Initial reports are there no deaths from Omricon for the moment. This I believe is exactly how we got over the flu pandemic. The virus mutated so much that in the end it was not as deadly. Even the delta was no at as deadly as the alfa.
By that logic should we take precautious and proactive methods such as vaccine mandates and lockdowns, when evidence clearly shows that the vaccine is very poor against transmission and protection. I dont think so.
I agree with being proactive, but i still think it would be by far to everyoneâs benefit to actually know what the fuck these guys are talking about before raising the flags. Proactivity is fine, but you shouldnt declare a hurricane every time it rains either. Letâs just call this âresponsible proactivityâ so we can avoid the fear mongering⊠This would also dim down the claims of âpoliticsâ by the critics.
But they wonât do that.
Never been a huge fan of South Park, but this nails it⊠lol
There is a flaw in this thinking. The argument, and Iâm not saying I agree or disagree with it, is that if you donât get vaccinated you do indeed affect others so it isnât just about your body. If someoneâs kids are not vaccinated, at all, other parents might have an issue with them going to school with their children, for example.
Abortion does not affect anyone but the person getting the abortion. It is not a disease and it is not contagious. Now, someone will ask, âwhat about the fetus?â That is getting into a debate on abortion which is not relevant here as I am simply stating the arguments which show how you can believe in abortion rights and vaccine mandates without being inconsistent in in your reasoning.
I sincerely disagree. The people who are âvaccinatedâ have already been protected, so arguments saying the unvaccinated are still a threat is misplaced. People who are pro abortion rights for the argument of âmy body, my choiceâ ought to be on the same side of the aisle as people who are anti vaccine mandates. And people who are pro vaccine mandates ought to be on the same side of the aisle as the anti-abortion crowd. The argument is specifically about the rights of oneâs body and never should have been taken out of that context.
You writing this off as ânot applicableâ is also misplaced.
I am against mandates that involve what someone does with their body. Whether it be abortion, vaccinations, drinking, suicide, drugs, seat belts, steroids, IDGAF - the government should have no say in what someone does with their own body. It doesnât mean i approve of these things, i just dont approve of the government telling you what you can and cannot do.
If you are concerned with risks revolving around Covid-19, then get vaccinated as many times as you see fit - i truly do not care. But telling ME and anyone else that I have to get vaccinated, is an abuse of power justified only by fear.
Literature and studies show the Covid âvaccinesâ are pretty good at doing what they were designed to do, so why donât we trust that and simply protect yourself if you feel you need it. If the concern is still there after being vaccinated because the unvaxxed are a perceived threat, then why do you suddenly not trust the vaccine anymore?
Not everyone can get vaccinated.
This is a very small percent of people, and that can obviously be resolved with wearing a mask, no?
But they donât see vaccines as analogous to abortion for the reasons given. Schools have had vaccine requirements for years so this is not something new. I have to have my cat vaccinated against rabies even though he never goes outside. My cat but not my choice. The same with my dog who does go outside but with me. The odds of him getting bitten by an infected animal are lower than getting sick from Covid but my dog, not my choice.
Thatâs because rabies, once transmitted to humans, has an almost 0% survivability rate if it isnât caught soon enough, and because your cat, dog, whatever cant come up to you and say âyo man, i got bit by this squirrel outside - it was foaming at the mouthâ. Your children should be able to say âsomeone was really sick in my class todayâ thoughâŠ
My cat doesnât go outside. My dog doesnât run around loose. The government says I have to do it. Mitigating factors donât matter. My point being, mandates are nothing new.
Youâre right. We should blindly follow new ones and question nothing about them ever. Not even if Trump is in office.
We can question this specific mandate without talking about mandates in general. Itâs one thing to say the government shouldnât force me to get this specific vaccine for whatever reasons specific to this vaccine but another to just say my body my choice.
What has lead you to the conclusion that itsâ YOUR body, the GOVERNMENTâS choice?
I havenât made that conclusion.
