Cycle log clean bulk first time Tren

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I’ve done cycles in the past without any issues, where I had 25% body fat and weighed 100kg. During those cycles, I took Test E at 250mg/week and Anadrol for 12 weeks and anavar in anothers (I have taken more orals), without needing any support during the cycle.

For this cycle, I want to try Tren A for the first time. To be honest, I have enough Trenbolone for another cycle like this one, but I want to see how it goes with this particular setup.

I’d like to know what you guys think of how I’ve structured this cycle and my PCT.
Notes before starting: I take HCG during the cycle to keep things functioning. -Also I always wondered if it can be mixed with the other compounds on the syringe
Regarding Aromasin: it’s a split pill, and the dose I take is based on the fact that I didn’t have any issues when I was at a higher body fat percentage.
Im taking Anavar to get me warmed up until Test C goes into full throttle by which point I drop Anavar and hop on Tren A
I also want to know If I missed anything that could offset side effects.
My specs:
27 male
84 kg
15% Body fat
180 cm

Diet: I eat clean no processed food, no oils (except for fish oil, some beef lard, and extra virgin olive oil). Egg whites, rice, oats, spinach, fish you get the picture.

Me being an autistic freak (which is also why I have been single for years), I use a scale and weigh all my food until I reach my target.

So, here are my macros for this bulk:
250g of protein
570g of carbs
100g of fats
Should amount to 4200 calories

Training:
Running everyday should burn around 900 calories
Gym 4 days a week
Wrestling 3 days a week

Cycle Breakdown​

  • Testosterone Cypionate:

    • Week 1-3: 300 mg/week

    • Week 4-12: 400 mg/week

    • Week 13-15: 250 mg/week (To ease into pct)

  • Trenbolone Acetate:

    • Week 3-12: 100 mg/week (divided into 2 injections per week)

  • HCG:

    • Week 3-15: 400 UI/week, reduced to 200 UI in Week 15.

  • Exemestane:

    • 6 mg/day throughout the cycle (Week 1-15), to manage estrogen levels.

  • Anavar:

    • Week 1-2: 20 mg/day

    • Week 13-15: 20 mg/day

PCT with MK-677​

  • Enclomiphene Citrate (12.5 mg/day): Taken for 6 weeks from Week 17 to Week 22.

  • MK-677 (20 mg/day): Taken daily for 6 weeks from Week 17 to Week 22 to improve recovery and prevent muscle loss.

I asked GPT to make this for me

Cycle

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I know your foods listed above won’t be the whole scope of your diet but I’m failing to see where you plan to get in 100g of fats, surely not from olive oil. Why egg whites and no whole eggs? On a bulk eggs would be nearly the first food choice on my list. What about beef too, get in some extra calories there from fattier cuts.

I’d like to know your nutrition plan ahead of your drug plan, I know that’s boring but from experience if you don’t have your foods dialed in then drugs can only go so far. Saying you plan on hitting 4200 calories is all well and good but I believe food choices matter.

It’d also be nice to see some current pics for the guys who are going to give drug advice but the usual on this forum is to not run tren unless you wish to compete.

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Need to pin ED or EOD.

Pic right after my surgery…

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Is the running for cardiovascular endurance ?

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I wasn’t asking for your pic Shaw but any reason to get the abs out huh! Looking good man, when was your surgery?

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Couple months ago. It wasn’t much of a surgery more so a procedure. I had a loop recorder put in for a genetic heart condition. Nothing structural, all electrical signaling issues. Even so, it’s just another reason I’m just a TRT guy these days.

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Hello sorry for the late reply my laptop got broken, I dont like to post pictures of myself online for privacy concerns (i have birth marks) I already compete but in contact sports

Regarding why i eat chicken breast, egg whites/egg whites powder, olive oil and lard -I have easy acess to it due to my job

In the mean time i spoke with a friend he told me i could do higher on protein and lower on carbs so i adjusted the diet it is has follows:

Breakfast
Egg white protein powder (60g)
Peanuts (50g)
Oats (100g)
Banana (100g)

MACROS:
Protein: 80g
Carbohydrates: 105g
Fat: 30g
Calories: 1020 kcal

Morning Snack
Chicken breast (200g)
Brown rice (90g uncooked)
Olive oil (15g)

MACROS:
Protein: 52g
Carbohydrates: 60g
Fat: 20.5g
Calories: 655 kcal

Lunch
squid (200g)
Sweet potato (150g raw)
spinach (100g)

MACROS:
Protein: 46g
Carbohydrates: 42.5g
Fat: 2.4g
Calories: 365 kcal

Afternoon Snack
Egg white protein powder (30g)
Peanuts (85g)
Low-fat quark cheese (100g)

MACROS:
Protein: 60g
Carbohydrates: 15.5g
Fat: 37.5g
Calories: 700 kcal

Dinner
Chicken breast (200g)
Brown rice (100g uncooked)
spinach (100g)
Olive oil (15g)

MACROS:
Protein: 56g
Carbohydrates: 69.5g
Fat: 21.4g
Calories: 735 kcal

Night Snack
Egg white protein powder (25g)
Peanuts (15g)

MACROS:
Protein: 26g
Carbohydrates: 3.3g
Fat: 6.25g
Calories: 180 kcal

Total for the Day:
Protein: 320g
Carbohydrates: 335g
Fat: 118g
Calories: 3960 kcal

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Yes the running is for cardiovascular endurance I do both slow and HIT

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In that case around 30mg per pin?

