try and be as active as your joints allow also, because apparently that decreases the pain.
You have to be optimistic about the future. Once gene therapy and stem cells take off in a few years, there are gonna be some major breakthroughs in medicine. They’re already curing severe cases of Rheumatoid Arthritis and other autoimmune diseases using stem cell transplants.
Until the cure or a very effective treatment comes along, you should do everything in your power to prevent any further damage to your joints.
There’s 120 clinical trials going on right now for osteoarthritis.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I struggle to understand your point of view. You are contemplating killing yourself due to this disease, yet you are worried about possible insulin resistance caused by something that might alleviate your symptoms? WTF? I think you need to reassess your priorities.
I’m not judging you here - I reserve the right to end my own life if and when I consider my quality of life to be undergoing irreversable negative changes, but you can be DAMN SURE that I will have investigated and tried EVERY possiblility to counteract those changes before I permit myself to leave gracefully.
bushy[/quote]
I was getting ready to post the same thought as above, but damn… bushy did a better job than I could have hoped to do. Nicely put, because it is almost incomprehensible to worry about insulin sensitivity when there is something out there that could be a benefit to a problem that is causing you to seriously consider taking your own life.
Maybe it’s just me, but whenever I see any mention of suicide and depression and all that I always have the same question: How is being dead any better?
I have been where you are and I can tell you suicide is not the answer.
You said you don’t want to go on any meds and neither did I until I almost lost my wife and son over my anger and depression. Losing your family is not worth your pride. Seek professional help, thoughts of suicide are not normal. Even some counseling with an experienced therapist can help you see something you may be missing.
My father and my uncle and my aunt all committed suicide and it makes me pause everytime I think about it, but if you are clinically depressed you are not thinking straight and you may start thinking that suicide is a viable and rational option. it is not.
Depression is a disease and some diseases need to be medicated, especially one that is potenially life-threatening and depression many times ends in death.
Again, please seek professional help, it doesn’t mean you have to go on the meds, weigh the options, try some therapies, some counseling, whatever it takes.
Age doesn’t matter, 23 or 83 it is still too young to take your own life.
I hate to be the forever optimist (it just isn’t me) but everyday does bring a new perspective, a new challenge and a new opportunity and may be something to live for.
Having said all that…to actually answer your question, yes. The thought of losing my family, an irreconcilable split from my wife, an ugly divorce would probably put me over the edge.
[quote]tonyclifton wrote:
Maybe it’s just me, but whenever I see any mention of suicide and depression and all that I always have the same question: How is being dead any better?[/quote]
tony it’s not like you have a bad day and think ‘shit I’m a off myself’
it’s when bad days turn into bad weeks and it’s like you dried up inside, life you feel nothing but hopelessness
I remember I had a crushing depression a year ago and seriously to God I couldn’t even watch tv, I remember ‘bourne idendity’ was playin on tv and it’s a movie I enjoy but I couldn’t focus on it it was like I was so drowning in despair everything was just fucked up it didn’t even matter
but you know the great/bad thing about life is that nothing lasts long. happiness and depression come and go and has sum1 said ‘this too shall pass’
anyways stay away from shrinks and drugs , you gotta find the strenght in yourself if you wanna survive
[quote]Raziel wrote:
but you know the great/bad thing about life is that nothing lasts long. happiness and depression come and go and has sum1 said ‘this too shall pass’
anyways stay away from shrinks and drugs , you gotta find the strenght in yourself if you wanna survive
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Sometimes, you need help to find the strength within yourself. There is no weakness in seeking help. I don’t think drugs are always the answer, but huslinbriks should definitely see a pro.
+1 on the top paragraph, that is too true. Except the bad times seem to stick around for longer than they are welcome.
You are in a tough situation and I think everyone on this thread is trying to offer the best advice they can.
Many years ago my perspective on things were changed greatly after seeing how the children @ St. Jude Children’s hospital in Memphis face their illness and life and death.
If you have an opportunity to visit such an organization and talk to kids and parents it’s possible that you could change your mindset. I’ve never seen such strength, determination and positive attitudes in the face of illness and death. And these are all innocent children.
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
Suicide is a mortal sin in God’s eyes, so I think you definitely end up in Hell. I’m no theologist, though, but I think that’s how it goes.
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
In Christian Faith, life is the greatest gift given to a human being. To take that life and end it is seen as the greatest sin.
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
Say He did. Say you went. Aren’t you already burning with pain now? So if you are going to deal with suffering what is the point of going somewhere completely unknown? Do it here and do it now.
At least on this side of hell there is always T-Nation.
Drive, baby, drive.
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
well that would be the ultimate irony, like commiting suicide to end your suffering and then go to hell to suffer even more…
you gotta understand something about the Bible/religion it has been distorted as hell during the middle ages in europe
the priest would say ’ you commit suicide and you go to thell ’ to the broke ass farmers so they wouldn’t end their miserable lifes coz the rich nobles and country lords needed cheap labour
and one thing one has to think about, Jesus knew he was going to be crucified and die, he knew it so much that he had doubts. When he asked Judas to betray him and the last supper he knew how everything was going to play
He knew when he was delivered to the romans/jews for judgement it was kinda like commiting suicide so think about it
I don’t like the fact that you are ignoring the great advice you have been given and are focusing on questions related to suicide.
Look. Suicide is something you can do later… there is no rush.
Before even bothering to look into it, devote your time and attention to the good advice given to you. Don’t give up without trying. Talk to some people. Get professional assistance to help you deal with this issue.
Do it now! Leave this depressed focus on suicide and start looking for positives instead of allowing your depression to focus you completely on negatives.
You’ve heard the phrase, it’s hard to keep a good man down? Well, you appear to be down… now get yourself the hell back up! Sure, it’s hard, it’s work, you have some large obstacles to overcome, but yes, you really can do it. Start exerting your will… instead of being overwhelmed by your situation.
