[quote]MODOK wrote:
There is zero chance that Ohio St beats USC. They are the most over-rated football program in the history of mankind.[/quote]
Notre Dame
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
MODOK wrote:
There is zero chance that Ohio St beats USC. They are the most over-rated football program in the history of mankind.
Notre Dame[/quote]
Actually… I’ve grown up a couple hours from Notre Dame. Between them, Michigan, and the Fuckeyes, I get way too much damn exposure for those teams. Notre Dame is in a big rut (obviously,) but throughout time they’ve always been a fairly solid unit. I’m no fan, either… but I will say it’s awesome seeing them lose to fucking Air Force or Navy or whatever it was!
[quote]Rocker3829 wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
Thats a pretty tall order considering OSU has never, in the history of their program, defeated an SEC school (0-9). I guess maybe if they played Vanderbilt…
So we play a shitty non-con schedule huh? Well, I know just in a few years time UT has played Cal, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Fresno St, Utah, Boise St, and in the next 7 years will be playing, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, North Carolina, and NC St. And thats just Tennessee. I know that Georgia doesn’t schedule tough out of conference games, but don’t paint the entire SEC with the same brush. I seem to remember LSU anihilating your very own Va Tech opening last season. One of the worst beatings I’ve ever witnessed. How many of those has Clemp-son scheduled?
I know my teams non-con schedule sucks and has sucked, I said that above and I know the ACC hasn’t been worth a damn in the grand scheme of things but yea LSU beatin Va Tech was definitely a kick in the ass, but when y’alls conference (excluding the rivalry games) plays only 7 teams ranked in the top 25 out of their entire non-con schedule(this could obviously change by the end of the year) can y’all truly walk around saying y’all are the best? Granted y’all do have about twice as many non-con ranked opponents this year over last, until we get rid of this bullshit system aka BCS we’ll never know how good teams really are. [/quote]
Okay, this is really bugging me. Do you have to convert your accent to writing? Did you know that “you,” “your,” and “you guys” are proper substitutes for y’all?
Anyway, your post doesn’t make any sense. Yeah, outside of Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas, LSU, and South Carolina (wow, those games sound like a cake walk, huh?) Florida doesn’t have the toughest schedule in the nation. Oh, right, then they play some of the teams that use to be jewels in the ACC, Florida State and Miami.
So you’re telling me that outside those teams, you’re going to say that because they’re playing Hawaii, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy, and the Citadel they play an easy schedule? Gimme a break!
MODOK nailed it, there is no pressure greater than playing in Death Valley on a Saturday night in front of 90,000 in hopes to reach the SEC Championship game (where two teams that have probably already played each other will have to duke it out again.)
Yeah, looking back, the SEC sounds pretty overrated.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
Thats a pretty tall order considering OSU has never, in the history of their program, defeated an SEC school (0-9). I guess maybe if they played Vanderbilt…
So we play a shitty non-con schedule huh? Well, I know just in a few years time UT has played Cal, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Fresno St, Utah, Boise St, and in the next 7 years will be playing, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, North Carolina, and NC St. And thats just Tennessee. I know that Georgia doesn’t schedule tough out of conference games, but don’t paint the entire SEC with the same brush. I seem to remember LSU anihilating your very own Va Tech opening last season. One of the worst beatings I’ve ever witnessed. How many of those has Clemp-son scheduled?
I know my teams non-con schedule sucks and has sucked, I said that above and I know the ACC hasn’t been worth a damn in the grand scheme of things but yea LSU beatin Va Tech was definitely a kick in the ass, but when y’alls conference (excluding the rivalry games) plays only 7 teams ranked in the top 25 out of their entire non-con schedule(this could obviously change by the end of the year) can y’all truly walk around saying y’all are the best? Granted y’all do have about twice as many non-con ranked opponents this year over last, until we get rid of this bullshit system aka BCS we’ll never know how good teams really are.
All I know is this; the SEC has won the BCS title game every single time they’ve played in it (4 in 10 years). Auburn would have won in 2004 if the idiots would have let them play in the game. The SEC has won the last two titles with two different teams and has a third team ranked as #1 in the preseason polls this year.
Really, the only thing which prevents the SEC from totally dominating the titles is the fact that they beat up on each other so much that it prevents them from playing in that stupid game a lot. In a head to head last year, can you tell me which was a better game?
