[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Lex Luthor vs Iron Man
Loki vs Darkseid
Fin Fang Foom vs Beast Boy
Bucky vs Robin[/quote]
The only ones i really know anything about are Bucky and robin, and i would have to hand that to Bucky based on the fact that Bucky has a lot more experience than Robin and he uses guns. Definitely Bucky if we include there alter egos the winter soldier and night wing, stronger, more experienced, and better equipped than Batman’s former cum dumpster.
Taskmaster vs. Batman
Punisher Vs. Red Hood
Carnage Vs. Joker
The Question Vs. Rorschach
Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow
Thanos Vs. Darkseid
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Lex Luthor vs Iron Man
[/quote]
Luthor’s battle suit was built to combat Superman, so much of the Kryptonite- based weaponry would be useless against a human. If the suit isn’t powerful enough to match Supes without using Kryptonite to weaken him (thus giving us a false impression of the suit’s capabilities), then Stark has a real chance - even with standard armor.
If the extremis or Hulkbuster suits are involved, Stark wins. In a fan-tasy like this, there’s no reason why Stark couldn’t double up on the extremis and Hulkbuster.
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
I’d like to see this happen personally (if it hasn’t already).[/quote]
It has 
Batman has wielded the ring on several occasions, was even offered a yellow ring once because of his great capacity to instill fear.
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Taskmaster vs. Batman
Punisher Vs. Red Hood
Carnage Vs. Joker
The Question Vs. Rorschach
Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow
Thanos Vs. Darkseid[/quote]
Taskmaster’s a mutant with photographic reflexes he beats the pedo Bat
Punisher beats Hood only because Frank is a mean old man who just won’t die
Trick fight The Question is Rorschach(Moore based his Watchmen on the Carlton books)
Bullseye wins he’s just crazier
Darkseid is a god and commands the Omega Beams Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet is no match for that
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
I’d like to see this happen personally (if it hasn’t already).[/quote]
It has
Batman has wielded the ring on several occasions, was even offered a yellow ring once because of his great capacity to instill fear.[/quote]
I don’t beleive Batman has ever had a green ring except in Elseworlds he was offered a yellow ring becuase of his use of fear
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
I’d like to see this happen personally (if it hasn’t already).[/quote]
It has
Batman has wielded the ring on several occasions, was even offered a yellow ring once because of his great capacity to instill fear.[/quote]
I don’t beleive Batman has ever had a green ring except in Elseworlds he was offered a yellow ring becuase of his use of fear[/quote]
He’s had it for a short time on several occasions but you would have to go back a while. He was even given a white ring for a moment in Brightest Day. It never stayed though, it was always just a short time/moment. I would have to dig deep to find it. I remember in the JLA that one time Green Lantern was taken out and Batman used the ring till it was out of juice but that might be as far back as the 80’s.
And once, when Hal Jorden and Batman were having issues Hal let him use the ring. It was in the Green Lantern series and Batman made a guest appearance.
In Elseworlds he did become a Green Lantern, you are right.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Batman vs. Punisher
[/quote]
That has been done twice: Punisher & Batman - Deadly Knights and Batman & Punisher - Lake of Fire.
You might get a kick out of this:
Batman vs Hulk:
IGNORE FIRST 40 SECONDS!
Hulk Superman, watch the whole thing to get an idea:
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Batman vs. Punisher
[/quote]
That has been done twice: Punisher & Batman - Deadly Knights and Batman & Punisher - Lake of Fire.
You might get a kick out of this:
Also in Justice League Avengers there is a reference to the Bat beating the shit out of Castle because he is killing criminals
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Taskmaster vs. Batman
Punisher Vs. Red Hood
Carnage Vs. Joker
The Question Vs. Rorschach
Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow
Thanos Vs. Darkseid[/quote]
Taskmaster’s a mutant with photographic reflexes he beats the pedo Bat
Punisher beats Hood only because Frank is a mean old man who just won’t die
Trick fight The Question is Rorschach(Moore based his Watchmen on the Carlton books)
Bullseye wins he’s just crazier
Darkseid is a god and commands the Omega Beams Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet is no match for that[/quote]
What? Thanos is a beast without the Infinity Gauntlets. I go with Thanos.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk
[/quote]
Thank you. I like Hulk too. But something something about brute strength leads me to believe there are limitations. In space, vs. magic. [/quote]
It all depends on how you view ‘magic’ in comics. Most readers treat magic and science as separate qualities. Magic- based characters are usually said to be able to beat science-based characters (and I would classify Superman as science-based, BTW) because science must have limits and rules at some point.
