Combat Sports/Training Discussion

:joy: I can totally relate to this. I sometimes go wrestlihg with a family friend who is like… Professional, like Commonwealth games/Olympic level shit.

One time we were sparring and I almost managed to pull off a move and he said “very good! That’s fantastic”. Or something alongside the lines of that and I said “really? You just pinned me like ten times…”

What makes it even more impressive is that I’m 25lbs heavier than he is. The way he moves… So explosive, so agile! It’s unbelievable

You mean you fought the guy?

If it was actually a friendly sparring match you wouldn’t have to worry about his friends.

Sparring also doesn’t generally allow for many Krav Maga tactics because I don’t think you can eye gouge, hit someone in the nuts or punch someone in the throat in a manner that is safe.

Krav Maga is designed to hurt, combat sports are designed to be sports. Though they also make someone fairly proficient at hurting someone provided it isn’t like… Aikido…

Well I was not ever speaking about knifes and multiple opponents. I dont think you should fight someone with a weapon if you know they have a weapon. Nor you should try to fight multiple opponents.

I am not a top guy in fighting. 3 years of boxing and 1 year of dutch kick boxing. I know my limitations. I can probably win a fight against the average joe if he is my size and level of athleticism. But I am not winning against someone currently practicing. I have lost all of my habits. Sports fighting is all about drilling.

Everyone in the fight sport is complimenting and supporting in general. They need people to become better in order to have better partners.

Here I kind of disagree. If you are fighting someone with experience you cant end up shit in 2 seconds. From a striking perspective to land a significant strike you need the other one to tire a bit get a couple of non significant strikes before hand. Sure if you are fighting the average Joe a jab is easy to land, cause their stance and measuring distance is not good enough.

No it was a streetfight. I just turned into a kickboxing match and i could easely get punched in the back of my head.

Thats why its called an - attack. Idk how it is where you are from, but in my country people dont really ask you to participate. They dont care. If you dont want to participate its just easier for them :smiley:

Ok, i exaggerated a bit.
Statistically average street confrontation lasts 4-7 seconds.

I get the feeling you havent seen much real fights. A jab is almost never used in a fight. Its a sports thing.
Most popular attack with hands is the so called “haymaker”.
A jab is a tactical punch ment to be followed by something. When someone wants to fuck you up in the street, 99 times out of 100 they wont use a jab. Its always either a haymaker or somewhat of a straight-right.

Because of street cams, police reports and medical records available nowdays, we dont have to guess. We actually do have years and years worth of statistics about all this.
A good self defense organisation studies this data and updates their shit at least twice a year. You can actually find how the curriculum has changed in 30 years, because the level of agression, weapon availability and knowledge of violence has changed.
For example, in the organisation i work, some of the stuff we used to teach after 2-3 years of training, in latest curriculum has been moved to year one. Apparently, the tendencies change year to year this semester.

Statistically how many attacks there are? In my experience, I have never been “attacked”, my fights have been mostly with people I know. I have a bar fight, but I was not attacked.

Well I know what people use. But I am always reliant on my jab. It is a pretty long, very accurate and quick punch. If you have been boxing you should develop a pretty good and strong jab. And I have to disagree, it is a pretty strong punch, I never had to follow up in a street fight after a jab. I have been in a few fights. I just go forward and either jab or a left hook slap. I actually knocked a guy down with a left hook slap. It is not that he did not get up immediatelly with pants pissed and started shouting at me, but the fight was over.

Here a sports thing. Some jab knock outs. Just the second Golovkin jab knock out is pretty impressive.

IMO, most fights are just people shouting, a few over hand punches, then someone shouting “leave him Terry he’s not worth it!”
Then everyone walks off saying they won and they order more drinks.

If I had started this thread I think I’d have asked people to comment if they had been in a situation
Where they really felt in danger for their life.
They or the attacker had to go to hospital afterwards.
They or the attacker were arrested afterwards.
Weapons involved (the attacker)
Weapons involved (you)
Court case involved.
The attackers friends kicked the shit out of you after you “won” against their friend.
You did everything text book but the drunk/drugged bastard still kept coming until the law arrived.
He did everything perfect but as you were a drunk bastard you kept coming.

The more you can tick off that list means the more I’d take your advice about reallife situations (and also BTW not go out drinking with you) otherwise to me, you sound like a Terry.

" An estimated 1.9 million women and 3.2 million men are physically assaulted annually in the United States."
And thats the movie country. So you can guess that countries like mine, are much worse. Its just that our people dont call the police cuz its pointless, so we dont have statistics :smiley:

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Fuck, I did not there were that many. I guess I have to appreciate the fact I live in a peaceful place.

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My name is Ryan Goyette, and I am purple belt Brazillian Jiu Jitsu competitor. I have been training for 7 years and competing for two years. I’ve also been lucky enough to stay away from any long term injuries during my time in the sport.

It’s hard to say what specific techniques are the best for multiple reasons. For one, everybody’s leverages are drastically different, what works for me could very well be useless to somebody else. Along with leverages, people’s individual gameplans and sequences are going to vary to a great degree. Purely from the competitive standpoint, I would say that having a strong wrestling or guard pulling system, having a great Torreando passing sequence for an open guard opponent, and a great sequence of positional escapes/sweeps on bottom will make you a deadly competitor.

Though there is a large variance in strategies one can use to win competition, Self Defense requires a different approach. You need to consider weapons, striking, pavement slams, legal ramifications, and the number of opponents. If your opponent is drastically larger than you are, they have a weapon, or they have buddies, you need to become a phenomenal runner, and have 911 at the ready. If there is no avoiding an altercation with some drunk nutjob, your best bet is to obtain some sort of body lock clinch, take your opponent down, and mount them until help arrives. This keeps you from being hit, it fully controls your opponent, and it saves you a lot of legal heart ache.

That said, your best technique to dealing with any competitive or self defense scenario is consistent training. If you no confidence executing your sequences on resisting opponents, your hardwork and research is useless. And when it comes to learning techniques, the best individuals to reference for BJJ competition are John Danaher, Gordon Ryan, and Mikey Musumeci. For self defense, John Danaher, Bas Rutten, and Khabib Nurmagomedov. In general, you should always study the best of their craft, or individuals who have developed the best of the best from the ground up.

You shouldn’t pull guard in a street fight, I assume a competitor who works more on stand-up as opposed to a guard pulling game in competition would fare better in a self defence scenario. Wrestling is an extremely effective martial art.

As is judo, however i’ve heard it takes a LONG time to be able to pull off a throw whereas someone can become okayish at takedowns without having to constantly drill at them for a few years or longer. The risk of injurying oneself practicing high amplitude throws present in judo is also considerably higher relative to wrestling and BJJ.

Still… a purple belt who competes will annihilate 99%+ of untrained opponents within 20-40lbs of the individuals weight… or at least that’s what I’ve been told…

Striking range is grappling range, the unlucky individual who decides to pick a fight with you has one or two shots they can take before you’re in.

The chances of an untrained attackers punch being able to knock you out before you can close the distance is likely very small.

Untrained brawlers USUALLY don’t hit very hard…

Lol, they usually don’t hit hard. But then again someone with Ngannou power who may not even have great punching mechanics like Francis has can and will hit you hard enough to cause damage. And I couldn’t agree more about pulling guard in a street altercation. It’s a great way to end up permanently damaged.

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