Common Sense, Wherefore Art Thou

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.

I think you are being obtuse on purpose. No one is going to get as dried out at 6% body fat or less without diuretics at that body weight. However, when you discuss this shit with newbies, if you tell them that no one can get to be that size (because most don’t know shit abou conditioning or that diuretics are even used to get that ripped on stage) without drugs while also being lean, you would be dead wrong.

Being Mr. Olympia isn’t just about muscle size. It is also about CONDITIONING which at that level usually involves drugs designed to push water from the body. That is why the biggest risk to their health at that level is NOT steroids but the diuretics used and what they do pre-contest to get into that condition.

By telling people no one can look like Vic without drugs, you simply cause even more newbs to think anyone much over 220lbs must be using enough steroids to pump up a thoroughbred. Most people don’t know shit about what it takes to get that dry on stage therefore their comments are not geared towards just how dry they are.

Disregarding diuretics and how dry he gets on stage, I’d be willing to bet every person out there who is 5’9" and 275 pounds, <8% bodyfat is on steroids (which is Vic’s offseason weight). If newbies are too stupid to realize that is much bigger than 220 pounds then they lack the common sense you’re speaking about in this thread. Hence my post.[/quote]

First off, most top pro’s aren’t even 275lbs on stage at only 5’9", especially lately so I will disregard your specific numbers tossed out.

What you seem to miss again is that the majority of the people I have ever met with the genetics to be that damn big and lean are NOT worried in the least about being that lean. They don’t bodybuild. Most of them only lifted for football practice and now carry more lean body mass as a result of that and eating horses daily that if they ever did gain the motivation to lean up intelligently they would surprise a hell of a lot of people.

Yes, most people you see that big AND that lean probably are on steroids, simply because most of the people who can get really big naturally don’t give a shit about how lean they are…which is what probably helped them get that big to begin with without drugs.

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[quote]Gillium-001 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i was at work the other day and was in the office with a couple of the other guys who work there just shooting the shit a little bit. i took of my shirt cause it was sweaty and just nasty feeling (i had a wifebeater on under) and one of them says “youre big” in a matter of fact kind of way.

Your comment started off like you were gonna tell us about your first gay encounter.

(Sorry, couldn’t help it. You kinda set yourself up there, brah.)[/quote]

DAYUM!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.

I think you are being obtuse on purpose. No one is going to get as dried out at 6% body fat or less without diuretics at that body weight. However, when you discuss this shit with newbies, if you tell them that no one can get to be that size (because most don’t know shit abou conditioning or that diuretics are even used to get that ripped on stage) without drugs while also being lean, you would be dead wrong.

Being Mr. Olympia isn’t just about muscle size. It is also about CONDITIONING which at that level usually involves drugs designed to push water from the body. That is why the biggest risk to their health at that level is NOT steroids but the diuretics used and what they do pre-contest to get into that condition.

By telling people no one can look like Vic without drugs, you simply cause even more newbs to think anyone much over 220lbs must be using enough steroids to pump up a thoroughbred. Most people don’t know shit about what it takes to get that dry on stage therefore their comments are not geared towards just how dry they are.

Disregarding diuretics and how dry he gets on stage, I’d be willing to bet every person out there who is 5’9" and 275 pounds, <8% bodyfat is on steroids (which is Vic’s offseason weight). If newbies are too stupid to realize that is much bigger than 220 pounds then they lack the common sense you’re speaking about in this thread. Hence my post.

First off, most top pro’s aren’t even 275lbs on stage at only 5’9", especially lately so I will disregard your specific numbers tossed out.

What you seem to miss again is that the majority of the people I have ever met with the genetics to be that damn big and lean are NOT worried in the least about being that lean. They don’t bodybuild. Most of them only lifted for football practice and now carry more lean body mass as a result of that and eating horses daily that if they ever did gain the motivation to lean up intelligently they would surprise a hell of a lot of people.

Yes, most people you see that big AND that lean probably are on steroids, simply because most of the people who can get really big naturally don’t give a shit about how lean they are…which is what probably helped them get that big to begin with without drugs.[/quote]

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.[/quote]

Victor’s off season shape is still leaner than most people will ever get even if they are into bodybuilding. The man is doubtfully much over 8% body fat in that picture. Also, no one is doubting whether HE is on anabolics. You are the one who made the statement that no one could look like that. They may not match how filled out he is (especially since genetics like his are one in a million) or as dry (because if you think he jumped on stage even for a guest posing without dropping some water first you are sadly mistaken), but that doesn’t mean no one on Earth could ever get anywhere close to that level of size and conditioning naturally.

