They say correcting someone on the internet is the same as subtracting one from infinity.
HiFiBoy, please don’t derail the discussion by posting about your disgruntlement about your perception of how someone is treating you. To you, it could be patronization, to him it could be educating someone misinformed. Regardless of what it was, leave it elsewhere.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good for you. I do not write anything on this board worried about what you think of it. You are a newbie too busy complaining about advice to actually learn from it. Have a great one.[/quote]
And your advice is to call people out for having no common sense when it is in fact ignorance?
If you don’t care what people think why do you have a post count of 27000 (unless you’re just referring to me which is fine)? How am I supposed to learn when the advice you give is not actually advice, but a subtle dig at my lack lack of knowledge?
Also, I realise I am a newbie to weightlifting, I accept this, but you are insulting my common sense not my weightlifting. So, me being a newbie has nothing to do with it.
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Good for you. I do not write anything on this board worried about what you think of it. You are a newbie too busy complaining about advice to actually learn from it. Have a great one.
And your advice is to call people out for having no common sense when it is in fact ignorance?
If you don’t care what people think why do you have a post count of 27000 (unless you’re just referring to me which is fine)? How am I supposed to learn when the advice you give is not actually advice, but a subtle dig at my lack lack of knowledge?
Also, I realise I am a newbie to weightlifting, I accept this, but you are insulting my common sense not my weightlifting. So, me being a newbie has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
Are you a troll?
You wrote this on 5/8/2009:
[quote]Hi, I’ve been bulking for just over a month now and have started to gain a little belly. I weigh 135 and have been in athletic shape all my life (a bit skinny too). As a beginner who has always been slim, this belly issue is worrying but as I have read loads of stuff on this website I knew what I was getting myself into.
I eat roughly 3000-3500 calories per day
My question is, if I put on a bit of fat, will this serve as energy reserves if for instance I eat 2000 calories for a few days, so that I can still train hard, or do I still need the food? Also, would this help me lose the fat?
Basically I want to put on as much muscle as possible with as little fat as possible (the golden ratio). I eat 90% clean and the other 10% is pretty good too. Please appreciate my psychological issues with gaining fat for the first time (I don’t mind, but I’d rather keep it to a minimum).[/quote]
You then wrote this on 5/9/2009 after someone asked how much cardio they should do:
You weigh 135lbs…and are now cutting…because your stomach stuck out because you ate food.
You are a school teacher?
really?
“It is a thousand times better to have common sense without education than to have education without common sense”.
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Good for you. I do not write anything on this board worried about what you think of it. You are a newbie too busy complaining about advice to actually learn from it. Have a great one.
And your advice is to call people out for having no common sense when it is in fact ignorance?
If you don’t care what people think why do you have a post count of 27000 (unless you’re just referring to me which is fine)? How am I supposed to learn when the advice you give is not actually advice, but a subtle dig at my lack lack of knowledge?
Also, I realise I am a newbie to weightlifting, I accept this, but you are insulting my common sense not my weightlifting. So, me being a newbie has nothing to do with it.[/quote]
I don’t much care about this whole debate… Just some advice for you that will help you a great deal if you follow it:
Stop posting. Start reading… “be a sponge” so to speak.
Professor X’s thread (“professor X: a request”), the “ramping or not”(or whatever it was called) thread, some of the t-cell threads…
Then head over to intensemuscle.com and use advanced search to find posts by Doggcrapp, MassiveG, Homonunculus, SuperD, Ken “Skip” Hill and so on…
Ironaddicts.com is another good site for training info.
Just read that stuff and meanwhile do some basic program in the gym to get your strength to decent levels…
That way you can avoid all the drama (caused by you or others) and I guarantee that if you actually pay attention, all the questions you may think you have will either be answered or turn out to be unimportant.
After many years of posting about the same basic stuff again and again, most of the vets are just plain burned out… We don’t get payed for spoon-feeding everyone who comes on here and posts threads such as “what rep range is best?”. It’s all out on the boards, you only need to know whom to listen to.
Most beginners don’t really have much reason to post at all (about training, obviously I’m not referring to the non-training forums), despite what they may think (You can call me arrogant for that if you want… I don’t mean to come across as such, just saying what I think will help you guys the most…)
/hijack
[quote]Kerley wrote:
“It is a thousand times better to have common sense without education than to have education without common sense”.[/quote]
I like that one…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You weigh 135lbs…and are now cutting…because your stomach stuck out because you ate food.
You are a school teacher?
really?[/quote]
For the sake of fairness, I think he means he’s trying to “cut down” on the amount of cardio he’s doing.
That being said, the real irony is that someone so clueless tried to give someone else training advice.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HiFiBoy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Good for you. I do not write anything on this board worried about what you think of it. You are a newbie too busy complaining about advice to actually learn from it. Have a great one.
