[quote]BigRedMachine87 wrote:
Body building doesn’t kill people.
Creatine kills people.[/quote]
Bulking kills people.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
This.
CS[/quote]
Yep, pretty much.
fwiw, i enjoy the creatine from Biotest.
i like to mix it with grape juice
[quote]IronBP wrote:
I thought I would post a link to an article I found:
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/WrestlingandCreatine.htm
I know, I know…ha ha ha I’m stupid for reading an article that references scientific literature on the subject. You’ll note that the article is from 2000, which is about the time frame where I stopped lifting. I came to this forum because I had assumed that there’s probably a better understanding of the potential side effects and the proper usage of the supplement. I’ve noticed that there are some pretty knowledgable and helpful people here.
Again, since some of you who are calling me stupid clearly have reading comprehension problems of your own, I am not arguing. All I stated was that the scientific community of 12 years ago believed that there were dangers while using the supplement. I am curious as to what information has come out since then.
Does anyone have any additional background about what has been discovered since then? Any links? I think some of the information I recently found is still pretty old. ie They stil recommend loading and cycling. I’ve since learned that the loading isn’t neccessary anymore, but this thread is the first I’ve heard about no need for cycling.
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… So your grand defense is referencing a 12 year old article from a totally non-scientific paper that references ONE case of a wrestler trying to dump FIFTEEN POUNDS IN A DAY written by an UNDERGRAD PSYCHOLOGY student?
Hold on, wait, I’ve got to get popcorn…
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Okay I’m back. This should be fun.
[quote]IronBP wrote:
I thought I would post a link to an article I found:
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/WrestlingandCreatine.htm
I know, I know…ha ha ha I’m stupid for reading an article that references scientific literature on the subject. You’ll note that the article is from 2000, which is about the time frame where I stopped lifting. I came to this forum because I had assumed that there’s probably a better understanding of the potential side effects and the proper usage of the supplement. I’ve noticed that there are some pretty knowledgable and helpful people here.
Again, since some of you who are calling me stupid clearly have reading comprehension problems of your own, I am not arguing. All I stated was that the scientific community of 12 years ago believed that there were dangers while using the supplement. I am curious as to what information has come out since then.
Does anyone have any additional background about what has been discovered since then? Any links? I think some of the information I recently found is still pretty old. ie They stil recommend loading and cycling. I’ve since learned that the loading isn’t neccessary anymore, but this thread is the first I’ve heard about no need for cycling.
[/quote]You made a newbie mistake here. You read an article on fitness by a woman and took it for fact.
Still, much more people have died from overdoses of plain water or lack of it…
“… So your grand defense…”
Uh, no. The peanut gallery on this thread seemed shocked that I would think that creatine lead to the deaths of some athletes who used creatine. I very clearly explained that I had not been involved in the sport for over a decade which is why I came to this internet forum to ask questions about the substance. I was then told on this very internet forum that I went to to find information, that I should use the internet to find information.
So I did, and that was the article I found which I thought did a pretty good job of a) explaining why I had misconceptions about the products liabilities (as we ALL did 12 years ago…it was still fairly new to the industry) and b) why a simple google search won’t simply bring up the results that said members suggested that it would.
Now I would like to add the following. Some people on this board have been very helpful and seem to be fairly knowledgeable which is why I wade through a lot of this BS to get the information I need. However, as I explained to someone earlier, I’m no spring chicken when it comes to internet forums and I must say that the level of intelligence on this one isn’t very impressive.
What do I mean by that? Well, what I mean is that people can’t seem to follow a train of thought if they have to read more than a sentence or two. Let me predict the response → “Well yer dumb 'cause you thought creatine kills people and that you need to cycle it.” Again most people in the industry thought that when I stopped lifting. There were articles in journals and magazines all over the place that pointed toward these potential risks. When you leave the sport for over a decade and return, no matter how smart you are you aren’t going to know the newest information until you research it…WHICH IS WHAT I WAS DOING IN THIS THREAD.
If I have learned anything, its that weight lifters aren’t nearly as dumb and insecure as most people seem to think. {= ^ P
(again, big thanks to those of you who have truly been helpful).