Instead of admitting it as a possibility you seem to still hold the position that it is impossible.

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Gillium-001 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i was at work the other day and was in the office with a couple of the other guys who work there just shooting the shit a little bit. i took of my shirt cause it was sweaty and just nasty feeling (i had a wifebeater on under) and one of them says “youre big” in a matter of fact kind of way.

Your comment started off like you were gonna tell us about your first gay encounter.

(Sorry, couldn’t help it. You kinda set yourself up there, brah.)

DAYUM![/quote]

I thought the next line was gonna say " and then he licked his lips"

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

Victor’s off season shape is still leaner than most people will ever get even if they are into bodybuilding. The man is doubtfully much over 8% body fat in that picture. Also, no one is doubting whether HE is on anabolics. You are the one who made the statement that no one could look like that. They may not match how filled out he is (especially since genetics like his are one in a million) or as dry (because if you think he jumped on stage even for a guest posing without dropping some water first you are sadly mistaken), but that doesn’t mean no one on Earth could ever get anywhere close to that level of size and conditioning naturally.

Instead of admitting it as a possibility you seem to still hold the position that it is impossible. [/quote]

Yes, to look like Victor you need to be on drugs. That’s all I’m saying. You are either 1)dancing around what I’m saying to say something else or 2)not understanding what I’m saying.

You haven’t seen posts like that on this or other boards? Random Joe Newb saying they want to look like a top 5 professional bodybuilder in the world but want to remain natural for life? You don’t find those posts laughable?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

Victor’s off season shape is still leaner than most people will ever get even if they are into bodybuilding. The man is doubtfully much over 8% body fat in that picture. Also, no one is doubting whether HE is on anabolics. You are the one who made the statement that no one could look like that. They may not match how filled out he is (especially since genetics like his are one in a million) or as dry (because if you think he jumped on stage even for a guest posing without dropping some water first you are sadly mistaken), but that doesn’t mean no one on Earth could ever get anywhere close to that level of size and conditioning naturally.

Instead of admitting it as a possibility you seem to still hold the position that it is impossible.

Yes, to look like Victor you need to be on drugs. That’s all I’m saying. You are either 1)dancing around what I’m saying to say something else or 2)not understanding what I’m saying.

You haven’t seen posts like that on this or other boards? Random Joe Newb saying they want to look like a top 5 professional bodybuilder in the world but want to remain natural for life? You don’t find those posts laughable?[/quote]

Its possible man. It seems like you are trying to avoid admitting the possiblity.

P.S. I was to curb stomp Danny Tanner

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.[/quote]

That doens’t matter, because many huge guys do not TRY to get lean. If they are already that big naturally, then there is no reason they couldn’t get that lean if they tried.

All of my friends that got into college ball are that big naturally, 250+, very low body fat not single digit. They aren’t going to even try to get leaner why should they.

So saying guys that big and lean are not natural is not proof that it cannot happen, because there’s a whole universe of guys out there who are that big and natural, but do not have the motivation to get that lean.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

Victor’s off season shape is still leaner than most people will ever get even if they are into bodybuilding. The man is doubtfully much over 8% body fat in that picture. Also, no one is doubting whether HE is on anabolics. You are the one who made the statement that no one could look like that. They may not match how filled out he is (especially since genetics like his are one in a million) or as dry (because if you think he jumped on stage even for a guest posing without dropping some water first you are sadly mistaken), but that doesn’t mean no one on Earth could ever get anywhere close to that level of size and conditioning naturally.

Instead of admitting it as a possibility you seem to still hold the position that it is impossible.

Yes, to look like Victor you need to be on drugs. That’s all I’m saying. You are either 1)dancing around what I’m saying to say something else or 2)not understanding what I’m saying.

You haven’t seen posts like that on this or other boards? Random Joe Newb saying they want to look like a top 5 professional bodybuilder in the world but want to remain natural for life? You don’t find those posts laughable?[/quote]

I do but for different reasons. Neither you nor I knows what the guy I spoke of earlier would look like should he diet down like most bodybuilders do. He is fine with the way he looks so the chances of him going on a chicken breast and protein shake diet for 3 months is slim to none.

The point I am making is it is a mistake to assume the best genetics in the world belong to known bodybuilders. Therefore, it is also a mistake to assume that no one could ever look similar to Vic without drugs. That is the only point I am making. No one is saying Vic himself is not using steroids.

