Comic Character Battles

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 8:28pm

[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk

I like Hulk, but understand that the Thor, Juggs, and Superman have the brute strength to fight Hulk hand to hand, they also have mystical powers to fall back on. Not including Thor and Supes are faster, better fighters, can fly, etc.

World War Hulk was smart enough to know that he couldn’t stop Juggernaut once he’s in motion, which is why he used his momentum against him and tossed him. If it were a fight to the death, I’d give it to Juggs.[/quote]

I still say it depends on how long the fight lasts. They have the brute strength to figh him at first. If it goes long enough, he’ll get to a point where they don’t have the brute strength to keep up with him any more, they’d have to resort to different tactics (which Supes and Thor could from the start, so I’d probably give it to them as well). That’s how he usually wins fights against strong characters, is it not? He also has a healing factor and they don’t. So he can take more punishment than they can. This is relative, of course, since they can all take a fuck-load of punishment. But he’s gonna keep healing. Anything that happens to them will be a little more permanent.

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 8:42pm

[quote]critietaeta wrote:
goku vs superman!!![/quote]

I don’t know of any other make-believe story that has characters that get as powerful as the characters in Dragonball. About half-way through the Z series, I’d say they’re pulling away from the vast majority of Marvel or DC characters. Teleporting, having immense telekinesis, speed multiple times that of light, energy force production that can destroy whole planets with one little blast. It gets a bit ridiculous after a while and then it keeps going on after that for a long time.

As far as Goku vs. Superman, it all depends on what level Goku is that you’re talking about. Super-Saiyan Goku (when he first turns) and Superman would be a good fight, I guess (although I think Goku is already considerably faster than him at this point, since he was already capable of moving at the speed of light before reaching that point, if I’m not mistaken). Super-Saiyan 4 Goku and any character from that story that may be more powerful (never watched the GT series, so I don’t know) pawns all.

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 8:46pm

[quote]LTKO wrote:

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
Tdub, i’m pretty sure that Deadpool’s healing factor is stronger, since Wolverine’s has to deal with his Adamantium skeleton. Without the Adamantium, his healing factor would rival Deadpool’s.

Wade has survived multiple beheadings, also.[/quote]

From what I’ve read, the strength of his healing factor has changed multiple times. I don’t even rememnber how he got it, cuz I don’t think it’s a mutant power. But I may be wrong… so I just gauged it that way. I was really more trying to explain what Deadpool is like to Wol since he made it seem like he doesn’t know much about the character (which frankly surprises the shit out of me). But I wouldn’t argue with you if you said it was as strong or even stronger than Wolverine’s.[/quote]

i have the comic(a civil war one i believe) where nitro basically fried everything off wolvering, leaving only the adamantium skeleton and he actually “healed” himself back. (wtf??) apparently he had some pact with the angel of death or something. but he broke off the pact cause life was getting boring with that level of healing(felt his reactions/skills were getting duller) and broke the pact.[/quote]

Well we were talking about how powerful Deadpool’s healing factor is. It gets to a certain point where you wonder, what exactly COULD kill them. Could Deadpool or Sabertooth or any other character with a healing factor heal if all but a tiny little portion of his body were incinerated? My understanding was that cutting off their head would get the job done, but if Deadpool survived it on different occasions, then I guess I’m wrong about that.

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 8:48pm

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]redstar144 wrote:
Specify pre retcon or post retcon molecule man. Pre is easily a top 5 all time marvel character. He fought the Beyonder. He would crush Manhattan. [/quote]

Pre retcon , Secret Wars MM was defeated. Manhattan’s relative detachment would be an advantage. He can’t be goaded or manipulated like MM. If you’re going to make distinctions between different versions of the same character, then the Hawkeye/ Bullseye match could be ended simply by saying that Bullseye took the Hawkeye mantle in Dark Avengers, so he’d be fighting himself and he’d win no matter what…

If one combatant gets prep time, so does the other. [/quote]

I think if Punisher and Nick both got prep time, it would still be a good fight, but much more entertaining.

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 9:09pm

[quote]redstar144 wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Batman vs. Punisher

Batman vs. Ironman

Martian Manhunter vs. Silver Surfer

Green Lantern vs. Magneto

The Flash vs. The Hulk

Aquaman vs. Namor

The Joker vs. Professor Xavier

Ra’s al Ghul vs. The Punisher[/quote]

Batman- better fighter, smarter, utility belt
Ironman- too much raw power
Surfer- too many different abilities
Green Lantern- much more powerful
Flash-Hulk can’t do anything to him
Dont know enough about Namor or Aquaman to comment.
Xavier-even if he can’t mind control Joker he could shut down his brainwaves
Ra’s-better fighter, smarter[/quote]

Punisher has gadgets of his own. But I think I’d give it to Batman, too. Although, Punisher has a lot more weapons of the explosive variety than Batman does. That coupled with his willingness to kill the person he’s fighting (I don’t think he’d be trying to kill Batman, though) levels the playing field a bit, so it may go either way.

If there’s prep time, I’d put Batman above Iron Man. He’d use an EMP or a strong magnet or something and immobilize Iron Man. An impromptu fight, Batman can’t compete with the powers of Stark’s suit, he’s only human after all and his utility belt weapons wouldn’t do much to help.

