Cressey's 635 Deadlift Form

You’re very weak aren’t you?

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
There is a whole contingent of people who believe, in effect, that “you can’t perform a heavy lift with bad form”.

If someone manages to lift a heavy weight, this is taken as de facto evidence that their form is “good” – otherwise, they wouldn’t be pulling or pushing that much weight.

There’s nothing wrong with that argument, except when it turns into pure, unadulterated hypocrisy. I.e. when a “skinny person” uses the exact same form to move a less-impressive weight, and is immediately descended upon by legions of haters.

There are obviously two very different definitions of “form” being used. The problem is that they are often used interchangably, with people switching their definitions whenever they find it convenient.

The conventional definition of form is, “performing the exercise in a way that stresses the intended aspects of the musculature or trains the intended movement patterns without a significant risk of acute injury”.

Heaving 600 pounds off the floor with a rounded back is an OBVIOUS violation of “proper form” (as defined above), but you would be hard pressed to get a single meathead to admit it. That is because of the double standard put into play when “big lifts” are involved.

As I mentioned earlier, the definition of “proper form” changes suddenly and arbitrarily under these circumstances.

No longer is it about safety – “proper form” is now only concerned with putting up big numbers. That is why every pro lifter who does something that, if replicated by an ordinary person with a proportional weight, could seriously injury them, becomes totally justified by the online iron crowd.

The meathead mantra has always been:

“Don’t you dare criticize someone who’s bigger than you”

At the same time, they preach that the biggest among us usually have genetics to thank the most for the size, and should therefore NOT be listened to. More hypocrisy? You betcha.

Fact is, contradictions abound in the iron game because meatheads just aren’t capable of thinking through arguments to their logical conclusion.

Duh.[/quote]

[quote]tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it do you. A newbie lifting something with bad form is very different than someone lifting a heavy load with what some would term bad form. There are anatomical differences between people where differences in form actually are a helpful thing.
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Yup. And a newbie training every day with bad form is worse than an advanced lifter that lets his form slip while doing an occasional max.

True, an advanced lifter doing a max is like a drag racer. They are pushing the limits and have done enough to know the risks. they also have the seasoning were it is not as risky as a newbie’s injury.

My strength is down a little now, but at my best I could squat over 600 and deadlift int he mid 500s. Every year or so i strain or pull my back. I’m normally lifting a week later. Part of the reason I come back so quick is that I’ve built up a lot of strength and muscle over the years that helps to protect me.

As for a rounded back, many of the best deadlifts do that. Vince Anello did about 800 at 198 and had the same issue. I’ve seen other big number deadlifters use a rounded back. It works for them due to there natural build.

800 at 198 is impressive with a rounded back. 275 done that way means you’re still weak and are not lifting properly. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand that. Unless you’re still lifting at super jr. weenie hut.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
tom63 wrote:
You really don’t get it do you. A newbie lifting something with bad form is very different than someone lifting a heavy load with what some would term bad form. There are anatomical differences between people where differences in form actually are a helpful thing.

Yup. And a newbie training every day with bad form is worse than an advanced lifter that lets his form slip while doing an occasional max.[/quote]