SARS-CoV-2 infects human adipose tissue and elicits an inflammatory response consistent with severe COVID-19 | bioRxiv
Huh, imagine that.
DISCLAIMER: Article is still awaiting peer review.
Whew, good thing Iâm body positive and love my fat. 100% Covid proof.
This is not what my logic dictates. I said my government normally takes itâs cues from the WHO, which means they took action 2-4 weeks too late since Delta was already circulating at an exponential rate in the South Asian region and the WHO didnât sound the alarms early enough.
Iâm going to keep this very simple here:
Hereâs the reality about mandates and lockdowns. If your government is willing to enforce them, theyâre going to do it REGARDLESS of how much you disagree with them and whine on the internet unless you vote them out. Israel and South Korea held their elections last year during the lockdowns and the incumbents won IIRC (I could be wrong).
Hence, the discussion here is about how the taskforce of such a government should handle these situations. If your government is the kind that says âfuck it, let everyone develop herd immunity without vaccinations or lockdownsâ, then clearly we are not discussing them.
If such a government takes a proactive stance, i.e, preventing the rate of increase in cases early with less restrictions, there wouldnât a need for more severe restrictions.
Even with regards to vaccines, regardless of whether you believe they are effective or not, the optimal waiting time between doses for the 2 mRNA ones was supposed to be 2 months. Again, this is not about what your personal beliefs are. They could be fucking saline shots for all I care. The point Iâm making here is that several governments that decided vaccinations were the way out decided to rush this and decreased it to 1 month despite the guidelines that stated a longer time frame between shots would lead more antibodies being produced.
I agree with this. Iâve not been following the news in the US that much, but since I have one foot in the media in my industry, I do know that if you overdo the fear mongering, people will not trust you anymore. Itâs similar to what happened with the MSM continuously dissing Trump for the most stupid, minute things for viewership leading to the emerging of alternative media. Alternative media isnât a bad thing in itself. Itâs the nonsense the major ones spout, also for viewership, that I think is a problem but I do not have a problem with them existing, nor do I believe in the government censoring them.
I honestly have no idea about everything Fauci has been saying about Omicron and Iâve not even bothered to follow the âgain-of-functionâ issue much since the latter is pretty common from what I understand and Iâm more interested in whatâs going on in my region.
And what was with the fucking thing about experimenting on monkeys for contagious diseases? Why was it even a big deal in alternative media? I thought anyone old enough to know that Santa Clause doesnât exist would know that they use monkeys and rats for such purposes. The controversy in the past about the use of non-human primates for such purposes was about APES, NOT FUCKING MONKEYS, because there were several studies that purportedly showed that APES might possess some human-like level of consciousness. And why was having the lab on a separate island even a thing? Itâs not fucking Guantanamo Bay. If you are dealing with contagious diseases, it makes perfect sense to do it offshore or a lab leak may occur which might start a worldwide pandemic LMFAO. For anyone who watches any channel that made a fucking big deal out of this, please understand that this reflects on how fucking stupid the content creator thinks YOU are and it would be in your best interests to stop watching said channel simply based on such an explicit insult to your intellect.
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Sorry, the last part was just a rant I had been wanting to get off my chest for days lol. Nothing to do with this discussion.
The problem with the main stream media became that their journos are in the social circles with the people they cover. Back in the days your journos were regular people, nowadays Cuomo gets 6 mil per year and is the brother of the other Cuomo. That is an extreme example to picture the example. But as Corey Taylor from Slipknot screms in Eyeless " You cant see California without Marlon Brandonâs eyes". You cant expect a journo Marlon Brandon to cover Marlon Brandon.
By the way sick song from Slipknot for people thwt like hard stuff.
But he isnât a journalist.
Taylor got that from a homeless person. And given Brandoâs relationship with Hollywood, I donât get the point of bringing him up. The guy preferred to live on an island he bought and refused an Oscar.
Do you beleive he did because of the vaccine?