People who make statements like you are why the entire country acts like everyone with any muscle on them at all is on steroids.

This is also why even if they are natural, no one will believe anyone much over 200lbs and lean actually is.

If some guy is weighing over 300 fucking pounds with no belly hanging over his pants with arms over 20", even if he is not lean at the moment, to say he can’t get lean without dropping 100lbs of lean body mass is retarded.

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[quote]chrisb71 wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

That doens’t matter, because many huge guys do not TRY to get lean. If they are already that big naturally, then there is no reason they couldn’t get that lean if they tried.

All of my friends that got into college ball are that big naturally, 250+, very low body fat not single digit. They aren’t going to even try to get leaner why should they.

So saying guys that big and lean are not natural is not proof that it cannot happen, because there’s a whole universe of guys out there who are that big and natural, but do not have the motivation to get that lean.[/quote]

You’re an idiot. A guy who is 5’9" and 275 pounds and 20% bf is nowhere near as big as Victor. Even if they tried to get lean they would be a relatively lean 230 pounds, hence not as big. You gotta follow along here…

Listen, ladies, I like X just as much as the next guy but people need to stop chiming in to ride his cock every time someone disagrees with him.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:

I used those numbers because that’s the size of Victor Martinez. Show me a guy who looks like Victor Martinez in off season shape who is not using drugs and I’ll be very impressed.

Other than that, the rest of your post about big guys not being lean is irrelevant. Sure there are plenty of guys that height and weight who are natural, but none of them are that lean. That’s all I’m getting at.

Victor’s off season shape is still leaner than most people will ever get even if they are into bodybuilding. The man is doubtfully much over 8% body fat in that picture. Also, no one is doubting whether HE is on anabolics. You are the one who made the statement that no one could look like that. They may not match how filled out he is (especially since genetics like his are one in a million) or as dry (because if you think he jumped on stage even for a guest posing without dropping some water first you are sadly mistaken), but that doesn’t mean no one on Earth could ever get anywhere close to that level of size and conditioning naturally.

Instead of admitting it as a possibility you seem to still hold the position that it is impossible.

Yes, to look like Victor you need to be on drugs. That’s all I’m saying. You are either 1)dancing around what I’m saying to say something else or 2)not understanding what I’m saying.

You haven’t seen posts like that on this or other boards? Random Joe Newb saying they want to look like a top 5 professional bodybuilder in the world but want to remain natural for life? You don’t find those posts laughable?

I do but for different reasons. [/quote]

Why do you find it funny?

While I can’t be positive, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t look like Victor Martinez.

[quote]
The point I am making is it is a mistake to assume the best genetics in the world belong to known bodybuilders. Therefore, it is also a mistake to assume that no one could ever look similar to Vic without drugs. That is the only point I am making. No one is saying Vic himself is not using steroids.[/quote]

Ok, I admit that throughout the history of time and all the history to come, there might be a few people ever that could look like Victor naturally. That doesn’t make it any less funny that some newbie schmuck training for 6 months thinks he’s one of them.

Absolutely not. Comparing Victor to someone with “any muscle on them” is like comparing Milli Vanilli to Metallica. One had a couple hit songs and Metallica is legendary. Victor has much more than a little muscle on him.

200 and 275 is much different.

Who said that?

I don’t get it, I didn’t even say anything controversial. You guys like to misconstrue shit to stir things up.

Let me ask you this: How would YOU respond to one of these posts?

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

Why do you find it funny?[/quote]

Because most of the people with the genetics to get anywhere near that big do NOT talk about their limitations and they learn early on how they adapt to training. They just do it like a Nike commercial. I was a skinny kid. The reason I’m not now is because I just got in the gym, lifted heavy shit and ate for several years not even questioning what I might or might not be able to do. I avoided measuring my wrists (as some used to say this showed how big you could be…bullshit) or listening to people tell me what I could or couldn’t do. Yes, I may be seen as having the genetics now, but no one was saying that when I only weighed 150lbs.

Tons of people talk about what they plan to do but few go ahead and do it.

[quote]

While I can’t be positive, I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t look like Victor Martinez.[/quote]

He’s a big boy and I only used him as an example. He has a very wide structure so while he may not esthetically ever come close, I am betting he is not one of the people you would ever try to limit face to face when it comes what he can or can’t do.

[quote]
Ok, I admit that throughout the history of time and all the history to come, there might be a few people ever that could look like Victor naturally. That doesn’t make it any less funny that some newbie schmuck training for 6 months thinks he’s one of them.[/quote]

He may or may not be. You won’t be able to tell either way until he puts a good 3-5 years into this.

