Hello.
Now I’ve got a question about the TRT therapy…
Can someone tell me what is the best Test for TRT or can i use Sustanon for trt (125mg/week)?
Now I’m injecting once a week 0,5mg of sustanone(dose of 125mg) i am curious if it would be better to inject twice a week?
But then again it would be really small amount injected if twice a week.
Any good pointers on that anyone please?
Thank you in advance!
Best regards,
David
Sustanon is quite literally the worst thing to use for almost any application. If your goal is to achieve stable levels—which are critical on trt—then you’d inject the sustanon ed or at the least eod. It exists solely because testosterone could not be patented and drug companies needed a way to make a cheap drug more expensive. Organon figured out that they could take four non-patented esters of testosterone and put them together to make a patented blend. That’s it. That’s why it exists. It has zero benefit over single ester preparations.
Okey i understand a bit… But what i don’t get is why so often to inject if there is blend of test that is active 3-4 weeks…
Okey now thing is… I have only sustanon on hand and i have to wait about two months to get new gear due to corona…
So to do best of it just pinn twice a week of 0,25ml…like on cycle…
I can’t pinn eod is too much sornes as it is…
Ok when i get Enanthate… For trt pinn once or twice again?
Is the dosage okay with enanthate 125mg/week?
And what about now with sustanon should i leave it at the 125mg range or bump a bit?
Sorry for so many questioning but i was never cursing before…
I’m wery grateful for taking your time to help me out!
Thank you!
I am rather new to the forum and haven’t competed since the mid '90’s. It was our (the group that used AAS’s) belief that Sustanon was a superior testosterone because it contained esters with varying half-lives, so once a week on Sustanon would present a flatter release curve than a testosterone with a single half-life ester.
I only used Sustanon on a couple of cycles, but didn’t notice any significant performance drop on those cycles. (I did four cycles a year for about 3 decades)
When did it become commonly known that Sustanon was an inferior testosterone?
I assume you meant “cruising”.
If so, how did you go about determining you need to cruise?
Some men notice fluctuations more than others. I probably could run sust just fine as I don’t seem to be bothered much by fluctuations. For the men that are sensitive, the blend of esters can make their levels not very steady. If you inject a big dose infrequently, that prop in sust will cause a big spike, with a drop before the other stuff kicks in.
If you take a relatively long estered test like E or C and pin it at least 2X a week, the levels will be more steady than with sust. You could plot out the different esters of sust and add them together to see how stable it is, versus E or C.
Sust can work well in certain situations. For someone who refuses to pin frequently for TRT, it can be a good option. The doses and frequency need to be in a certain range for it to be a good option IMO.
Yes i meant cruising…
Well the thing is… I was prescribed trt when i was in Germany, but now I’m back in my country and i don’t want to go to a doctor, because i would have to drop the test for a month or two so they would make tests, and i can’t afford to be like a zombie for that long…
They don’t want to consider the German papers for trt, they say they have to do tests anyway…
That’s why I’m asking for opinions to do the best of it
Okay i understand… So as i said before i have to wait a couple of months to get my new gear(only susta on hand)
SUSTA 250mg
100mg Test Decanoate
60mg Test phenylpropionate
60mg Test Isocaproate
30mg Test propionate
So should i just go twice a week at 0.25mg or once 0.5mg?
Allways gets a little bit of liquid out of the pinnpoint so…
Or do i bump up or something?
Honest answer? The absolute first minute someone bothered to think through how the esters would unwind in a human body.
It’s less noticeable when you’re using supraphysiological doses and when you’re aiming for performance. When you’re using it for trt it is very noticeable. Margin for error is significantly wider with a cycle vs a true trt protocol, at least for most guys.
Sustanon 500mg once weekly:
Test cyp 500mg once a week:
Don’t feel bad, guys are still paying more for sustanon because the story they’re told is too good to bother verifying.
Which calculator are you using that has sust? Mine only has single esters.
The one I use looks identical too.
Steroid plotter. And it doesn’t have sust, I have to manually input the values of each single ester. It’s kind of a pain in the ass.
In case you ever need the blend breakdown here it is:
Sustanon 250 contains
30mg Propionate
60mg Phenylpropionate
60mg Isocaproate
100mg decanoate
Ah, I didn’t realize you could add compounds. Also nice that it lumps the testosterone together. I did one with Test with Tbol at the end. Learned something new today.
Congrats, isn’t as easy here haha
How was the process?
I can’t even get hormonal tests done here. (Maybe because I’m under 30 though)
Honestly…
Well i f***ed my Achse with unersponsible steroid use… And having to little knowledge about them…
So i told my doc what the thing was because i felt shitty for a long time after droping gear, so he send me to do some bloodwork(self payd) and so i got my prescription then… Didn’t even complicate too much except i should be more responsible etc…
Maybe helped a bit becouse he was cool… Not some odl fart just tired of his job…
But… In my country the German papers are not valid…
P. S.
Guys… What if i cruise at 250mg/week of susta?
Never considered that dose but would that be too much then
Well… my best guess is that you would most definitely be at the upper limit, if not considerably over it.
This happens to me. If I get a blood test the day after an injection of 100mg of test cyp, my Total T was 1300+ ng/dL. My doctor says the dosage is too high. If I get my blood test the morning before my next injection, my Total T is between 500-750 ng/dL. My doctor says my dosage is perfect. I take 100mg test cyp every 5 days (it is for TRT).
Hello again…
If someone is still following this topic…
Well i ran a cycle of tren/test and I am on a low carb diet. Now i ended the cycle but didn’t come to the results i wanted, so i think going on with the low carb diet.
Now what I’m interested in is if i will lose muscle if i keep pushing the diet… Considering I’m on TRT 120mg Test C/week.
Thanks for any advice!
Regards
What were the results you wanted?
What were the results you achieved?
It’s smart of you to think your diet is likely to blame, but “low carb” doesn’t mean much; how many calories are you eating and your macro breakdown?
What is your height, weight, bodyfat % and training regime/style/history?
Also, pictures of your physique would help: front relaxed, back relaxed, front double biceps, back double biceps; be sure to include your legs. Feel free to edit out your face for anonymity purposes.
Yes, sorry about that… Here are my stats;
Age 29
Height 5’74 ft (175cm)
Weight 187lb (85kg)
So my results were to get 6 pack shredded, but since i was strugling with the diet at the beginning i only achieved to become so to say 4 pack barely and the upper smaller are visible (8pack)…
My diet looks like this…
Kcal per day- 2200-2500max
Protein about 210-250g
Fat (mostly good 70%±) 80-100g
Carbs only from veggies, no rice or anything
The intake of food depends on the training intensity/free day.
I train mostly 5day per week intense
So now the last 3 weeks when i actually achieved my goal diet(before i was strugling without carbs) i was getting the results, but it was to late in the cycle.
What I’m interested in is if i keep my diet as it is, will my muscle stay due to the 120mg Test C TRT that I’m on every week or will i lose muscle now because of too low calorie intake?
Because of tren it wasnt an issue, but how does it looks like now when I’m only cruising…
Thanks for any help!
How intense were you able to train without any carbs? Just curius
Just curius eh…? 
I say simple… On cycle mostly the same as without… Now it’s getting a bit down but not much noticable(maybe 10%)… Only repetitions not the weights… (off tren) …