I hold all comic characters to Arthur C. Clarke’s third law of sci-fi: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Under this law, magic is a branch of science so advanced that we lack the development to perceive it as anything other than mystical power, which has no constraints as it has no clear origin.
Another interpretation would be that the concept of magic exists to house beliefs that can’t be explained by science. When they can be explained by science they automatically become part of science.
In recent years, writers have suggested that Marvel’s pantheon of Norse gods aren’t gods at all but actually a race of technologically-advanced aliens. These changes have occurred in part because writers have been influenced by authors outside of comic books, like Clarke (many of these influences didn’t exist when Thor made his debut: at that time we believed there were little green men on Mars).
This change in thinking levels the playing field for a match-up between Thor and Hulk. Where it was previously thought that Thor could beat Hulk because magic has dominion over science, it is now possible that Thor’s powers are based in science. The question then becomes: "can Hulk’s powers grow to surpass those of an advanced alien?
[/quote]
Thor in the 616 universe is a God.
I don’t know what the movie or the Ultimates line is trying to sell, but Thor is the God of Thunder.
[quote]cct wrote:
[quote]Otto the Ecto wrote:
^ Dammit you beat me to it!
My bet is on Goku, since Superman is a homo.
[/quote]
Tough call. Soulja By seems to like both.[/quote]
Ahahaha… Good call.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk
[/quote]
Thank you. I like Hulk too. But something something about brute strength leads me to believe there are limitations. In space, vs. magic. [/quote]
It all depends on how you view ‘magic’ in comics. Most readers treat magic and science as separate qualities. Magic- based characters are usually said to be able to beat science-based characters (and I would classify Superman as science-based, BTW) because science must have limits and rules at some point.
I hold all comic characters to Arthur C. Clarke’s third law of sci-fi: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Under this law, magic is a branch of science so advanced that we lack the development to perceive it as anything other than mystical power, which has no constraints as it has no clear origin.
Another interpretation would be that the concept of magic exists to house beliefs that can’t be explained by science. When they can be explained by science they automatically become part of science.
In recent years, writers have suggested that Marvel’s pantheon of Norse gods aren’t gods at all but actually a race of technologically-advanced aliens. These changes have occurred in part because writers have been influenced by authors outside of comic books, like Clarke (many of these influences didn’t exist when Thor made his debut: at that time we believed there were little green men on Mars).
This change in thinking levels the playing field for a match-up between Thor and Hulk. Where it was previously thought that Thor could beat Hulk because magic has dominion over science, it is now possible that Thor’s powers are based in science. The question then becomes: "can Hulk’s powers grow to surpass those of an advanced alien?
[/quote]
Thor in the 616 universe is a God.
I don’t know what the movie or the Ultimates line is trying to sell, but Thor is the God of Thunder.
[/quote]
That’s his title. But he and the other Asgardians were worshipped and deified by humans whose evolution was revealed to be guided by beings of greater power (The Eternals, who in turn were given life by an even more powerful race called Celestials).
Neither the Olympians or Norse gods created humans (they couldn’t both have created them), so the gods themselves fabricated some of their own mythology to reinforce their position as gods in the eyes of humans, when in actuality they are ‘god-like’.
There is an oblique reference to Arthur C. Clarke’s law in the movie (by the campfire when Thor tries to explain to Jane Foster what he is). Jack Kirby has cited Clarke’s Childhood’s End and Erich Von Danikin’s Chariots of the Gods as influences on his Eternals Saga - both Childhood’s End and Chariots explore the idea that humans were created by an alien civilisation and the legacy of this advanced race has left its imprint in religion and mythology…
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk
[/quote]
Thank you. I like Hulk too. But something something about brute strength leads me to believe there are limitations. In space, vs. magic. [/quote]
It all depends on how you view ‘magic’ in comics. Most readers treat magic and science as separate qualities. Magic- based characters are usually said to be able to beat science-based characters (and I would classify Superman as science-based, BTW) because science must have limits and rules at some point.
I hold all comic characters to Arthur C. Clarke’s third law of sci-fi: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Under this law, magic is a branch of science so advanced that we lack the development to perceive it as anything other than mystical power, which has no constraints as it has no clear origin.
Another interpretation would be that the concept of magic exists to house beliefs that can’t be explained by science. When they can be explained by science they automatically become part of science.
In recent years, writers have suggested that Marvel’s pantheon of Norse gods aren’t gods at all but actually a race of technologically-advanced aliens. These changes have occurred in part because writers have been influenced by authors outside of comic books, like Clarke (many of these influences didn’t exist when Thor made his debut: at that time we believed there were little green men on Mars).
