I’d also like to point out that you are now trying to validate a conference by 1 team.
I also don’t think getting dismantled by LSU makes you a bad team. It happens to a lot of good teams.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I’d also like to point out that you are now trying to validate a conference by 1 team.
I also don’t think getting dismantled by LSU makes you a bad team. It happens to a lot of good teams.[/quote]
I don’t agree that that is what I’m trying to do, but let me say this: AT LEAST THE BIG EAST HAS THAT “ONE” TEAM.
I still think both BC and VT are better teams even in the past couple of years, than WV.
Go Blue…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I still think both BC and VT are better teams even in the past couple of years, than WV.[/quote]
Well it is no longer worth discussing this further, then, because you are either just messing around or are totally crazy. You could have made a “dream team” comprised of the best BC and VT players and WV would have still beaten that team by at least 2 touchdowns.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
A pretty good article on conference strengths:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/08/11/conference.debate/index.html
I think the article is wrong.
The Big-10 and the PAC-10 are a distant 4th and 5th behind the ACC, SEC, and Big-12.
Just because they have the power of the press does not make the Big-10 and PAC-10 any better - just more visible.
Well good thing the formula uses actual numbers and stats. The only thing the “power of press” could have helped with in the article’s formula is final AP placing.
This is college football, pal. There are no facts - only subjective “polls”, a faulty “power rating”, and a two team “playoff”.
Don’t even start with the “actual number” bullshit. Until there is a playoff - it’s all a bunch of short-skirted cheer leading.
Rah. Rah. [/quote]
I’m sorry. I forgot that the teams don’t even play each other anymore. Win-loss records are created through subjective polls.
[quote]malonetd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
A pretty good article on conference strengths:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/08/11/conference.debate/index.html
I think the article is wrong.
The Big-10 and the PAC-10 are a distant 4th and 5th behind the ACC, SEC, and Big-12.
Just because they have the power of the press does not make the Big-10 and PAC-10 any better - just more visible.
Well good thing the formula uses actual numbers and stats. The only thing the “power of press” could have helped with in the article’s formula is final AP placing.
This is college football, pal. There are no facts - only subjective “polls”, a faulty “power rating”, and a two team “playoff”.
Don’t even start with the “actual number” bullshit. Until there is a playoff - it’s all a bunch of short-skirted cheer leading.
Rah. Rah.
I’m sorry. I forgot that the teams don’t even play each other anymore. Win-loss records are created through subjective polls.[/quote]
I don’t know if they do or not. When Kirk Herbstreet starts having his Big-10 orgasms on the pre-game show, I kinda tune out.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
I don’t know if they do or not. When Kirk Herbstreet starts having his Big-10 orgasms on the pre-game show, I kinda tune out.
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Isn’t that the truth!
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Look, determining a champion via who anyone “thinks” is the best is the epitome of SUBJECTIVE. Even choosing the best two to play each other based on people “thinking” they are the best is subjective. Win-loss records mean nothing.
For example: last year LSU had two losses, survived on a LAST SECOND td playing Auburn, had to have two interceptions and a pick six to come back and beat Tennessee in the 4th quarter in the SECC game, then walks into the NC game and blasts Ohio St like it was a saturday in the park. The question is, would any of those teams that LSU defeated have beaten Ohio St?
Were they “better” teams? I don’t think there is any doubt, and the LSU team said as much, that Ohio St would have finished 6th in the SEC last year. But the only reason OSU had an opportunity to play in the game was their location on the map, not the quality of their team.
Think about it this way; how many of us thought that the Pats were the best team in the NFL last year? If the NFL title was done via polls, the Pats would have been the clear cut champion. No one would have picked the lowly Giants. No one. [/quote]
I don’t know if this is directed at me or not, but this isn’t really what I’m talking about.
[quote]eic wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
You mentioned headlines being a good judge of conference strength, the disagree with “hype” around the ACC? Face it, Louisville and Rutgers have been all hype because they had always been so bad.
I’ll speak about the team I know best in the ACC GT. We are a historically severely underrated team. We are in the top 3 for bowl appearances, wins, and winning percentage (I know, no one cares, that’s my point). We basically always finish higher in the rankings than we start. I think the ACC basketball overshadows the football program too much.
There is some truth to what you said, but you have no right to defend the ACC when your best teams got destroyed playing decent teams out of conference. We simply have no reference point to judge the ACC against.
On the other hand, we can look at West Virginia from the Big East and recognize that they handle themselves against the best that other conferences have to offer.
We can therefore make the educated inference that the teams which gave West Virginia a hard time (except for Pitt, lol) such as Rutgers and South Florida must also be legitimate teams. That’s all I’m saying.
Here is GT’s entire 2007 schedule. Please show me one thing on that page which indicates that they are a good team:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teams/schedule?teamId=59&year=2007
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I still think that Dick Rod threw the Pitt game.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
eic wrote:
rainjack wrote:
malonetd wrote:
A pretty good article on conference strengths:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/08/11/conference.debate/index.html
I think the article is wrong.
The Big-10 and the PAC-10 are a distant 4th and 5th behind the ACC, SEC, and Big-12.
Just because they have the power of the press does not make the Big-10 and PAC-10 any better - just more visible.
ACC?! Are you kidding? The ACC is one of the weakest conferences in football. I would put the Big East above the ACC any day. My ranking:
- SEC
- Big 12
- Pac 10
- Big [11]
- Big East
- ACC
- Mountain West
I didn’t even consider the Big East as a real conference.
You should take the Big East and the Mountain West off your list. They don’t count.