[quote]Obisidian wrote:
[quote]IronBP wrote:
I thought I would post a link to an article I found:
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/WrestlingandCreatine.htm
I know, I know…ha ha ha I’m stupid for reading an article that references scientific literature on the subject. You’ll note that the article is from 2000, which is about the time frame where I stopped lifting. I came to this forum because I had assumed that there’s probably a better understanding of the potential side effects and the proper usage of the supplement. I’ve noticed that there are some pretty knowledgable and helpful people here.
Again, since some of you who are calling me stupid clearly have reading comprehension problems of your own, I am not arguing. All I stated was that the scientific community of 12 years ago believed that there were dangers while using the supplement. I am curious as to what information has come out since then.
Does anyone have any additional background about what has been discovered since then? Any links? I think some of the information I recently found is still pretty old. ie They stil recommend loading and cycling. I’ve since learned that the loading isn’t neccessary anymore, but this thread is the first I’ve heard about no need for cycling.
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… So your grand defense is referencing a 12 year old article from a totally non-scientific paper that references ONE case of a wrestler trying to dump FIFTEEN POUNDS IN A DAY written by an UNDERGRAD PSYCHOLOGY student?
Hold on, wait, I’ve got to get popcorn…
…
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Okay I’m back. This should be fun.
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[quote]Mr. Troll wrote:
Still, much more people have died from plain water or lack of it…[/quote]
Excellent point! There are very clearly inherent risks when drinking water which means that water can be dangerous if used improperly. One can die from both dehydration OR hyponutremia, so its important that one educates themselves on the use of water if planning to take abnormal amounts.
Before an Ironman event they actually weigh you before the race so that if you end up in the med tent they’ll be able to way you again to find out if you’ve lost too many fluids, or if you have consumed too much.
I was curious as to what the latest news was on the use of creatine.
Just curious, why didn’t you search T-Nation first before making this thread?
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
Just curious, why didn’t you search T-Nation first before making this thread?[/quote]
In all seriousness I find it easier just to ask. In the olden days we had to rely on a card catalogue at the library, then we got the internet and search engines. Now with social networking we have forums where you simply ask a question and if the topic has already been beaten to death, usually someone just posts a link to the thread.
The downside, of course, is wading through the insults if you hit a nerve or two. But seriously, do you think I’m bothered by it? I was called stupid by a bunch of people because I admitted that I’ve not been involved in the sport for over a decade, posted the information based on what was a major concern at the time I was active, and then asked the forum members questions about it.
I’ve been active on about 10 different forums, one of which I have over 16,000 posts on. These guys here don’t know anything about me, but lets just say that my academic, professional, and athletic background doesn’t leave me begging for the approval of a bunch of turds who get their jollies by writing inciting one line quips like “face palm” and posting cute pictures to mock me for asking a question.
Some people see these as a place to share information. Others see it as a dick measuring contest. What’s sad is that most of them are adults.
; ^ )
You found it easier to create a new thread than read on whats already been discussed? Anyway, i hope you found what you were looking for.
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
You found it easier to create a new thread than read on whats already been discussed? Anyway, i hope you found what you were looking for.[/quote]
Yep. Just like I’m sure you didn’t search looking for a thread about how IronBP prefers to find information on a forum before asking me, I don’t usually search every topic I have a question about before starting a thread. If my question pisses someone off for some bizzare reason, I don’t lose any sleep over it.
Different strokes for different folks. I find it easier to ask.
Actually I found a lot more than I was looking for. Thanks.
A lot of people used to cycle it because they thought it lost effectiveness.
You see a weight and performance increase when you first start taking it. After the first jump, it all slows down because you’ve peaked your reserves. Guys used to stop taking it for a while and then start back up to get that boost again, but in truth, they were loosing some size and performance and just going back to where they would have been if they hadn’t stopped taking it.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A lot of people used to cycle it because they thought it lost effectiveness.
You see a weight and performance increase when you first start taking it. After the first jump, it all slows down because you’ve peaked your reserves. Guys used to stop taking it for a while and then start back up to get that boost again, but in truth, they were loosing some size and performance and just going back to where they would have been if they hadn’t stopped taking it.
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That’s interesting. Thanks.
Nevermind, issue well covered at this point.
[quote]lumbahjack wrote:
I just had to[/quote]
Bahaha classic.
Creatine never improved performance or size for me. Perhaps eating red meat daily had something to do with it.