And your advice is to call people out for having no common sense when it is in fact ignorance?
If you don’t care what people think why do you have a post count of 27000 (unless you’re just referring to me which is fine)? How am I supposed to learn when the advice you give is not actually advice, but a subtle dig at my lack lack of knowledge?
Also, I realise I am a newbie to weightlifting, I accept this, but you are insulting my common sense not my weightlifting. So, me being a newbie has nothing to do with it.
Are you a troll?
You wrote this on 5/8/2009:
Hi, I’ve been bulking for just over a month now and have started to gain a little belly. I weigh 135 and have been in athletic shape all my life (a bit skinny too). As a beginner who has always been slim, this belly issue is worrying but as I have read loads of stuff on this website I knew what I was getting myself into.
I eat roughly 3000-3500 calories per day
My question is, if I put on a bit of fat, will this serve as energy reserves if for instance I eat 2000 calories for a few days, so that I can still train hard, or do I still need the food? Also, would this help me lose the fat?
Basically I want to put on as much muscle as possible with as little fat as possible (the golden ratio). I eat 90% clean and the other 10% is pretty good too. Please appreciate my psychological issues with gaining fat for the first time (I don’t mind, but I’d rather keep it to a minimum).
You then wrote this on 5/9/2009 after someone asked how much cardio they should do:
Very little, I’m trying to cut down now. I started out doing about 30 mins but was repeatedly told to cut down. I’m just going to do 10 minutes rowing from now as I feel that it helps me warm up my back.
You weigh 135lbs…and are now cutting…because your stomach stuck out because you ate food.
[/quote]
This is the whole point of my argument. I am not cutting now because I asked these questions, thus removing my beginner ignorance, this had nothing to do with common sense. People gave me advice and I listened to it. I don’t see your point, you’re just making assumptions.
I don’t see what the cardio issue has to do with anything either, again I asked questions and listened to the advice given and then tried to pass on the advice to someone else. Is it not common sense to clear up any issues you have?
Let’s agree to disagree, we could argue all night.
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
This is the whole point of my argument. I am not cutting now because I asked these questions, thus removing my beginner ignorance, this had nothing to do with common sense. People gave me advice and I listened to it. I don’t see your point, you’re just making assumptions.
I don’t see what the cardio issue has to do with anything either, again I asked questions and listened to the advice given and then tried to pass on the advice to someone else. Is it not common sense to clear up any issues you have?
Let’s agree to disagree, we could argue all night.
[/quote]
Dude, YOU WEIGH 135LBS at 5’8" according to your profile. Why would you EVER think you needed to be worried because your stomach stuck out a little after the first time you tried to gain more weight?
Your success is also based on your ability to be willing to make mistakes so you can learn from them WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE HOLDING YOUR HAND IN THE PROCESS.
Yes, that is an example of a lack of common sense in my opinion because at 135lbs, wouldn’t your desire to make more overall progress trump some perceived panic because you ate more until you were full?
You are a TEACHER yet someone had to tell you that this happens if you have food in your digestive tract.
Are you really arguing against this?
Hey, you came into this thread to complain. I stayed out of that other one for the most part aside from making a general comment about what most threads like that entail.
[quote]Itchy wrote:
I like this thread. That’s it.[/quote]
I like you.
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
I don’t see what the cardio issue has to do with anything either, again I asked questions and listened to the advice given and then tried to pass on the advice to someone else [/quote] Think about that again. Do you think you should be giving others advice just yet, in regards to weight training and/or any of the things related to it?
The advice may have come from someone else, but how would you know what limitations there are to said advice, if it even works all that well etc (especially: is it really relevant to the other guy’s situation)?
Being a teacher is great, but a maths teacher who knows little about, say, German, wouldn’t usually try to give people advice about how to learn the German language, would he?
Even if that advice came from someone else… Unless he has already put that advice to good use for many years with success… Just passing on the newest stuff you’ve read about a topic you have little to no experience with isn’t exactly useful to anyone.
Many people just love doing this though. They’ll read something about how this or that person x does Y, and, despite having no idea if it’s true or not, they’ll tell all of their buddies that they know exactly that “person x does y all the time and have you heard…”[quote] Is it not common sense to clear up any issues you have?
Let’s agree to disagree, we could argue all night.
[/quote]
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Itchy wrote:
I like this thread. That’s it.
I like you.[/quote]
Um…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
HiFiBoy wrote:
This is the whole point of my argument. I am not cutting now because I asked these questions, thus removing my beginner ignorance, this had nothing to do with common sense. People gave me advice and I listened to it. I don’t see your point, you’re just making assumptions.
I don’t see what the cardio issue has to do with anything either, again I asked questions and listened to the advice given and then tried to pass on the advice to someone else. Is it not common sense to clear up any issues you have?
Let’s agree to disagree, we could argue all night.