[quote]

Absolutely not. Comparing Victor to someone with “any muscle on them” is like comparing Milli Vanilli to Metallica. One had a couple hit songs and Metallica is legendary. Victor has much more than a little muscle on him.[/quote]

So do most people who get accused of using steroids whether they have or not.

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This is also why even if they are natural, no one will believe anyone much over 200lbs and lean actually is.

200 and 275 is much different.[/quote]

Miss the point much?

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If some guy is weighing over 300 fucking pounds with no belly hanging over his pants with arms over 20", even if he is not lean at the moment, to say he can’t get lean without dropping 100lbs of lean body mass is retarded.

Who said that?

I don’t get it, I didn’t even say anything controversial. You guys like to misconstrue shit to stir things up.

Let me ask you this: How would YOU respond to one of these posts? [/quote]

That depends on who is making the statement. You can’t look at a straight up newb and jump to conclusions about where they might end up unless their entire structure is just FUBAR’d. Yes, you may be able to look at some people and tell from basic structure whether they have good genes for muscle size, but not all people show their final potential before they ever train seriously.

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Whenever I get into these tiffs on the internet, I can’t help but think of this picture and laugh.

But regarding your last post, I really don’t disagree with anything you wrote. However, I would feel confident in telling joe schmoe bodybuilder that he is not one of the few throughout history who could look like Victor Martinez without drugs. Like you said, anyone who could would just do it, right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Listen, if you are a newbie and you catch yourself making statements like,

-“Hey guys, I weigh 140lbs at 6’2” and my gut sticks out after I eat now that I am getting in 6 meals a day, should I start dieting?"

or

-“Do you have to gain weight to get big arms? Mine are 13” around right now and I weigh 135lbs but I want them to be closer to 20" but I don’t want to have to buy new pants."

Please realize that you were apparently born without common sense and either need to buy some from a dealer or return yourself for a newer model.

This also applies to those who only train twice a week because they fear overtraining even though their intensity level matches the occupants of the average hospital Maternity ward. Oooh, and don’t forget the ones who claim they only gain fat when they eat more food as if they don’t understand that you are supposed to work hard enough to promote a “fight or flight” response and by not doing so, all of that extra food sure as hell won’t be going to muscle tissue.

Some of us didn’t need specific lessons in things like this…but then, some of us actually looked at the world around us and did some observations that covered these areas long before we knew how to log onto the internet.

This has been a public service announcement. You are now returned to your scheduled programming including news stories designed to make the populace live in a constant state of fear.
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Get out of your ivory tower, so it’s common sense to assume that intense physical activity 3-4 days a week will lead to you getting fatter?

All you do is go around ripping into people for not knowing things that have taken you years to know. Try and give some helpful advice for once rather than being so arrogant all the time.

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If we’re quoting:

Malcolm Forbes:

The dumbest people I know are those who know it all.

You just turn up and spout your arrogance as if you started life as a bodybuilder with unlimited knowledge and no faults. People post in the beginners forum to learn from experienced lifters who are often willing to help out those who seek it. I understand that you are probably sick of the same questions, but we don’t all have over 20000 posts. This doesn’t mean we can’t lack similar motivation or drive, we’re just hitting initial hurdles to something many us are becoming increasingly passionate about. Get over yourself and let the beginners learn.

I saw this in the active forum’s bit in the bottom, I usually wouldn’t come to the bodybuilding forum yet, let the ripping me to pieces commence.

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[quote]PatMac wrote:

Interesting post.

But you are a doctor so what is common sense to you is likely well above anything that can be considered common sense to most.

Even your family thought you well harming yourself with the way you ate and trained (forgive me if I’m wrong here but I do remember a post a little while ago about how things got easier once you moved out). The point is that those who supplied your genetics AND your upbringing didn’t have the same common sense as you. You came by it elsewhere so to imply your knowledge is something easy to have is a mistake - you’ve earned it and try not to forget that it took a while to get it.

Newbie’s don’t have your understanding - if they did, they wouldn’t be newbie’s. It can be frustrating at times, but that’s the nature of helping others - they don’t know what they don’t know so they think they know a lot.[/quote]

Common sense implies basic knowledge of the way the world works with the ability to apply that knowledge effectively. Basic knowledge would be noticing that if you eat Thanksgiving dinner, your stomach sticks out a tad further than before that feast and this does not mean you necessarily gained enough body fat in that one day for that to be the cause. Therefore, if you start eating more food trying to gain weight, you should expect that your stomach will not look like it did when you were starving yourself weighing 135lbs. That is an example of common sense. You seem to get that mixed up with being ignorant of a specific subject.