This change in thinking levels the playing field for a match-up between Thor and Hulk. Where it was previously thought that Thor could beat Hulk because magic has dominion over science, it is now possible that Thor’s powers are based in science. The question then becomes: "can Hulk’s powers grow to surpass those of an advanced alien?
[/quote]
Thor in the 616 universe is a God.
I don’t know what the movie or the Ultimates line is trying to sell, but Thor is the God of Thunder.
[/quote]
That’s his title. But he and the other Asgardians were worshipped and deified by humans whose evolution was revealed to be guided by beings of greater power (The Eternals, who in turn were given life be an even more powerful race called Celestials).
Neither the Olympians or Norse gods created humans (they couldn’t both have created them), so the gods themselves fabricated some of their own mythology to reinforce their position as gods in the eyes of humans, when in actuality they are ‘god-like’.
There is an oblique reference to Arthur C. Clarke’s law in the movie (by the campfire when Thor tries to explain to Jane Foster what he is). Jack Kirby has cited Clarke’s Childhood’s End and Erich Von Danikin’s Chariots of the Gods as influences on his Eternals Saga - both Childhood’s End and Chariots explore the idea that humans were created by an alien civilisation and the legacy of this advanced race has left its imprint in religion and mythology…[/quote]
So in layman’s term, you’re saying Asgardians(Thor and Odin included) are advanced aliens and not divine mystical beings?
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk
[/quote]
Thank you. I like Hulk too. But something something about brute strength leads me to believe there are limitations. In space, vs. magic. [/quote]
It all depends on how you view ‘magic’ in comics. Most readers treat magic and science as separate qualities. Magic- based characters are usually said to be able to beat science-based characters (and I would classify Superman as science-based, BTW) because science must have limits and rules at some point.
I hold all comic characters to Arthur C. Clarke’s third law of sci-fi: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Under this law, magic is a branch of science so advanced that we lack the development to perceive it as anything other than mystical power, which has no constraints as it has no clear origin.
Another interpretation would be that the concept of magic exists to house beliefs that can’t be explained by science. When they can be explained by science they automatically become part of science.
In recent years, writers have suggested that Marvel’s pantheon of Norse gods aren’t gods at all but actually a race of technologically-advanced aliens. These changes have occurred in part because writers have been influenced by authors outside of comic books, like Clarke (many of these influences didn’t exist when Thor made his debut: at that time we believed there were little green men on Mars).
This change in thinking levels the playing field for a match-up between Thor and Hulk. Where it was previously thought that Thor could beat Hulk because magic has dominion over science, it is now possible that Thor’s powers are based in science. The question then becomes: "can Hulk’s powers grow to surpass those of an advanced alien?
[/quote]
Thor in the 616 universe is a God.
I don’t know what the movie or the Ultimates line is trying to sell, but Thor is the God of Thunder.
[/quote]
That’s his title. But he and the other Asgardians were worshipped and deified by humans whose evolution was revealed to be guided by beings of greater power (The Eternals, who in turn were given life be an even more powerful race called Celestials).
Neither the Olympians or Norse gods created humans (they couldn’t both have created them), so the gods themselves fabricated some of their own mythology to reinforce their position as gods in the eyes of humans, when in actuality they are ‘god-like’.
There is an oblique reference to Arthur C. Clarke’s law in the movie (by the campfire when Thor tries to explain to Jane Foster what he is). Jack Kirby has cited Clarke’s Childhood’s End and Erich Von Danikin’s Chariots of the Gods as influences on his Eternals Saga - both Childhood’s End and Chariots explore the idea that humans were created by an alien civilisation and the legacy of this advanced race has left its imprint in religion and mythology…[/quote]
So in layman’s term, you’re saying Asgardians(Thor and Odin included) are advanced aliens and not divine mystical beings?
[/quote]
It’s implied that they could be advanced aliens, even in mainstream continuity, thanks to the influence of Clarke and Danikin. In the MU, Norse and Olympian gods are treated much differently to their real-world counterparts. There, Asgard and Olympia are seen to co-exist, whereas for us they are separate sets of mythology and belief.
A third mythology, greater in scope than Norse or Greek myth, was needed to allow for the existence of both in the MU.