UF-LSU goes down to the last MINUTE, Auburn-LSU goes down to the last PLAY, Tennessee-LSU Championship game goes down to the last 2 minutes, or SEC Champion LSU beats ACC Champion Va Tech 41-0, SEC Champion LSU beats Big 10 Champ Ohio St 38-24 (wasn’t that close)?
Now, there are a few good teams that sprout up all across the country each year, but only in the SEC will you get those super-exciting, competitive games among highly talented teams each and every week.
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No doubt a good bit of the conference games are close and even I’ll admit pretty good but I am just not sold on the dominanting part of it. Not when South Carolina beats UNC by six(and a more experienced UNC team would have won that game), Auburn loses to South Florida(yes they were ranked #2 at one point but they dropped pretty quick after that), Alabama loses to UL Monroe (at home I might add) and only beats Houston by 6 points, Georgia giving up 34 points to Troy and Ole Miss giving up 31 points to NW STATE doesn’t mean dominance.
Granted we are talking the difference between a good conference and COMPLETE dominance and I don’t see it, but that isn’t to say this year it couldn’t happen. Say for example Georgia actually gets through their schedule unbeaten, I’ll gladly shut the hell up, but while your conference may have a good bit strengths there are some glaring weaknesses as well.
I agree there should be either a lot more out of conference games, or a playoff. Conferences are getting to big. Heck, you don’t even play in conference teams every year anymore. Its just way to hard to judge teams when you play 3 out of conference games, and one of those is a I-AA team.
I also hate the “our conference is way tougher, so we get beat up” excuse. It being a better conference is what gets your team the better talent in the first place so deal with it.
I would love to see a playoff for the BCS Championship. The winners of the Cotton, Orange, Sugar and Rose Bowls could pair up and play each other. Then the winners of those games would be in the BCS.
MODOK just made a better argument for a playoff than I ever could have. (Even if that wasn’t the point he was trying to make!)
Again; I don’t believe anyone thinks that there will EVER be anything as big as a sixteen team or even 8 team playoff in Division 1 (FBS). However, 4 is not an unreasonable start.
I was really surprised that the SEC and its member schools didn’t (couldn’t?) exert more influence on the last NCAA vote on consideration of a playoff (since more times than not it’s an SEC Team that gets the shaft)…but it didn’t happen.
To echo what MODOK said; the SEC has the most overall talent, both players and Coaches, in the Nation.
Mufasa
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
Thats a pretty tall order considering OSU has never, in the history of their program, defeated an SEC school (0-9). I guess maybe if they played Vanderbilt…
So we play a shitty non-con schedule huh? Well, I know just in a few years time UT has played Cal, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Fresno St, Utah, Boise St, and in the next 7 years will be playing, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, North Carolina, and NC St. And thats just Tennessee. I know that Georgia doesn’t schedule tough out of conference games, but don’t paint the entire SEC with the same brush. I seem to remember LSU anihilating your very own Va Tech opening last season. One of the worst beatings I’ve ever witnessed. How many of those has Clemp-son scheduled?
I know my teams non-con schedule sucks and has sucked, I said that above and I know the ACC hasn’t been worth a damn in the grand scheme of things but yea LSU beatin Va Tech was definitely a kick in the ass, but when y’alls conference (excluding the rivalry games) plays only 7 teams ranked in the top 25 out of their entire non-con schedule(this could obviously change by the end of the year) can y’all truly walk around saying y’all are the best? Granted y’all do have about twice as many non-con ranked opponents this year over last, until we get rid of this bullshit system aka BCS we’ll never know how good teams really are.
All I know is this; the SEC has won the BCS title game every single time they’ve played in it (4 in 10 years). Auburn would have won in 2004 if the idiots would have let them play in the game. The SEC has won the last two titles with two different teams and has a third team ranked as #1 in the preseason polls this year.
Really, the only thing which prevents the SEC from totally dominating the titles is the fact that they beat up on each other so much that it prevents them from playing in that stupid game a lot. In a head to head last year, can you tell me which was a better game?
UF-LSU goes down to the last MINUTE, Auburn-LSU goes down to the last PLAY, Tennessee-LSU Championship game goes down to the last 2 minutes, or SEC Champion LSU beats ACC Champion Va Tech 41-0, SEC Champion LSU beats Big 10 Champ Ohio St 38-24 (wasn’t that close)?