No one is saying newbies should know as much as advanced trainers. However, some shit is just basic common knowledge along with the ability to open your eyes and look around you while making some observations.

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[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:

Get out of your ivory tower, so it’s common sense to assume that intense physical activity 3-4 days a week will lead to you getting fatter?[/quote]

What? What you just wrote doesn’t even make sense especially since no one wrote anything about getting fatter because you did intense physical activity 3-4 days a week. Why would someone get fatter because they trained even harder?

It took me years to understand eating more might mean my stomach isn’t flat as a board right after the meal?

What?

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[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
If we’re quoting:

Malcolm Forbes:

The dumbest people I know are those who know it all.

You just turn up and spout your arrogance as if you started life as a bodybuilder with unlimited knowledge and no faults. People post in the beginners forum to learn from experienced lifters who are often willing to help out those who seek it. I understand that you are probably sick of the same questions, but we don’t all have over 20000 posts. This doesn’t mean we can’t lack similar motivation or drive, we’re just hitting initial hurdles to something many us are becoming increasingly passionate about. Get over yourself and let the beginners learn.

I saw this in the active forum’s bit in the bottom, I usually wouldn’t come to the bodybuilding forum yet, let the ripping me to pieces commence.[/quote]

You need help. Seriously. This thread is not about expecting newbies to know everything that advanced lifters do.

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I like this thread. That’s it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
HiFiBoy wrote:
If we’re quoting:

Malcolm Forbes:

The dumbest people I know are those who know it all.

You just turn up and spout your arrogance as if you started life as a bodybuilder with unlimited knowledge and no faults. People post in the beginners forum to learn from experienced lifters who are often willing to help out those who seek it. I understand that you are probably sick of the same questions, but we don’t all have over 20000 posts. This doesn’t mean we can’t lack similar motivation or drive, we’re just hitting initial hurdles to something many us are becoming increasingly passionate about. Get over yourself and let the beginners learn.

I saw this in the active forum’s bit in the bottom, I usually wouldn’t come to the bodybuilding forum yet, let the ripping me to pieces commence.

You need help. Seriously. This thread is not about expecting newbies to know everything that advanced lifters do. [/quote]

I stick in the beginners forum because I want to learn and you pop up every now and again pull people down for asking ignorant beginner questions. You ‘popped’ up in my thread recently relating to a very similar topic and gave me no advice other than implying that I was too inept to realise that I would change shape because I was full all the time. Thanks for that.

It was coincidence that I happened upon this thread which is pretty much an indirect personal attack on me, when in my thread I never acknowledged any disbelief that I was putting on fat or changing shape, just that I wanted to keep it to a minimum.

I realise you are well respected around here but I didn’t find the comment at all helpful and it’s not the first time i’ve read your comments and thought, why?

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[quote]HiFiBoy wrote:
Professor X wrote:
HiFiBoy wrote:
If we’re quoting:

Malcolm Forbes:

The dumbest people I know are those who know it all.

You just turn up and spout your arrogance as if you started life as a bodybuilder with unlimited knowledge and no faults. People post in the beginners forum to learn from experienced lifters who are often willing to help out those who seek it. I understand that you are probably sick of the same questions, but we don’t all have over 20000 posts. This doesn’t mean we can’t lack similar motivation or drive, we’re just hitting initial hurdles to something many us are becoming increasingly passionate about. Get over yourself and let the beginners learn.

I saw this in the active forum’s bit in the bottom, I usually wouldn’t come to the bodybuilding forum yet, let the ripping me to pieces commence.

You need help. Seriously. This thread is not about expecting newbies to know everything that advanced lifters do.

I stick in the beginners forum because I want to learn and you pop up every now and again pull people down for asking ignorant beginner questions. You ‘popped’ up in my thread recently relating to a very similar topic and gave me no advice other than implying that I was too inept to realise that I would change shape because I was full all the time. Thanks for that.

It was coincidence that I happened upon this thread which is pretty much an indirect personal attack on me, when in my thread I never acknowledged any disbelief that I was putting on fat or changing shape, just that I wanted to keep it to a minimum.

I realise you are well respected around here but I didn’t find the comment at all helpful and it’s not the first time i’ve read your comments and thought, why?
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Good for you. I do not write anything on this board worried about what you think of it. You are a newbie too busy complaining about advice to actually learn from it. Have a great one.