After reading Wiki, it actually sounds like Martian Manhunter and Silver Surfer are pretty similar… I’m not sure who would win, but I’m sure it would be a good fight. My Marvel bias makes me think Silver Surfer and the power cosmic would be stronger than MMH.

You sure Green Lantern is more powerful? Magneto has done some crazy stuff like suspending Asteroid M for example. That can’t be easy… I also think any fight with Magneto depends on the setting. Are they in a place with a lot of metal around? Like a city? Or are they in the middle of the desert? It makes a difference in my opinion.

I’m not sure what Flash would do to beat Hulk, either. His attacks wouldn’t be strong enough to really hurt Hulk. I think that would be a stalemate. “Stupid fast man won’t stand still!!!”

I think Namor is one of the stronger Marvel characters. Like with strength that would be on par with Thor or Abomination. But I think Aquaman is also that strong, but not if he’s out of the water. So I guess it depends on the setting again. Are they in or out of the water?

Prof. X and any other strong telepath pretty much owns most all DC characters.

Don’t know much about Ra’s as Ghul, so I couldn’t comment on that last matchup.

system · February 13, 2012, 9:18pm

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

[quote]LTKO wrote:

[quote]TDub301 wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:
Tdub, i’m pretty sure that Deadpool’s healing factor is stronger, since Wolverine’s has to deal with his Adamantium skeleton. Without the Adamantium, his healing factor would rival Deadpool’s.

Wade has survived multiple beheadings, also.[/quote]

From what I’ve read, the strength of his healing factor has changed multiple times. I don’t even rememnber how he got it, cuz I don’t think it’s a mutant power. But I may be wrong… so I just gauged it that way. I was really more trying to explain what Deadpool is like to Wol since he made it seem like he doesn’t know much about the character (which frankly surprises the shit out of me). But I wouldn’t argue with you if you said it was as strong or even stronger than Wolverine’s.[/quote]

i have the comic(a civil war one i believe) where nitro basically fried everything off wolvering, leaving only the adamantium skeleton and he actually “healed” himself back. (wtf??) apparently he had some pact with the angel of death or something. but he broke off the pact cause life was getting boring with that level of healing(felt his reactions/skills were getting duller) and broke the pact.[/quote]

Well we were talking about how powerful Deadpool’s healing factor is. It gets to a certain point where you wonder, what exactly COULD kill them. Could Deadpool or Sabertooth or any other character with a healing factor heal if all but a tiny little portion of his body were incinerated? My understanding was that cutting off their head would get the job done, but if Deadpool survived it on different occasions, then I guess I’m wrong about that.[/quote]
The Gorgon(who can kill anyone) killed Wolverine a few years ago, then the Hand brought him back as an evil assassin, the Murmassa(sp) blade, forged from all Wolverine’s anger can kill him and Daken had his claw dipped in the melted metal. Wolverine also used the Murmassa to kill Romulus and Sabretooth however Sabretooth has just come back from the dead again. The current Deadpool storyline has Deadpool looking to die and his mishealed doppolganger was killed by dart that countered his healing factor and now Wade is looking for that

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 9:26pm

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Taskmaster vs. Batman

Punisher Vs. Red Hood

Carnage Vs. Joker

The Question Vs. Rorschach

Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow

Thanos Vs. Darkseid[/quote]

Taskmaster’s a mutant with photographic reflexes he beats the pedo Bat

Punisher beats Hood only because Frank is a mean old man who just won’t die

Trick fight The Question is Rorschach(Moore based his Watchmen on the Carlton books)

Bullseye wins he’s just crazier

Darkseid is a god and commands the Omega Beams Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet is no match for that[/quote]

What? Thanos is a beast without the Infinity Gauntlets. I go with Thanos. [/quote]

These 2 characters are also actually pretty similar, good match-up. Thanos is a mutant Titan. The Titans are similar to the god-race that Darkseid is a part of. But he is more powerful than any other Titan and also has augmented his abilities with technology and with help from Death itself, who he has a relationship of sorts with. He is a force to be reckoned with in the Marvel universe even if he doesn’t have the Infinity Gauntlet. I’d say that would be a good fight, not sure who would win.

TDub301 · February 13, 2012, 9:33pm

[quote]kevinm1 wrote:

[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Taskmaster vs. Batman

Punisher Vs. Red Hood

Carnage Vs. Joker

The Question Vs. Rorschach

Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow

Thanos Vs. Darkseid[/quote]

Taskmaster’s a mutant with photographic reflexes he beats the pedo Bat

Punisher beats Hood only because Frank is a mean old man who just won’t die

Trick fight The Question is Rorschach(Moore based his Watchmen on the Carlton books)

Bullseye wins he’s just crazier

Darkseid is a god and commands the Omega Beams Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet is no match for that[/quote]

Any match-up with Joker all depends on the circumstances. In a hand-to-hand fight, Joker would get ripped to shreds by Carnage.

But Joker doesn’t work that way, he’d devise some hellish plot to engulf Carnage. It would probably be a bit easy really, since Carnage is pretty one-sided. Joker would find some way to play to Carnage’s blood-thirst and trap him in some situation he couldn’t get out of without ever actually fighting him. With all that being said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they ended up teaming up.

redstar144 · February 13, 2012, 10:10pm