Steroids cause rage in the same way that playing basketball makes you tall.
Nope. Bad analogy. That would imply that, for most people, coke and meth can be used responsibly since people who are not under the influence of alcohol donāt normally get into accidents when driving.
In relation to the thread topic, a more fitting analogy would be finding traces of steroids in someone who got in a DUI accident.
None of you have ever had an anecdote of people roid raging? Either through somebody you know? Or steroid users even admitting that they roid rage?
Itās certainly reasonable to understand that just because somebody uses steroids wonāt make them roid rage. It definitely makes it likely though - would he have raged the same way or caused the same damage if he werent on steroids?
Had this guy not been on other drugs and didnāt have the predisposition to violence, I donāt think the steroids would have done anything at a responsible dose. But I donāt think it helped combined with the other factors.
Just like if somebody had a high alcohol content and got into an accident with small traces of weed - that for sure makes it that weed was a factor
Iāve definitely seen people anecodotally roid rage. It also turned out they were on creatine, and thought it was like steroids. Iāve also seen people that accused someone of roid raging because they worked out, took protein shakes, and then got annoyed at someone for being annoying.
Roid rage suffers greatly from confirmation bias. Some guy has anger issues and is on steroids? Itās because of the steroids. Some guy has anger issues and isnāt on steroids? Theyāre just a jerk. Some guy is on steroids, has a normal amount of anger and expresses it? They have roid rage.
Say they found that the person had also consumed water regularly. Would the water be a factor as well?
Or are we mistaking correlation with causation in such instances?
Yes, that would be a reasonable assumption. But the effects of weed are well documented. āRoid rageā is based on mostly anecdotal evidence and media exagerations.
First part definitely makes sense. Maybe as the natty elitist that I am, I donāt have a real perspective of steroids. I do think the latter is a reach.
āThis dude breathed oxygen and killed somebody, so breathing oxygen makes you kill peopleā
It is that way by design. Hyperbole acts as a magnifying glass in matter of anaology. We cannot simply rule that, since something is present, it becomes a factor. Many things are non-factors. It is instead worth analyzing the data we have and drawing reasonable conclusions.
I really wouldnāt be surprised if someone has already tried to use this as a defense before lol.
The best angry people are steroid users and females have better rage but arenāt worth watching?
what the fuck did you just say to me you motherfucker Iāl fucking kill you!
I said the only memorable character in Aliens was JONESY! Come at me bro!
Brah, my creatine rage is spiking with this bullshit ass comment!
I donāt even take steroids and I would gleefully beat this guy to death with my bare hands. Must just be guys that lift.
I donāt see any rage. I see him waiting to ambush her as she came home.
It was a calm, premeditated, and deliberate attack.
Way worse than some chemically-induced ārageā.
The steroids were definitely a factor
How were the steroids definitely a factor?
I canāt help but feel for a small minority of people certain harsher anabolics like tren, halo and Mtren likely do have an impact on agression when used in higher doses, is it enough to trigger a violent episode, probably not however thereās likely some sort of increase in aggression that when coupled with other hard drugs (like meth⦠for instance) is amplified. Another study on 600mg/wk showed a small minority of people (something like 4%) showed mild manic symptoms, not rage or aggression but still symptoms of mania, that being said Roid Rage is mostly a myth, fueled by propaganda, bias and ignorance.
Multiple hepatic adenomas caused by long-term administration of androgenic steroids for aplastic anemia in association with familial adenomatous polyposis.
Seeing these studies are super depressing because these individuals with severe aplastic anaemia (without access to treatments like EPO, stem cell transplants, immunosuppressive drugs or AAS) die, therefore there isnāt a much better alternative for these people
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I canāt help but feel for a small minority of people certain harsher anabolics like tren, halo and Mtren likely do have an impact on agression when used in higher doses,
Iāve said it dozens of times on this forum. I loved the way tren made me feel but apparently my wife hated my personality on it. So much so, that Iāve promised not to use it again.
None of you have ever had an anecdote of people roid raging?
Nope. Every guy on juice Iāve ever met was super reasonable and calm. Probably because they are taking illegal substances and canāt risk being arrested, and probably because they were decent people to begin with.
I challenge you to an experiment. Go to the Arnold Classic or Olympia and walk around the exhibitor area. Iād venture a guess that at LEAST half of the attendees at the Arnold this year were recreational lifters using PEDs.
So if we put 50,000 roid users in a small room bumping into each other, compressed space, long lines⦠logic would tell you that if your belief that heavy doses of steroids cause violent tendencies⦠there should be assaults all over the damn place. I saw zero aggressive behaviour there. Lots of giant dudes crashing into people saying things like āsorry budā, āexcuse meā, āpardonā.
Another study on 600mg/wk showed a small minority of people (something like 4%) showed mild manic symptoms, not rage or aggression but still symptoms of mania
what percentage of the population at large shows āmild mania symptomsā?
Oh wait, I have it here. Itās 2.6%, according to the national institute of mental health. Iād say thatās right in line with āsomething like 4%ā, wouldnāt you?
Roid rage is a myth. I do believe that there might be a correlation with aggressive behavior/violence and steroid use. But I believe that if this is so,it would be because a violent, aggressive person is probably more likely to make the decision to use steroids than a non-aggressive person.
Hereās the thing, @SOUL_FIGHTER. If this story had been a guy who had meth, x and coke on him, and no steroids, and he committed this crime, you would say āyep. that sounds about rightā. Meaning, you can understand this crime occurring in the absence of steroids. If you can conceive of this crime happening in the absence of steroids, you cannot leap to the assumption that, in the presence of steroids, the steroids were relevant the incident. Thatās logically flawed.
Closest I have ever seeing anything close to āroid rageā was my buddy many years ago whom was becoming moody as fuck. But pretty sure it had less to do with high Test he was taking . Pretty sure his elevated estrogen was the issue, Since he wasnāt taking any type of estrogen blocker and he was getting gyno .
Other than that I have seen more Whiskey rage than anything else in my time.