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I wouldn’t say you need more protein than the initial 250g you planned on using, I would go as far to say you could reduce it more, rule of thumb is 1g per lb of bodyweight. I’d personally aim for 200g from purely protein sources. If the protein you get is free because of your work then fair play but because it is the most expensive macro usually I’d say over 200g is excess. There is also the issue of protein being much more filling than simple carbs so I wouldn’t be reducing your carbs that much because they too are important for growth and tend to taste good. I like the plan you’ve posted but do you think it will be easy to get it down on a daily basis? Lots of slow acting carbs and also the high satiety you’ll get from 350g protein.

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There are much better choices for bulking than Tren. Much better. Nandrolone, EQ, or just run your test higher and add in GH.

I personally would never run Tren for bulking, there are a number of potential sides that can significantly reduce recovery and growth. The main problem is sleep. If you run into sleep issues you aint growing anyway. And of course it’s toxic and you can run a much longer cycle if you stay healthy and keep your blood mrkers in check with better compounds and grow more.

That being said, start P5P at 100mg per day, split am/pm for at least a few weeks before your cycle to get ahead of possible prolactin issues (must be done before adding tren as it won;t help once you’re already dealing with elevated prolactin). So you also need caber on hand. If you start haing prolactin sides run caber at .25mg 2x week and get bloods checked and rechecked… or even better drop the tren and use something else.

Sounds like you already have a good cardio and conditioning program. Tren will possibly have significant impact on your cardio so keep the cardio up.

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Also, drop the fucking HCG. Seriously, it’s not helping and will probably only add side effects and issues with E2.

And consider not doing PCT, if you really want to grow and commit to it then stick to maintenance periods where you drop to TRT or TRT plus. A lot of the health issues people experience is due to this idea that PCT is better or somehow more healthy than just dropping to TRT. It’s not. It wreaks havoc with your endocrine system.

ANd if someone tells you you need to “reset your androgen receptors” or some other ridiculous bullshit like that. Not true. Androgen receptors upregulate directly in accordance with more androgens in your system. Period. And there is constant turnover and development of new receptors daily.

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Like you noticed protein is really affordable for me so much so that I even started selling it to friends. When it comes to food I don’t mind eating the same thing every day as long as it’s optimizing my performance and nutrition.

For my calorie calculation: my basal metabolic rate (BMR) is 1900 calories, I burn around 900 from running, and about 400 from wrestling/gym. That adds up to 3200 calories. However, since AAS can increase metabolism by about 10% and potentially up to 20% with substances like trenbolone, that would bring my daily needs to between 3500 and 3850 calories. That’s why I aimed for 4200 calories.

To be honest I’m not too keen on gaining any more fat than necessary while doing this

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Sorry one more,

Preplanning your dosage and meal plan increases in advance is not as good as monitoring progress and adjusting when you need to. You have no idea how you will respond until you’re in the cycle.

Start on your initial dose and meal plan. Monitor bodyfat and weight. When weight stops increasing at your exepected rate increase calorie first. DO this in small amounts such as increase carbs the next week by 5-10% and bump your protein a little, keep fats as low as possible. When you can;t increase calories anymore and maintain lean mass increase without appreciabnle fat gain then bump your cycle dosages up a little.

No need to start a cycle with an oral and honestly I prefer to keep orals out of a bulk unless absolutely needed at the end to push through the last 2-4 weeks. Orals shine more in pre-contest when you;re less worried about the health impacts and appetitie/stomach issues. You don;t want that messing with your calorie intake during a bulk. I’d shift the var to the end only. Or better yet, run mast or primo instead.

I’m also not sure why you would use MK-677 to pct but you definitely don;t want something that’s going to make you hungry as fuck and not work nearly as well s GH when you drop all your hormones and finish a bulk in a sstate where being hungry already and used to eating more food than normal will likely end up with you gaining a shit ton of fat you didn’t want and feeling tired and worse while PCTing.

I rarely ever comment here but you seem to be dialed and on-point. I hope you have a good cycle and make great gains either way.

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I cant do Nandrolone that stuff takes 18 months to leave the body If I get tested Im out for years
I already take supplements daily including B6 and I only intend to start the cycle in two weeks. So I still have time to buy caber
Yes cardio is the scary thing for me like do people really get wrecked in this regard?

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yeah no worries, I have no issue with your calorie count, more just looking into the food choices. I would probably struggle with eating that much dense food and would certainly switch to white rice ahead of brown. however it’s all personal preference as to the food choices, if you can eat that much protein and not struggle by the end of the day to eat more then I’m probably jealous.

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Yes Tren will wreck most people’’s cardio.

If you can’t run NPP then look into EQ, Tren is still detectable (based on esther) for up to 5 months at least, EQ is around 6 months. EQ has the added benefit of potentially increasing your cardio capacity.

Or just run more test. Most people look at these other compounds like they’re magic and fail to understand how much we can get out of running higher test. and feeling better with less negative sides.

Also NPP is detectable for up to 9months, not nearly as long as Deca and it’s jsut as good, just have to dose ED/EOD due to shorter esther length.

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While its true that HCG can elevate E2 its also important to prevent complete testicular atrophy and function its its harder to restart them due to loss of sensitivity needing higher doses of HCG and others to restore function. But I understand where you come from considering you dont like PCTs for me its not an option I have seasons and cant be on gear year round neither be shutdown for 6 or 8 months

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I would still drop it on cycle, your testicles will be fine. Every single bodybuilder I know, many of them using for decades are still able to have kids and restart some amount of natty test production.

I went off completely with no PCT last year at all and within 3 months was back to 700ng/dl. Caveat there is I had >1000ng/dl naturally and it runs in my family. But the concern over atrophy is extremely over played especially if you’re just doing short cycles and PCT’ing.

Focus on the goal, cycle time is not time for HCG and it’s really not helping during that time, but that’s up to you. Just putting it out there.