Hi,
I’ve heard from people here that the herb coriander (apparently also called cilantro) is considered unhealthy for men.
I’ve done some research and apparently there is no particular negatives of eating it.
However I’d appreciate the T-Nation masterminds (If you are unfamiliar with this term, read “Think and Grow Rich” by Napoleon Hill)to confirm my research.
I’m looking for negative effects of the herb coriander/cilantro in regards to building LBM, Strength and possible sexual implications.
DAMN IT PPL,
Like Vroom stated, first in the last couple days it was grains, then milk, now cilantro.
What else do you want to take from me???
Can I still Breath? Well truthfully that is probably less than healthy in most situations. LOl.
Anyway, have not heard about it but would be / am interested as cilantro is one of my usual spices.
Phill
I hear what you (Phill) and Vroom are saying…and never meant to drive people crazy…I too enjoy coriander. lol
Let me correct one thing…the people who said that coriander is bad for men are NOT on this forum…only in this city/country I am residing in for a little longer…lol
THey eat too much soy here anyway and deny that it is bad, so I doubt much of what they say…lol. I don’t eat soy, which makes me an outcast…lol.
Well, you might all be safe! As corriander and cilantro are two different spices. One is a green leaf and the other is a small dried seed.
I have never heard that either one is bad for anyone. I would like to see the studies that say they are.
You can have my cilantro. I can’t stand the stuff. But if they ever come out with one of these junk-science studies that says jalepenos, or habeneros are bad for you, I’ll be plenty pissed.
[quote]firebug9 wrote:
Well, you might all be safe! As corriander and cilantro are two different spices. One is a green leaf and the other is a small dried seed.
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Yes, but they are the leaf and seed forms of the same plant…
Nick
I still have not seen anything negative yet. In fact only positive things have been stated. I’ll go more into details later as I discover more if anyone is interested.
On a side note, there is a “holistic” doctor in L.A. that endorses the stuff. This is no joke…the man has cured many diseases…some are considered to be incurable. I know this because I’ve seen it in a few of his patients and he even cured colon cancer in one of my best friends. I personally don’t follow his eating plans because he does not believe in eating meat (he says too much chemicals and “not natural” things). Personally, I LOVE being a carnivore.
But, to be fair…again…he HAS cured many people and he HATES soy products…
As I said…I’ve only seen good things about Cilantro/Coriander so far…
Anybody else?
I have read that cilantro is the only thing that can remove mercury from the human nervous system.
Can anybody confirm or debunk this?
Mmmmmm… cilantro…
Damn, now I want Mexican.
Hey, there, Trailblazer! Long time, no speak. (grin)
Coriander and cilantro come from the same plant. Coriander is the seed. It’s used in cooking – sometimes whole, sometimes ground. Cilantro, on the other hand is the leaf. It’s used in Asian and Mexican cooking, both.
Yes, at one time coriander was believed to have aphrodisiac effects. So I can see how you were hoping it might be good for LBM, working out, etc. However, to better understand why you often see “reputed” and “aphrodisiac” used together in the same sentence, I’ll paste something in from the “Cambridge World History of Food.”
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Some Interesting History
Aphrodisiacs were first sought out as a remedy for various sexual anxieties including fears of inadequate performance as well as a need to increase fertility. Procreation was an important moral and religious issue and aphrodisiacs were sought to insure both male and female potency.
Why Certain Foods?
In ancient times a distinction was made between a substance that increased fertility versus one that simply increased sex drive. One of the key issues in early times was nutrition. Food was not so readily available as it is today. Undernourishment creates a loss of libido as well as reduces fertility rates. Substances that “by nature” represent “seed or semen” such as bulbs, eggs, snails" were considered inherently to have sexual powers. Other types of foods were considered stimulating by their “physical resemblance to genitalia.”
It’s important to realize these food substances were identified (documented) by the likes of Pliny and Dioscordes (ancient Greeks) first century AD and later by Paul of Aegina from the seventh century. Later more credence was given to foods that “satisfied dietary gratification.”
Other foods deemed to have these aphrodisiac qualities were derived from mythology. Aphrodite, the love goddess was said to consider “sparrows” sacred because of their “amorous nature” and for that reason were included in various aphrodisiac brews.
There was not always agreement upon what foods were actually aphrodisiacs or “anaphrodisiacs” (decrease potency). But the ancient list included Anise, basil, carrot, salvia, gladiolus root, orchid bulbs, pistachio nuts, rocket (arugula), sage, sea fennel, turnips, skink flesh (a type of lizard) and river snails.
The ancients suggested you steer clear of dill, lentil, lettuce, watercress, rue, and water lily.
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So, I guess the bottom line is that coriander and cilantro are useful in cooking (quite tasty, actually!), but probably of limited value for those of us with BB’ing and body comp goals.
As for an aphrodisiac, considering where you live and that you don’t have ready access to Alpha Male, hit up ye local TCM doc. The Chinese have some extremely effective/potent aphrodisiac herbal formulas that have long stood the test of time.
Re the holistic doc in LA, remember that your goals and his goals might be different. Where you may want to add another 25 pounds of LBM to your frame, he’s probably working with people who have autoimmune disease, cancer, AIDS, Hepatitis C, etc. He might find it (cilantro or coriander) to be helpful in his practice, working with very sick people. Nonetheless, I’m betting that if you gave it a trial run, you wouldn’t find it to help you add LBM or increase T levels.
And Boxer, yes, a standardized cilantro extract is often used as part of a comprehensive mercury detoxification protocol. It helps to mobilize mercury out of the tissue so that it can bind with DMPS, which is a chelating agent administered via IV, injection, suppositories or transdermally.
A cilantro extract is not something someone should start taking on their own just because they think they have high levels of mercury or because they have amalgam fillings. Mobilizing stored mercury without having mechanisms in place to safely escort it from the body would result in making the person very, very sick!