Dude, YOU WEIGH 135LBS at 5’8" according to your profile. Why would you EVER think you needed to be worried because your stomach stuck out a little after the first time you tried to gain more weight?
Your success is also based on your ability to be willing to make mistakes so you can learn from them WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE HOLDING YOUR HAND IN THE PROCESS.
Yes, that is an example of a lack of common sense in my opinion because at 135lbs, wouldn’t your desire to make more overall progress trump some perceived panic because you ate more until you were full?
You are a TEACHER yet someone had to tell you that this happens if you have food in your digestive tract.
Are you really arguing against this?
Hey, you came into this thread to complain. I stayed out of that other one for the most part aside from making a general comment about what most threads like that entail. [/quote]
Ok, we’re more relaxed now. I’m a languages teacher in Poland so biology is not my strong point, but initially when I came into weightlifting I assumed I would get fit not fat. I don’t weigh 135 anymore I’ve put on an extra 10 pounds recently also.
I appreciate all the advice on this site, but you have to acknowledge why I saw this thread as an insult?
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
I appreciate all the advice on this site, but you have to acknowledge why I saw this thread as an insult?[/quote]
Nope. This thread did exactly what it was intended to do.
Have a great one, my newbie visual aid.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
HiFiBoy wrote:
I don’t see what the cardio issue has to do with anything either, again I asked questions and listened to the advice given and then tried to pass on the advice to someone else Think about that again. Do you think you should be giving others advice just yet, in regards to weight training and/or any of the things related to it?
The advice may have come from someone else, but how would you know what limitations there are to said advice, if it even works all that well etc (especially: is it really relevant to the other guy’s situation)?
Being a teacher is great, but a maths teacher who knows little about, say, German, wouldn’t usually try to give people advice about how to learn the German language, would he?
Even if that advice came from someone else… Unless he has already put that advice to good use for many years with success… Just passing on the newest stuff you’ve read about a topic you have little to no experience with isn’t exactly useful to anyone.
Many people just love doing this though. They’ll read something about how this or that person x does Y, and, despite having no idea if it’s true or not, they’ll tell all of their buddies that they know exactly that “person x does y all the time and have you heard…” Is it not common sense to clear up any issues you have?
Let’s agree to disagree, we could argue all night.
[/quote]
I agree on this point, I just wanted to pass on some knowledge because people had been so helpful to me. Noone speaks English (and my Polish is not good enough to cover most weightlifting related vocabulary) in my gym so this website is the only resource I have. I have to clear up my issues via the internet unfortunately rather than by chatting with experienced lifters (not the best way, for sure).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Nope. This thread did exactly what it was intended to do.
Have a great one, my newbie visual aid.[/quote]
Well at least I tried to finish the argument without resorting to personal attacks about profession. I guess I ruffled your feathers a little (sorry).
[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
Noone speaks English (and my Polish is not good enough to cover most weightlifting related vocabulary) in my gym so this website is the only resource I have. I have to clear up my issues via the internet unfortunately rather than by chatting with experienced lifters (not the best way, for sure).
[/quote]
See my post above the one you quoted for some help in that regard.
Edit: ok, my first post on this page is the one I meant, actually.
5’8 135…time to make out with a glock.
[quote]Itchy wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Itchy wrote:
I like this thread. That’s it.
I like you.
Um…[/quote]
So you wanna do something sometime? Hunt? Fish? MMMF?
Here is the funny thing, common knowledge does not exist. Or more to point, it is culturally specific, so that understanding what is considered common knowledge is actually acceptance/admittance into said cultural group. Case in point, C_C (and others’) response to read existing threads to initiate oneself into this particular cultural group.
Common knowledge as such (defined by and defining of cultural groups) does not need to be factual or non-conflicting. It just has to be accepted within the cultural group. (Look up ontology and epistemology if you want to get deep into this.) Take for example, Jesus. Christians say “Son of God”, Jews say “Nope”, and Muslims say “Prophet, but we have had newer and better.” Who’s right? Not the point here, just showing that cultural groups differ in what is “fact”. So the idea that people link loosing weight with getting muscle should not surprise anyone who watches the smallest modicum of TV commercials. It does not have to be factual to be accepted by some cultural groups. People are buying in, right?
So should we be surprised when an unindoctrinated newbie asks questions that are deemed common knowledge in this particular cultural group (bodybuilder on T-Nation) when the newbie is a member of the larger ‘lose weight to get buff’ crowd? No. Why the hell the fuss? Send them to our scriptures - stickies - and let them start there.
One thing that needs to be considered is that everyone belongs to different cultural groups, thus have drank the kool-aid of different common knowledges. It is a poor assumption to believe that others pull from the same experiences and cultural groups as oneself. That makes as much sense as making an assumption about one cultural group and applying it broadly to the general population. Or linking arm size to an individual’s worth.