Now, there are a few good teams that sprout up all across the country each year, but only in the SEC will you get those super-exciting, competitive games among highly talented teams each and every week.
No doubt a good bit of the conference games are close and even I’ll admit pretty good but I am just not sold on the dominanting part of it. Not when South Carolina beats UNC by six(and a more experienced UNC team would have won that game), Auburn loses to South Florida(yes they were ranked #2 at one point but they dropped pretty quick after that), Alabama loses to UL Monroe (at home I might add) and only beats Houston by 6 points, Georgia giving up 34 points to Troy and Ole Miss giving up 31 points to NW STATE doesn’t mean dominance.
Granted we are talking the difference between a good conference and COMPLETE dominance and I don’t see it, but that isn’t to say this year it couldn’t happen. Say for example Georgia actually gets through their schedule unbeaten, I’ll gladly shut the hell up, but while your conference may have a good bit strengths there are some glaring weaknesses as well.
If Georgia goes undefeated in the SEC they’ve done something huge. It doesn’t happen very often because the conference is so tough. Its happened twice in 10 years I can count (Auburn in 2004 and Tenn in 98) and you have to be EXTREMELY lucky.
However,a 2 loss SEC team is still far more deserving of a BCS title game appearance than an undefeated ACC team.
Sure you can find weird outlier games that you mentioned (La-Monroe, USF) but all the other games you mentioned the SEC team WON. And I’ve never seen an SEC team lose to a Div I-AA team, like Michigan did against Appy St. last year.
Bottom line- SEC has Meyer, Spurrier, Richt, Fulmer, Tubberville, Saban, Miles, Petrino, and Nutt as coaches. There are just a few championships in that group. Try playing against one of those guys each and EVERY week. And that group doesn’t even include the SEC Coach of the Year last year (Croom).
Again, I’m not saying the other conferences don’t have good teams. I’m saying try to come in and run that gauntlet of coaches and programs for 12 weeks and come out the other side.
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Obviously I don’t agree with ya on the 2 loss SEC team over an Undefeated ACC team but I do hear ya and agree with the class of coaches in that league. I just pray that we can have a playoff system of some kind other than the BCS because no system should be so dependent on human perception.
USC plays Virginia before Ohio State, while OSU plays Ohio just before that big game. As Keith Jackson would say, “its gonna be a real slobber knocker for sure.”
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Now thats one thing we can agree on. A playoff in college football would be the most exciting athletic event in the world to us fans. We can only pray…[/quote]
I think between OSU and U of M, Alabama and Auburn, and Texas and Oklahama fans alike, everyone that doesn’t have a stock in the BCS will agree a playoff system is needed. Unfortunately for us, the rich jackasses have signed a deal to keep the BCS through at least 2014, if I’m not mistaken.
I see no credible argument for retaining the current system. The idea that a playoff system would interrupt school schedules is total bullshit. That doesn’t seem to stop basketball from running from the fall to spring semester and having a month-long playoff tournament.
I can’t even really see money being a problem, either. If we turned the four BCS bowls into quarterfinal play-off games, added two more semifinal bowls, and the had the BCS championship, there would be a LOT of money to be made.
Finally, there is the argument that even with an 8-team playoff, there would still be teams left out. That’s true, but so what? That’s like saying that we shouldn’t bother with seatbelts and airbags because, even with those, some people will still die in car accidents. Yes, but if it gets closer to the goal, then it is better than the current system.
There would always be the ninth or tenth ranked teams that would bitch, but an 8-team playoff would do a lot to ease the unrest we see on forums like this. Besides, a team that is ranked 9th going into the bowl selection process would probably have lost at least 2 games.
In that case, the team could have done something–not lose so much–to avoid their fate. But in the current system, you have a real possibility of teams who go undefeated or lose a single close game who are left out of the mix based on subjective impressions.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
USC plays Virginia before Ohio State, while OSU plays Ohio just before that big game. As Keith Jackson would say, “its gonna be a real slobber knocker for sure.”[/quote]
I haven’t been this hyped up for a game since the championship Rose Bowl against UT. Kickoff isn’t until 5PM, and I’m thinking of getting there to tailgate at 6 or 7AM, just to enjoy the excitement. There’s nothing like being on a college campus for a huge game.