My, Terry, what a nice… “leaf”… you have!
TT, as always, you ROCK!! It’s always a pleasure to have a chance to talk with ya. I mean, I look on the web and all I find is that it helps with gas and mercury, but you pull out the dictionary and encyclopedia …lol…
As for an aphrodisiac, considering where you live and that you don’t have ready access to Alpha Male, hit up ye local TCM doc. The Chinese have some extremely effective/potent aphrodisiac herbal formulas that have long stood the test of time.
…for the RECORD, I don’t need anything like that here…I think I have an excess of drive and no availibility to the means to…uhhh…alleviate the problem…lol…I have to spend time daily in meditation to stay SANE!! =)
Re the holistic doc in LA, remember that your goals and his goals might be different. Where you may want to add another 25 pounds of LBM to your frame, he’s probably working with people who have autoimmune disease, cancer, AIDS, Hepatitis C, etc. He might find it (cilantro or coriander) to be helpful in his practice, working with very sick people. Nonetheless, I’m betting that if you gave it a trial run, you wouldn’t find it to help you add LBM or increase T levels.
Actually for a year I did try his diet…just to cleanse the system. This happened just as I got into weightlifting as a lifestyle and i was at the height of the martial art phase. The man cured patients AIDS, different Cancers, Lupus, paralysis, blindness, Leukemia, Diabetes…the list goes on.
His (what I’ve come to call) “beyond Vegan” diet (it’s vegan with no soy and only fruit/veggies that have seeds, no garlic…) has cured many people. Hey, about the gaining 25LBM…you hit that right on the head…I was at my thinnest (skinniest) on that diet and could not gain an ounce if my life depended on it, it seems. As for the T-levels…I don’t know, the guy was 75, had 2 wives and just became a father for the 4th time…at 75 YEARS OLD!
Now THAT’s what I’M talking about…heheheh…
However, I’m NOT saying that the coriander/cilantro is the ONLY reason for it. hehehe.
Hey, it was a fun research project, Trailblazer! (grin)
Who’s the doc in LA? Is he published? Either on the 'Net or hard copy? In particular I’m curious about his garlic restriction…the logic behind it.
Heres an aphrodesiac- A nice whiting fillet, a little salt, a little garlic, a pinch of cilantro. Broil to persection and top with a dab of butter.
Serve to the girl you are trying to impress.
I can’t guarantee that it will work, but it will definitely increase the likelyhood.
My thoughts on Chinese assigning foods certain health values- Thats how they got their kids to eat their veggies.We should start doing that in America.Tell kids that cheeseburgers will make you sterile and asparagus will make your wang bigger. I bet the kids will shape up real quick!
How was cilantro supposed to be unhealthy? The only thing that I have heard is that cilantro kills bacteria.
[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
Hey, it was a fun research project, Trailblazer! (grin)
Who’s the doc in LA? Is he published? Either on the 'Net or hard copy? In particular I’m curious about his garlic restriction…the logic behind it.
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Okay TT,
Most of my information on the doc is in my computer back in the States, so I’ll have to do some research and pick the brains of people back there as well…so it may be a little time until I get the whole thing on the forum.
I CAN say that I wound up spending a decent amount of time picking the docs brain because I brought my friend (the one who got cured of stage 4 colon cancer…in 2 months) to the docs office.
Here are a few random links I found…i don’t think they are too helpful (I’ll find better later), but at least it is food for thought and somewhere to begin…
Oh yeah, his professional name is Dr. Sebi.
Website: http://www.drsebi.com
(be sure to check out the “court case” tab).
Random stories/articles
Treating Michael Jackson for painkillers:
(I know, I know “celebrity justice”…but before I left the states, I knew he was treating him)
Random Posting:
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/marxism/2004-March/004751.html
He has been treating Magic johnson (AIDS)(shhh…) and I think also Michael J. Fox (Parkinsons)…he was working on the latter when I left.
About his views on garlic: To be fair, I’ve not done the research on this, but according to him:
Garlic was originally developed as a disinfectant in Egypt. It will clean the blood and all of that, but it has no “off” trigger…it does not “know” when to stop…thus can eat holes in the stomach lining. Somehow it also impairs reflexes and thought patterns…not sure of the medical way of stating this…for example, the US Air Force prohibits it’s test pilots from consuming garlic for 3 day prior to a test flight…as well as professional fighters/boxers supposedly are advised to stay away from it for a few days before a match.
Again, this is only a laymans way of explaining what he preaches(“I’m not a doctor…I just play one on T.V.”)…but it’s food for thought.
I’ll try to post some more links and information…
[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
Heres an aphrodesiac- A nice whiting fillet, a little salt, a little garlic, a pinch of cilantro. Broil to persection and top with a dab of butter.
Serve to the girl you are trying to impress.
I can’t guarantee that it will work, but it will definitely increase the likelyhood.
My thoughts on Chinese assigning foods certain health values- Thats how they got their kids to eat their veggies.We should start doing that in America.Tell kids that cheeseburgers will make you sterile and asparagus will make your wang bigger. I bet the kids will shape up real quick![/quote]
Hehhehe…you got me wondering if we should start an “Aphrodesiacs” thread…hmmmm.
I hear ya, but I don’t know about that…how many kids (under 12) are worried about that stuff? Maybe tell them that cheeseburgers will inhibit their videogaming reflexes…and asparagus will help their “Street Fighter/Tekken/MK/Virtual Fighter/etc” skills. Heck, that would have shaped me up MUCH earlier…
Interesting reading, Trailblazer!!! Thanks for posting the links. And yes, I’d be interested in more as you find them.
You’re right, the “Court Case” info was very interesting. (grin)