[quote]waldo21212 wrote:
FYI for those still looking, I think common sense is on sale at Wal-Mart this week.[/quote]
This, like PX’s comment about purchasing common sense reminds me of the old burn “You need to get a life, they’re on sale at Wal-Mart!” back in elementary school. I feel so lame, hahaha.
[quote]Burst wrote:
waldo21212 wrote:
FYI for those still looking, I think common sense is on sale at Wal-Mart this week.
This, like PX’s comment about purchasing common sense reminds me of the old burn “You need to get a life, they’re on sale at Wal-Mart!” back in elementary school. I feel so lame, hahaha.[/quote]
they had wal-mart when you were in elementary school?
either wal-mart is a much older company than i thought or youre like 12
I have to agree countingbeans. Example: I was doing DB rows the same way I was doing them for years and didn’t know that they were labelled Kroc rows. I don’t blindly stand behind some guru’s eccentric training and dietary protocols. I don’t give a fuck if trainee A can do DB bench press on a giant yoga ball. I don’t give a fuck if you can do squats on a balance board with a cucumber up his ass. I simply don’t give a fuck. Did Arnold partake in such a form of “superior” weight training? King Coleman? People like cattle before slaughter merely follow the ass in front of him/her and don’t stop and think. Okay, I’m going to shut up now.
[quote]TPreuss wrote:
Common sense is no longer common. Neither is common knowledge or common courtesy.[/quote]
QFT
You could throw hard work and patience, too.
I have been gone for a while. Good to see X still preaching the good word. If you aren’t growing lift harder and eat more. If you start getting too (I consider around 18% subjective) fat eat one less sandwhich. If you don’t want to grow. Just go to the gym. Do same weight same reps and dont eat enough. I kinda like the current hawt abs rage. The trend is making me progressivly the biggest guy in the gym.
[quote]Beerguy wrote:
I kinda like the current hawt abs rage. The trend is making me progressivly the biggest guy in the gym. [/quote]
Ain’t that the damn truth Beerguy. Sure they can wipe their sweat with their extra medium UA muscle tees and flash their abs to the ladies but when my hoody comes off no amount of “hawt abz” flashing is going to make up for the 100lbs of senority I have on em. lol
[quote]So… seriously. Can someone please make a fucking Sticky or two at the top of the Bodybuilding page? It’s been needed for some time. Threads like “Super Slow for Strength?” and “Getting Heavier for Biceps Size?” are slaying me apart every time I log on to the forum.
Someone - X, C_C, Sento, whoever, needs to make it happen.[/quote]
C_C said he was going to, but he hasn’t yet.
Just something along the lines of “Basic Bodybuilding”. Sticky it at the top of the page here and at the Beginner forum. If you go to IM half the goddamned page is one giant sticky; the end result being that far less stupid questions get asked and everyone gets about their business.
That being said, on a forum as general as “Bodybuilding” the dumbfucks ye shall always have with you, imo.
I don’t really think it’s a lack of common sense as much as an attempt to find an excuse for failure out of fear. Training hard is scary if you’ve never done it before - it’s not that complex but it is very hard.
I just don’t believe that someone at, say, 6’ 150lbs really thinks they need to diet down. I find it easier to believe that that they’re like a kid standing at the edge of the deep pool for the first time, scared of what the heck might happen if they jump in and sticking their toe in, saying, “Mom, this water’s cold and I don’t wanna get sick, so I’m gonna get back in the kiddie-pool.”
I would dispute that. As someone who made some poorly informed decisions physique-wise not to long ago it’s not to hard for me to believe that people really are that clueless about their body. Which is why I’m usually inclined to point the newbies in the right direction.
All you can do is point, however.
[quote]JMB wrote:
I don’t really think it’s a lack of common sense as much as an attempt to find an excuse for failure out of fear. Training hard is scary if you’ve never done it before - it’s not that complex but it is very hard.
I just don’t believe that someone at, say, 6’ 150lbs really thinks they need to diet down. I find it easier to believe that that they’re like a kid standing at the edge of the deep pool for the first time, scared of what the heck might happen if they jump in and sticking their toe in, saying, “Mom, this water’s cold and I don’t wanna get sick, so I’m gonna get back in the kiddie-pool.”
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I can see what you’re getting at, a delusion of sorts.