Don’t continue to discount your ability to fight this!
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
It depends on the faith, actually. The Catholic Church (contrary to popular belief) does not state that suicide dooms you to eternal damnation or that you cannot have a Catholic funeral if you commit suicide.
According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
“We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.”
But please please PLEASE keep in mind that given the above, most religions still take an incredibly strong stance against suicide (for pretty obvious reasons). One of the earlier passages from the same Catechism is:
“Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him.
It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life.
We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls.
We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us.
It is not ours to dispose of.”
But this doesn’t need to turn into some religious debate for you to understand there are just so many other options open to you besides this route. I really hope you look into them and soon.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
My babysitters oldest son was “found dead” about 2 weeks ago.
They had a closed casket.
He was going through a tough divorce and just gave up. He left a young daughter behind and his family is absolutley crushed.
He was taking anti-depressants.
I suggest you get some counseling but do NOT take anti-depressants.
I swear they take away inhibitions and increase the likelyhood of suicide.
Good luck man. I was massively depressed when I tore up my knee. Loss of mobility (even temporary) is an awful thing.[/quote]
Where did you get your information on anti-depressants? Most drugs that take away inhibitions, alcohol being a common example, are nervous system depressants. Anti-depressants, contrary to popular belief, are not “happy pills.” They will not make you the life of the party, cause you to dance with lampshades on your head, or make you feel drunk.
Most are classified as SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. In simple terms, they prevent your body from destroying serotonin, a chemical that is found naturally in your brain. It is not only responsible for your mood, but your ability to sleep and even concentrate.
Do they always work? No. That’s because brain chemistry, like all things related to the brain and nerves in general, is not that well understood and different in everybody. A doctor will need to try out different dosages to see which one will work. This brings me to the claim that anti-depressants “cause” suicide.
It is true that drug company’s must disclose that anti-depressants “cause” suicide and can even increase symptoms of depression. This statement has been criticized as suffering from a chicken and egg problem. Did the drug actually cause the suicide or was the person so severely depressed that they did not respond well to the dosage and went and offed themselves before their doctor had a chance to up the dosage?
[quote]huslinbriks wrote:
hey guys, this is kind of a weird question to ask, but do you think people who commit suicide go to hell? i’m kind of confused about the whole religion thing, but assuming there is a God and a heaven/hell situation, do you think he sends suicides to burn?[/quote]
Read again what Vroom said.
I’d like to say I’m very proud of all my fellow T-nationers. This a site where we are typically inclined to be comedians and assholes first and foremost. In this case everyone has rallied with incredible compasion and great advise.
I have known this kid for about 4 years on sites like this one and even though I’ve never met him, this is damn scary for me. I hope he finds the strength he needs to get through this. It will really suck if one day he’s not posting anymore.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
My babysitters oldest son was “found dead” about 2 weeks ago.
They had a closed casket.
He was going through a tough divorce and just gave up. He left a young daughter behind and his family is absolutley crushed.
He was taking anti-depressants.
I suggest you get some counseling but do NOT take anti-depressants.
I swear they take away inhibitions and increase the likelyhood of suicide.
Good luck man. I was massively depressed when I tore up my knee. Loss of mobility (even temporary) is an awful thing.
Where did you get your information on anti-depressants? Most drugs that take away inhibitions, alcohol being a common example, are nervous system depressants. Anti-depressants, contrary to popular belief, are not “happy pills.” They will not make you the life of the party, cause you to dance with lampshades on your head, or make you feel drunk.
Most are classified as SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. In simple terms, they prevent your body from destroying serotonin, a chemical that is found naturally in your brain. It is not only responsible for your mood, but your ability to sleep and even concentrate.
Do they always work? No. That’s because brain chemistry, like all things related to the brain and nerves in general, is not that well understood and different in everybody. A doctor will need to try out different dosages to see which one will work. This brings me to the claim that anti-depressants “cause” suicide.
It is true that drug company’s must disclose that anti-depressants “cause” suicide and can even increase symptoms of depression. This statement has been criticized as suffering from a chicken and egg problem. Did the drug actually cause the suicide or was the person so severely depressed that they did not respond well to the dosage and went and offed themselves before their doctor had a chance to up the dosage? [/quote]
I am certainly no expert but I know a few people that have committed suicide.
They were all on anti-depressants and the doctors seem to prescribe this stuff like candy.
A guy from my old gym killed himself almost 10 years ago. He had been “depressed” for years. He saw a psychiatrist almost on a whim because his company had a new mental health program. He was prescribed some anti-depressant and within months he killed himself.
I also knew a kid from my town (he was a catholic school kid) that blew out his brains playing Russian Roulette. His friends said he did it a bunch of times before he hit the loaded chamber. He too was on medication.
While you certainly are correct about your chicken and the egg point it seems to me that anti-depressants and suicide go hand in hand.
I am sure they are wonder drugs for some that really need them but I think they are over-prescribed and would stay away from them if I were the original OP.
I don’t think this guy is depressed because of a chemical imbalance in his brain. He is depressed because of his pain, lack of mobility and the thought he will never achieve his specific life goals because of these physical problems.
i do appreciate the primer because I do not understand how the mediaction works.
I also knew a kid who committed suicide back when I was in high school. He was on some kind of drug that had a side effect of depression. I forgot what the drug was for, but I don’t think it was related to any psychological problems.
He was on our wrestling team. He was supposedly having issues with his girlfriend, and she was saying that he wasn’t acting at all like himself when on his medication.
He was a real good kid. Polite and respectful, and also a hard worker on the wrestling mat.
He ended up hanging himself in a tree in his back yard. His mother was the first one to see him.
He was only in 9th or 10th grade.