Hi!
I have been on cruise for 7 months with 200mg of pharmacy cypionate. I plan to add more test or include deca in small doses (50/100mg) to try to get more gains.
I had no collateral problems with the test during this period. What do you think is better: 400mg cypionate/week or 200mg cypionate+50/100mg deca/week?
I’m 177cm, 210lbs and 7% pollock body fat (9,15% faulkner). my goal is between bulking and cutting, being able to maintain BF and be at 220/225lbs. My exams are all ok, just lowered iron, which I’m supplementing and will have to do therapeutic bloodletting to adjust hematocrit. testosterone gave me zero negative side effects. I started with an aromatase inhibitor, weaned and stopped.
so you basically dont want to cheat on a girl but fuck every girl you like…
as do we all…as do we all…
pointless unrealistic goal.
anyways, when you decide WHAT you want, you can just experiment… on paper - low dose test + low dose deca is good… but some people react very well on test…
i tried low dose test and low dose tren… all i got was depression from tren…
Okay so to start, you aren’t 7% or 9% BF, but you may be 15% - either way, it’s an irrelevant number.
You will need to BULK to be at 220-225lbs, and also lean out after. You won’t be building muscle while maintaining leanness. That this needs to be explained makes it a bit questionable if AAS is the right route for you at the moment, but that isn’t my choice to make.
As for AAS, less is always better. If you did fine on just Test, then you should stick with just test until it stops working. Adding in more shit just gives you more shit to deal with.
a year ago, i was 50lbs more, i am obese ex. a lot of skin, but I do 45/45 day evaluations and also bioimpedance. fat is the same.
about diet and training: I have professional support.
my idea is swag now to fill this skin.
The question is: 400mg test or 200mg test 100mg deca for my objective?
This is also inaccurate, but again the actual BF% is pretty irrelevant.
Your end goal of weighing a certain amount is flawed, because you might be physically incapable of putting on that much muscle… Being this height, you would be in the absolute upper echelon of genetics to put on that much muscle. For example, King Kamali was 178cm and 225lbs:
As for AAS, the best protocol is always the safest one. If you had no sides with Test, then sticking with test is probably your best bet.
Five years ago: 200 mg of cipio and 40 mg of oxane.
I am now 7/8 months on 200mg of cipio.
I believe test cipio 400mg Pharma grade is ok for objective, but the opinion of you is very important!!
I would just start out on the 400mg/week of test and make as much progress as you can. Deca/NPP is a lot harsher with a lot more side effects.
I’d also get your diet straightened out because if you can’t gain without drugs you won’t gain with drugs. Ask me how I know
IMO, try 8 weeks at 400mg/wk test cypionate, then cruise back on 200mg/wk for 8 weeks. Then try 8 weeks of 200mg/wk test cypionate plus 200mg/wk deca. See which gives the best results. I would bet on the 200mg/wk deca.
I know that I am in the minority, but I believe the rate of gains drop 6 to 7 weeks into a cycle. I believe cycling 8 weeks. I have stated my reasons elsewhere in other threads, in that I believe our AAS binding sites harden to the steroids and need a rest to recover. Then hit it again for 8 weeks. I have no science to back it up, just 3 decades of experience taking AAS’s.
Problem with this experiment is that he would have already put on considerable muscle and weight during the first part (8 weeks of cyp).
His gains will likely be diminished during the second part of the experiment (200 cyp + deca) since he already edged towards his maximum potential in the first phase. So this could lead him to a logical fallacy that smaller dose of test combined with deca yields less gains when in fact if he did it the other way around his gains would be the same or even greater.
Not to be rude but from what I read here 200mg of test + some anavar is not really considered a true cycle. It’s something most would take to maintain gains while dieting.
In your case I would just do the “beginner’s cycle” of 500mg of test per week for 12-16 weeks and see what you get from that.
Also, everyone is right: you are either building muscle and gaining weight (along with some fat) or you’re losing weight (along with some muscle and fat).
In order to maintain weight and gain lean muscle without gaining fat is nearly impossible without the use of some harsh drugs which you, I and 99% of everybody else aren’t prepared or ready for.
Pick your goal, map out your training and diet plan and stick to it.
Btw, how old are you if I may ask? Sorry if I missed it somewhere.
Im 30 years old. I may be talking nonsense, but I believe that to build muscle I need more drugs. for cutting, oxan and low dose test are enough with training and diet.
That is a valid point, but I think that stacking test and deca is a much better cycle than just doubling the test. So much so, that it will find gains that test only won’t. I could very well be wrong.
Once I started using test I always stacked it with an anabolic injection and an anabolic oral. But that is just me.