However I think there’s a fundamental flaw in your analogy. The child standing at the edge of the pool is scared of the unknown, while the 6’ 150lbs trainee mentioned is afraid of the known. He is merely unwilling to put in the effort but is lacking the intellectual honesty to accept his decision and the responsibility that would come with it.
[quote]MaxPower99 wrote:
It seems the massive amounts of training routines (designed for all levels of athletes) are too complex for the beginner to sift through and select from.
Yes, what an understatement.
Why would we expect a beginner to see a huge amount of training programs and principles and just magically know which one is best for him, after all he is a beginner. The beginner will either jump between many routines, or build his own so called ‘optimal’ (bench/curls/abs) routine, based on his own limited knowledge. All bodybuilding/workout websites should have a workout for dummies sticky made by the mods where the beginner is not given options to confuse himself in deciding which workout is the ‘optimal’ or ‘best’ workout. If even the advanced trainers and mods cannot decide on a ‘very good’ workout to tell the beginners “Do this until you look like you workout”.
Some will say there is no best routine for everyone, which is true, but the concern is mis-information to noobs and a one-size-fits-all, shut-up-and-do-it approach is the one that hasn’t been tried yet.
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The stickies that are already in the beginner’s forum are really good. Props to vroom for his “Are you a Beginner II” Sticky:
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_beginner/are_you_a_beginner_ii
Usually when I answer a post on the beginner forum I tell them to read the stickies and if they still have questions after reading them they better be good ones.
On the same token, on a couple other boards I visit I’ve seen people post pictures of Victor Martinez and ask if it was possible to get that big naturally. To my dismay, a couple people responded that it was possible with really good genetics.
WTF? They must have meant world class genetics and drugs. Simple misunderstanding, right?
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
On the same token, on a couple other boards I visit I’ve seen people post pictures of Victor Martinez and ask if it was possible to get that big naturally. To my dismay, a couple people responded that it was possible with really good genetics.
WTF? They must have meant world class genetics and drugs. Simple misunderstanding, right?[/quote]
One of my frat brothers is 295lbs, not lean but no one you would call “fat” and hasn’t been in a gym since we last trained about 3 months ago (where he matched all of my lifts in weight). He dropped weight from 330lbs. He is not on drugs but was always that big kid in school. He graduated high school weighing over 250lbs.
Most of the people with genetics on that level are not into bodybuilding. I have known some true freaks over the years who only train every now and then yet clearly look like they could win some bodybuilding shows if they put half of the focus into it that many others do.
The bottom line is, the ones acting like no humans could ever look “something like that” naturally are about as clueless as those who think Vic is completely natural. The true freaks…the ones who look at weights and grow…are more likely to turn to professional sports than a bodybuilding stage unless they get injured.
Considering most on this site act like “14” arms on a man are average", they are likely also people who did not grow up around many other people with genetics greater than their own.
If a Ronnie Coleman exists…somewhere is someone with better genetics. That’s just life.
[quote]Gillium-001 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i was at work the other day and was in the office with a couple of the other guys who work there just shooting the shit a little bit. i took of my shirt cause it was sweaty and just nasty feeling (i had a wifebeater on under) and one of them says “youre big” in a matter of fact kind of way.
Your comment started off like you were gonna tell us about your first gay encounter.
(Sorry, couldn’t help it. You kinda set yourself up there, brah.)[/quote]
“BRAH”? Now THAT’S fucking GAY.
[quote]Gillium-001 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i was at work the other day and was in the office with a couple of the other guys who work there just shooting the shit a little bit. i took of my shirt cause it was sweaty and just nasty feeling (i had a wifebeater on under) and one of them says “youre big” in a matter of fact kind of way.
Your comment started off like you were gonna tell us about your first gay encounter.
(Sorry, couldn’t help it. You kinda set yourself up there, brah.)[/quote]
LMAO
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
On the same token, on a couple other boards I visit I’ve seen people post pictures of Victor Martinez and ask if it was possible to get that big naturally. To my dismay, a couple people responded that it was possible with really good genetics.
WTF? They must have meant world class genetics and drugs. Simple misunderstanding, right?
One of my frat brothers is 295lbs, not lean but no one you would call “fat” and hasn’t been in a gym since we last trained about 3 months ago (where he matched all of my lifts in weight). He dropped weight from 330lbs. He is not on drugs but was always that big kid in school. He graduated high school weighing over 250lbs.