[quote]HG Thrower wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
USC plays Virginia before Ohio State, while OSU plays Ohio just before that big game. As Keith Jackson would say, “its gonna be a real slobber knocker for sure.”
I haven’t been this hyped up for a game since the championship Rose Bowl against UT. Kickoff isn’t until 5PM, and I’m thinking of getting there to tailgate at 6 or 7AM, just to enjoy the excitement. There’s nothing like being on a college campus for a huge game. [/quote]
I agree,
This will be one of the most anticipated and watched games this season. This game has implications for both teams, and will show early on how strong these 2 teams are. These 2 teams also have not been allowed to play each other for one reason or another. Finally, trophies, accolades, and bullshit aside, its gonna be war.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
HG Thrower wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
USC plays Virginia before Ohio State, while OSU plays Ohio just before that big game. As Keith Jackson would say, “its gonna be a real slobber knocker for sure.”
I haven’t been this hyped up for a game since the championship Rose Bowl against UT. Kickoff isn’t until 5PM, and I’m thinking of getting there to tailgate at 6 or 7AM, just to enjoy the excitement. There’s nothing like being on a college campus for a huge game.
I agree,
This will be one of the most anticipated and watched games this season. This game has implications for both teams, and will show early on how strong these 2 teams are. These 2 teams also have not been allowed to play each other for one reason or another. Finally, trophies, accolades, and bullshit aside, its gonna be war.[/quote]
Plus, its been a good while since these 2 programs have met up. Like maybe early 90’s Rose Bowl if I remember correctly? This used to be the classic Rose Bowl matchup. I’m hoping our recent history of dismantling every Big-10 team we have faced is a good preview…
My only regret about this match-up is that it is happening so early in the season. Often times, teams won’t “mature” until late in the season. I am especially worried about this with my Trojans. Sanchez may not come into his own until 4 or 5 games into the season. By that point, they may have dropped a close one to Ohio St. and thus look like a worse team, when they might beat Ohio St. if they met up later in the season.
One thing is for sure, though: An OSU loss will mean that they are out of the national championship game. Going undefeated in the Soft 10 is not going to save OSU from a loss to a non-conference foe. Perversely, USC might be able to lose a close one, then battle back, win out, and make the NC championship game depending on how everyone else is doing. God I wish we had a playoff.
[quote]eic wrote:
I am especially worried about this with my Trojans. [/quote]
“MY Trojans”… from Nebraska with a Cornhusker avatar?? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
eic wrote:
I am especially worried about this with my Trojans.
“MY Trojans”… from Nebraska with a Cornhusker avatar?? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Yeah…what the hell is up with that? If you tell us you have “2 favorite college teams” you are getting thrown off this site. Thats sacrelidge.
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Agreed, please explain the Nebraska avatar and that USC comment
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Bauer97 wrote:
eic wrote:
I am especially worried about this with my Trojans.
“MY Trojans”… from Nebraska with a Cornhusker avatar?? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Yeah…what the hell is up with that? If you tell us you have “2 favorite college teams” you are getting thrown off this site. Thats sacrelidge.
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Eh… a bit. I’m a Gators fan 1,000,000 more than any other team, but when it’s a team that will in no way affect their season, (Michigan State, Wisconsin) I don’t see what the big deal is.
A USC fan from a Nebraska guy is a bit suspect, though, especially after the spanking they received last year. Ah well, enjoy who you enjoy.
Whoever the loser of this game will be, it will be hard for them to get back into the hunt for the BCS Championship game. Like last season, where #1 changed as often as my parking space, its just too hard to re-establish any one team as #1 with a loss. I tried getting tix to this game as a former Trojan football player, and had absolutely no luck whatsoever. 2 powerhouses going against each other, I hate having to wait for this game.
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
eic wrote:
I am especially worried about this with my Trojans.
“MY Trojans”… from Nebraska with a Cornhusker avatar?? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. [/quote]
Well I was born and raised in San Diego and followed the Trojans (not UCLA!) forever. But I went to Nebraska for school. So what can I say? I love both teams. I just moved back to San Diego last week and am too lazy to change my “location” designation. Plus, I rotate between Nebraska/USC avatars. What’s a guy supposed to do?