Cutting Compound Questions

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I‘m asking for experience, not advice so please hold the „we needs your stats“ troll comments

I know how to train and I know how to diet

I blast and cruise and have done several bulking cycles, but I’ve never cut on AAS, at least not with cutting compounds, just my trt dose

I’d like to cut hard and just started on 350mg test propionate (50mg ED)

I’m looking to add something but I do a lot of hiit cardio and don’t want to lose my performance, hence my questions

I was thinking of adding 50mg of tren ace EOD, possibly mast prop at the same dose and 50mg winstrol ED

How bad is winstrol really in terms of sides?
Will I be able to train, especially hiit cardio on winny?
Does it cause cramps like tbol did for me?

How hard is tren on cardio at 175mg a week?

I’ve heard winstrol is better for maintaining / gaining muscle on a cut / recomp than anavar

I have also used anavar from 60-90 mg from a source I use and trust and it never did anything at all, visual or performance wise so I may be a non responder

I liked tbol on top of my trt on a cut but the cramps were bad for my cardio

Like I said, I’m not asking for cycle advice, just the experience and opinions of those who have actually used tren and winny so I hope this doesn’t become a flame war „we need photos to be able to say whether we’ve used these compounds or not“

Also I understand cutting is a matter of diet and cardio, just like bulking is, but there wouldn’t be cutting and bulking cycles if the compounds didn’t do anything so please, if you’ve actually used these compounds, I’d appreciate you sharing your experience and opinions

Thanks in advance

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Winstrol is not bad for me at all as long as you keep doses reasonable. I would add a joint supp.
Training HIIT on winstrol is fine. Prob even be improved.
I’ve never had cramps on winstrol
Tren will kill my cardio at almost any dose. I tend to limit cardio to treadmill walking at grade and add cardarine…

I usually use both for the last 4-5 weeks of a hard cut
Typically on a cut i would use low test, winstrol and anavar.
I have had luck using cardarine with tren to mitigate the reduced cardio.
Would only use tren on a contest prep. Otherwise not really needed IMO.

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Its not a troll. How do you recommend something to someone without knowing the least bit about them?

Yeah, agreed, but there is a difference. Cutting cycles are typically used by competitors that are already in peak shape compared to there gym rat counter part. We see a lot of guys with 20% BF wanting to do a cutting cycle. Thats a waste.

IMO the Test P you’re running is good enough. It will help keep your muscle wasting at bay but not negatively affect your performance. Then again, Tren is magical when it comes to showing muscle separation / development. Have you used it before?

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Thanks gentz

I haven’t necessarily heard of winny causing cramps but it’s an oral so I was just wondering

And I could probably handle taking a hit on my cardio for a few weeks on short ester tren, it’s not like I’m a competitive athlete

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When you say both winny and anavar, do you mean low test the whole time, adding one oral at the start and finishing with the other or doing like 25mg of each every day?

And if you are doing double orals, how long and how much of each?

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No, I’ve never use tren or winny

I like mast E, so I think I’d like mast P

I got nothing from anavar

And yes, it is trolling if you ask for a person‘s experience and they need your stats

I understand the need for stats, training history, gear history, etc if someone wants help building a cycle, but is it like if I bench 315 you’ve used winny but if I bench 405 you haven’t? If I squat 405 it caused you to cramp but if I squat 225 it didn’t?

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I am King Troll on T-Nation. That said, I would never help anyone with anything concerning AAS if I hadn’t watched them lift weights and have a good idea what they would look like on stage (if bodybuilding) or their strength (if powerlifting.) But on this forum, I don’t have that luxury. What I need from you is some description from you that helps answer what my eyes would easily see.

I have a few thoughts, but you won’t get them from me. That said, you have some pretty good comments to proceed.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, but it means something to you.

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I’m saying i have used winstrol and anavar together at the end of a competition prep for the last 5-6 weeks

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Cardarine def helps keep cardio in check if your willing to use it.
Otherwise you will know pretty quickly how far you can take cardio.

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I think we would have to agree to disagree. Trolling is not black or white and depends on the person. For me, to have my advice, you need some basic info. Otherwise, you’re not getting it so if thats trolling, so be it.

Regarding your needs, I think what you’re doing already is fine but if you just looks at supplier cut stacks they usually include Test P / Mast P / Tren A as one of the most popular. Kind of lack the classic Test C/E / Deca / Dbol mass stack. These are proven combos.

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Just this, and a low calorie diet. Nothing else really needed. You could throw in a DHT oral the last 6 weeks to really fill out and harden up, but we’d need to know your BF % now to advise on that, and you think that information is trolling, so … test is best, eat less, lose weight. Pretty simple.

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I don’t know why I’m feeding the trolls but here it goes

I haven’t asked for advice

I’ve used dbol, tbol, anavar, Anadrol and proviron

I’ve used deca, eq, test c test p test e and sust

I’m thinking of using winny and tren a for the first time so I wanted to know if winny caused cramps and tren at 175 mg would destroy my cardio

Why my stats affect your ability to tell me if these compounds caused you these problems I don’t understand

Either you ran them or not

If you ran them you had those sides or not

My stats have nothing to do with your personal experience

I don’t understand what you don’t understand rt nor do I care

Thank you to those who shared their experience with me

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I saw the anavar winny combo in your log from your first show prep on another forum

50 mg anavar and 50 winny for eight weeks straight is pretty hardcore

That’s the most I would use of either so I’m surprised you didn’t reduce the dosage to 25 or 30 of each but it looks like it worked out for you

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That’s the max i would use and usually only for 6 weeks but…

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That is sufficient for me.

We can agree on this too, but any recommendation to you, based on my experience, which includes more than just the effects of AAS on me, desires more information. I have seen more than my fair share of sinks in the last 56 years.

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It is what it is. I don’t compete but I’m sure guys who do have to push the envelope when it comes to dosages and time on

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Your question is valid, but it also begs the question of who should be using this or that during different phases of training. That is where stats have value. I get that it isn’t your question, but others are just trying to look out for you. I wouldn’t be too upset over that.

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Agreed @mnben87. Also certain drugs are more effective with different levels of leanness and muscle mass along with the goals for transforming.

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