Most of the people with genetics on that level are not into bodybuilding. I have known some true freaks over the years who only train every now and then yet clearly look like they could win some bodybuilding shows if they put half of the focus into it that many others do.
The bottom line is, the ones acting like no humans could ever look “something like that” naturally are about as clueless as those who think Vic is completely natural. The true freaks…the ones who look at weights and grow…are more likely to turn to professional sports than a bodybuilding stage unless they get injured.
Considering most on this site act like “14” arms on a man are average", they are likely also people who did not grow up around many other people with genetics greater than their own.
If a Ronnie Coleman exists…somewhere is someone with better genetics. That’s just life.[/quote]
I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.[/quote]
I think you are being obtuse on purpose. No one is going to get as dried out at 6% body fat or less without diuretics at that body weight. However, when you discuss this shit with newbies, if you tell them that no one can get to be that size (because most don’t know shit about conditioning or that diuretics are even used to get that ripped on stage) without drugs while also being lean, you would be dead wrong.
Being Mr. Olympia isn’t just about muscle size. It is also about CONDITIONING which at that level usually involves drugs designed to push water from the body. That is why the biggest risk to their health at that level is NOT steroids but the diuretics used and what they do pre-contest to get into that condition.
By telling people no one can look like Vic without drugs, you simply cause even more newbs to think anyone much over 220lbs must be using enough steroids to pump up a thoroughbred. Most people don’t know shit about what it takes to get that dry on stage therefore their comments are not geared towards just how dry they are.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Stuntman Mike wrote:
So I work out at the university rec center here at school. There are about 7-8 guys who are really serious and train regularly.
I saw one today in line at Wendy’s, sorta gave me a good feeling inside.
Because he was at Wendy’s or because he is a guy?
LOL!!!
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Damn Prof X, its like that homie?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.
I think you are being obtuse on purpose. No one is going to get as dried out at 6% body fat or less without diuretics at that body weight. However, when you discuss this shit with newbies, if you tell them that no one can get to be that size (because most don’t know shit abou conditioning or that diuretics are even used to get that ripped on stage) without drugs while also being lean, you would be dead wrong.
Being Mr. Olympia isn’t just about muscle size. It is also about CONDITIONING which at that level usually involves drugs designed to push water from the body. That is why the biggest risk to their health at that level is NOT steroids but the diuretics used and what they do pre-contest to get into that condition.
By telling people no one can look like Vic without drugs, you simply cause even more newbs to think anyone much over 220lbs must be using enough steroids to pump up a thoroughbred. Most people don’t know shit about what it takes to get that dry on stage therefore their comments are not geared towards just how dry they are.[/quote]
Disregarding diuretics and how dry he gets on stage, I’d be willing to bet every person out there who is 5’9" and 275 pounds, <8% bodyfat is on steroids (which is Vic’s offseason weight). If newbies are too stupid to realize that is much bigger than 220 pounds then they lack the common sense you’re speaking about in this thread. Hence my post.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
I don’t even know how to respond to this. If you’re saying there are people out there with awesome genetics that don’t lift weights, I agree. If you’re saying it’s possible for someone out there to be Mr. Olympia someday naturally, well then I must certainly disagree and leave it at that.
I think you are being obtuse on purpose. No one is going to get as dried out at 6% body fat or less without diuretics at that body weight. However, when you discuss this shit with newbies, if you tell them that no one can get to be that size (because most don’t know shit abou conditioning or that diuretics are even used to get that ripped on stage) without drugs while also being lean, you would be dead wrong.
Being Mr. Olympia isn’t just about muscle size. It is also about CONDITIONING which at that level usually involves drugs designed to push water from the body. That is why the biggest risk to their health at that level is NOT steroids but the diuretics used and what they do pre-contest to get into that condition.
By telling people no one can look like Vic without drugs, you simply cause even more newbs to think anyone much over 220lbs must be using enough steroids to pump up a thoroughbred. Most people don’t know shit about what it takes to get that dry on stage therefore their comments are not geared towards just how dry they are.
Disregarding diuretics and how dry he gets on stage, I’d be willing to bet every person out there who is 5’9" and 275 pounds, <8% bodyfat is on steroids (which is Vic’s offseason weight). If newbies are too stupid to realize that is much bigger than 220 pounds then they lack the common sense you’re speaking about in this thread. Hence my post.[/quote]
Whats up Sir Lanks Alot