[quote]knobby22 wrote:
So basically here’s my takeaway
read the rules; if exo T is banned then don’t compete in that fed or category
if allowed but loading restricted through measured serum levels, then stay w/i the safe zone and all is OK.
a whole lot of you overact to the whole TRT thing; therapeutic dosages (inherent in the concept of test replacement therapy) are at least a full order of magnitude lower than a typical PED cycle.
statistically those on TRT like me are 40+, probably 45+. I’m not competing against (nor would I stand a chance) against you young guys at the peak of your strength. It just seems to me some of you are inventing fictitious TRT villains.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
Being part of that thread, I dont believe it was a shit show actually, maybe heated but for the most part respectable.
If your like me and compete but not necessarily to win but more for personal record setting, the amicable solution and compromise would be just to do the open division. Its what I will be doing for now on, because in actuallity it really doesent fucking matter unless you have a real shot of breaking records or winning your division.
No one is painting TRT users as villains. Frankly, no one cares about your TRT. If it improves your quality of life, I support it wholeheartedly. It’s amazing to me how the cackles go up when the topic of TRT is even broached.
Whether or not one ought to enter a tested division on TRT is an ethical question. Whether to use TRT at all is a personal choice. I feel sorry for those that don’t understand the difference.
[quote]osu122975 wrote:
100% RAW has a form you can fill out and send in. If your levels are low enough w/o TRT and on the high end of normal while on, you have nothing to worry about. Unless you are top 3 in the meet or have “the look” as they call it, they won’t think twice about testing you.
IMO, its still natural if the levels are within the 300-1200 range. The natty guys who are still producing test naturally get a bit touchy w/ the subject, but how can they argue if your ranges are within normal specs? It’s an even playing field then. [/quote]
I’m not familiar with the wording of the rule in 100% or the form you are mentioning; however if the rule is written where only exceeding an upper threshold is considered a violation, or waivers are granted, then a lifter on TRT is fine. If testosterone is on a banned list; then the lifter is not. ‘Even Playing Field’ is defined by the rules of the organization…opinions are not relative to the matter.
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100% allows TRT and other uses. Fill out their form for their approval. It’s on the website.
Second, I can have any opinion I want in relation to the topic. I could care less if you like it or not. If I wanna share facts and my opinion on TRT use; I will.
Natty guys are so touchy…
“It’s only cheating if you get caught.” - Al Bundy
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Lets be honest in reality most respectable Docs who put people on TRT. Are not giving anything close enough to be anywhere near a PED level. I think allot of uniformed people think someone on TRT is going to somehow add 30 lbs of lean muscle and 200 lbs on a total over someone else with a normal test level. Most guys who go on might notice a slight improvement in recovery and how they feel over what they did pre treatment.[/quote]
It might not be the same as someone taking significant amounts of PEDs, but it is still and advantage. Particularly for lifters in older age categories.
I was thinking that many women, especially 40+ crowd, will have problems with competing ‘natural.’
My wife is going through a bunch of hormone issues and she’s been on a low dosage of T and progesterone. I guess women like her will have problems as well competing in USAPL and other feds.
I know quite a few. Closest to me are my wife is 44 and my office manager at 50.
Perimenopause, menopause, and post. . . all commonly treated with hormones. The numbers of women who are estrogen dominant (not a good thing) are pretty large. My doc treats far more women than men in his office.
USAPL’s ban on hormones in general would seem to affect all such women. Unless I’m reading it incorrectly.
[quote]knobby22 wrote:
USAPL’s ban on hormones in general would seem to affect all such women. Unless I’m reading it incorrectly. [/quote]
You are correct.
I’m 49 and don’t have any female friends or relatives on hormones. Interesting.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Lets be honest in reality most respectable Docs who put people on TRT. Are not giving anything close enough to be anywhere near a PED level. I think allot of uniformed people think someone on TRT is going to somehow add 30 lbs of lean muscle and 200 lbs on a total over someone else with a normal test level. Most guys who go on might notice a slight improvement in recovery and how they feel over what they did pre treatment.[/quote]
It might not be the same as someone taking significant amounts of PEDs, but it is still and advantage. Particularly for lifters in older age categories.[/quote]
I think you missed the part about is not being anywhere near a PED level.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
Lets be honest in reality most respectable Docs who put people on TRT. Are not giving anything close enough to be anywhere near a PED level. I think allot of uniformed people think someone on TRT is going to somehow add 30 lbs of lean muscle and 200 lbs on a total over someone else with a normal test level. Most guys who go on might notice a slight improvement in recovery and how they feel over what they did pre treatment.[/quote]
It might not be the same as someone taking significant amounts of PEDs, but it is still and advantage. Particularly for lifters in older age categories.[/quote]
I think you missed the part about is not being anywhere near a PED level.
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No I didn’t miss it (hence my first sentence). It’s still an advantage. Especially for older lifters since everyone they’re competing against has low testosterone levels.
[quote]osu122975 wrote:
100% RAW has a form you can fill out and send in. If your levels are low enough w/o TRT and on the high end of normal while on, you have nothing to worry about. Unless you are top 3 in the meet or have “the look” as they call it, they won’t think twice about testing you.
IMO, its still natural if the levels are within the 300-1200 range. The natty guys who are still producing test naturally get a bit touchy w/ the subject, but how can they argue if your ranges are within normal specs? It’s an even playing field then. [/quote]
I’m not familiar with the wording of the rule in 100% or the form you are mentioning; however if the rule is written where only exceeding an upper threshold is considered a violation, or waivers are granted, then a lifter on TRT is fine. If testosterone is on a banned list; then the lifter is not. ‘Even Playing Field’ is defined by the rules of the organization…opinions are not relative to the matter.
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100% allows TRT and other uses. Fill out their form for their approval. It’s on the website.
Second, I can have any opinion I want in relation to the topic. I could care less if you like it or not. If I wanna share facts and my opinion on TRT use; I will.
Natty guys are so touchy…
“It’s only cheating if you get caught.” - Al Bundy
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Although you are certainly entitled to an opinion; that doesn’t mean it’s relevant to the topic at hand. Perhaps if you review my post it will clear up your comprehension problem. The topic wasn’t what should the rule be; it was what is the rule.
[quote]knobby22 wrote:
USAPL’s ban on hormones in general would seem to affect all such women. Unless I’m reading it incorrectly. [/quote]
You are correct.
I’m 49 and don’t have any female friends or relatives on hormones. Interesting.[/quote]
Correct. If I know anyone who is on HRT, I don’t know that they are on it and if they are lifters, they shouldn’t burden me with the information because I’d have to address it.
Happily for my personal circumstance I’ve had little to no affect from menopause. I’ve no doubt that as I get into my mid-50’s it will make itself felt in terms of strength though.