History shows us that divine ‘cross-overs’ tend not to work out that well in real life.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
[quote]Hell-Billy wrote:
Taskmaster vs. Batman
Punisher Vs. Red Hood
Carnage Vs. Joker
The Question Vs. Rorschach
Bullseye Vs. GreenArrow
Thanos Vs. Darkseid[/quote]
Taskmaster’s a mutant with photographic reflexes he beats the pedo Bat
Punisher beats Hood only because Frank is a mean old man who just won’t die
Trick fight The Question is Rorschach(Moore based his Watchmen on the Carlton books)
Bullseye wins he’s just crazier
Darkseid is a god and commands the Omega Beams Thanos without the Infinity Gauntlet is no match for that[/quote]
What? Thanos is a beast without the Infinity Gauntlets. I go with Thanos. [/quote]
That’s because you’re a marvel shill ;), but Darkseid also has the anti-life equation he would fuck up that purple alien so fast he wouldn’t be able to say momma
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
Thor > Hulk
Juggernaut > Hulk
Superman > Hulk
[/quote]
Thank you. I like Hulk too. But something something about brute strength leads me to believe there are limitations. In space, vs. magic. [/quote]
It all depends on how you view ‘magic’ in comics. Most readers treat magic and science as separate qualities. Magic- based characters are usually said to be able to beat science-based characters (and I would classify Superman as science-based, BTW) because science must have limits and rules at some point.
I hold all comic characters to Arthur C. Clarke’s third law of sci-fi: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Under this law, magic is a branch of science so advanced that we lack the development to perceive it as anything other than mystical power, which has no constraints as it has no clear origin.
Another interpretation would be that the concept of magic exists to house beliefs that can’t be explained by science. When they can be explained by science they automatically become part of science.
In recent years, writers have suggested that Marvel’s pantheon of Norse gods aren’t gods at all but actually a race of technologically-advanced aliens. These changes have occurred in part because writers have been influenced by authors outside of comic books, like Clarke (many of these influences didn’t exist when Thor made his debut: at that time we believed there were little green men on Mars).
This change in thinking levels the playing field for a match-up between Thor and Hulk. Where it was previously thought that Thor could beat Hulk because magic has dominion over science, it is now possible that Thor’s powers are based in science. The question then becomes: "can Hulk’s powers grow to surpass those of an advanced alien?
[/quote]
Thor in the 616 universe is a God.
I don’t know what the movie or the Ultimates line is trying to sell, but Thor is the God of Thunder.
[/quote]
That’s his title. But he and the other Asgardians were worshipped and deified by humans whose evolution was revealed to be guided by beings of greater power (The Eternals, who in turn were given life be an even more powerful race called Celestials).
Neither the Olympians or Norse gods created humans (they couldn’t both have created them), so the gods themselves fabricated some of their own mythology to reinforce their position as gods in the eyes of humans, when in actuality they are ‘god-like’.
There is an oblique reference to Arthur C. Clarke’s law in the movie (by the campfire when Thor tries to explain to Jane Foster what he is). Jack Kirby has cited Clarke’s Childhood’s End and Erich Von Danikin’s Chariots of the Gods as influences on his Eternals Saga - both Childhood’s End and Chariots explore the idea that humans were created by an alien civilisation and the legacy of this advanced race has left its imprint in religion and mythology…[/quote]
So in layman’s term, you’re saying Asgardians(Thor and Odin included) are advanced aliens and not divine mystical beings?
[/quote]
It’s implied that they could be advanced aliens, even in mainstream continuity, thanks to the influence of Clarke and Danikin. In the MU, Norse and Olympian gods are treated much differently to their real-world counterparts. There, Asgard and Olympia are seen to co-exist, whereas for us they are separate sets of mythology and belief.
A third mythology, greater in scope than Norse or Greek myth, was needed to allow for the existence of both in the MU.
History shows us that divine ‘cross-overs’ tend not to work out that well in real life.
[/quote]
I’ll have to consult my Marvel enc. again, but the way they explained it was to the effect that they are not actual gods, but god-like. This was more towards the immortal thing, they do have a life-span that is just extended far beyond that of humans.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]TDub301 wrote:
Not sure what he’d do to beat her since he wouldn’t be able to do anything to her unless she attacked him and she’s stronger than he is so he couldn’t hurt her in any other way if he can’t use his power. As far as Absorbing Man, it would be interesting, IMO.[/quote]
Unless Shaw provokes Creel into attacking him before Rogue can touch him…[/quote]
Good point. Were it just the 2 of them, though, not sure what he’d do. Maybe he could piss her off and get her to attack him full-on? In which case, since she’s got super-strength (assuming she didn’t lose it recently, as some have mentioned) then he could draw considerable power out of her punches.