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Why the hate for the MWC? They don’t have a lot of the advantages of the BCS but they still play some pretty good ball. TCU is 5-1 vs the Big 12 the last few years.
Please let my team down here in Clemson finally break out of the typical Bowden BS, no excuse with the talent and the weak schedule.
O-H-I-O
Buckeyes all the way AGAIN this year. Everyone is saying how the SEC will walk all over them when they meet. People don’t realize that the Buckeyes had over a month off between the end of their regular season and the BCS game. Even though it is a championship game, if you are not practicing through out the week like you do during the regular season you are gonna loose focus and your edge. Ohio State has a majority of their starters coming back and a few good freshmen recruits. So expect to see the Buckeyes in the paper and on T.V. for a while.
And when the Bucks win at USC I am finding Carson Palmer and having him sign the program. If you don’t like Ohio State leave Ohio!!!
[quote]puckhead08 wrote:
O-H-I-O
Buckeyes all the way AGAIN this year. Everyone is saying how the SEC will walk all over them when they meet. People don’t realize that the Buckeyes had over a month off between the end of their regular season and the BCS game. Even though it is a championship game, if you are not practicing through out the week like you do during the regular season you are gonna loose focus and your edge. Ohio State has a majority of their starters coming back and a few good freshmen recruits. So expect to see the Buckeyes in the paper and on T.V. for a while.
And when the Bucks win at USC I am finding Carson Palmer and having him sign the program. If you don’t like Ohio State leave Ohio!!![/quote]
Haha! Give me a break!
1.) The Fuckeyes have one less week of a game to play. If you can’t comprehend what that means, it means one less game to lose, many less players to lose to injury, and one more week of preparation for a BCS bowl they shouldn’t be in.
2.) Um… Ohio State has lost the National Championship the last two years… and probably shouldn’t have even been in it last year. They are one of the most overrated teams in the most overrated conference. They talk about them year in and year out, but yet they get their asses handed to them anytime they play outside the Big 10 or the mighty MAC conference… (didn’t they play Akron, Youngstown State, AND Kent State last year? Wow.) Yet, they’re still all over the ‘paper and t.v.,’ so it’s not like anything is changing.
3.) NFL veteran players have a resounding negative opinion about a rookie who introduces himself as a player from “THE” Ohio State University. This is probably true for people on a message board as well. Don’t be that guy.
4.) Go Gators.
Hold on a minute.
First, I didn’t say “The” Ohio State Buckeyes anywhere in my post. Even I think that that is annoying.
Secondly, what I meant was that the Buckeyes are gonna go to the BCS again. But I also have doughts about them winning. They have some big problems stopping the run.
They play a lot of Ohio-based schools because a year before they won the championship they said that they would play every college Division AAA school in football. That was a stupid idea because they are the powerhouse school in Ohio.
All my post was about was that I am a die hard Buckeyes fan no matter who they play. I am more vocal about them now because I couldn’t say shit during the Cooper years.
[quote]puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
First, I didn’t say “The” Ohio State Buckeyes anywhere in my post. Even I think that that is annoying.
Secondly, what I meant was that the Buckeyes are gonna go to the BCS again. But I also have doughts about them winning. They have some big problems stopping the run.
They play a lot of Ohio-based schools because a year before they won the championship they said that they would play every college Division AAA school in football. That was a stupid idea because they are the powerhouse school in Ohio.
All my post was about was that I am a die hard Buckeyes fan no matter who they play. I am more vocal about them now because I couldn’t say shit during the Cooper years. [/quote]
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
[quote]SSC wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
O-H-I-O
Buckeyes all the way AGAIN this year. Everyone is saying how the SEC will walk all over them when they meet. People don’t realize that the Buckeyes had over a month off between the end of their regular season and the BCS game.
Even though it is a championship game, if you are not practicing through out the week like you do during the regular season you are gonna loose focus and your edge.
Ohio State has a majority of their starters coming back and a few good freshmen recruits. So expect to see the Buckeyes in the paper and on T.V. for a while.
And when the Bucks win at USC I am finding Carson Palmer and having him sign the program. If you don’t like Ohio State leave Ohio!!!
Haha! Give me a break!
1.) The Fuckeyes have one less week of a game to play. If you can’t comprehend what that means, it means one less game to lose, many less players to lose to injury, and one more week of preparation for a BCS bowl they shouldn’t be in.
2.) Um… Ohio State has lost the National Championship the last two years… and probably shouldn’t have even been in it last year. They are one of the most overrated teams in the most overrated conference.
They talk about them year in and year out, but yet they get their asses handed to them anytime they play outside the Big 10 or the mighty MAC conference… (didn’t they play Akron, Youngstown State, AND Kent State last year? Wow.) Yet, they’re still all over the ‘paper and t.v.,’ so it’s not like anything is changing.
3.) NFL veteran players have a resounding negative opinion about a rookie who introduces himself as a player from “THE” Ohio State University. This is probably true for people on a message board as well. Don’t be that guy.
4.) Go Gators.[/quote]
Thank you! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
[quote]Rocker3829 wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
First, I didn’t say “The” Ohio State Buckeyes anywhere in my post. Even I think that that is annoying.
Secondly, what I meant was that the Buckeyes are gonna go to the BCS again. But I also have doughts about them winning. They have some big problems stopping the run.
They play a lot of Ohio-based schools because a year before they won the championship they said that they would play every college Division AAA school in football. That was a stupid idea because they are the powerhouse school in Ohio.
All my post was about was that I am a die hard Buckeyes fan no matter who they play. I am more vocal about them now because I couldn’t say shit during the Cooper years.
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
[/quote]
No way. If Ohio State loses a single game this season, they are out of the BCS unless all other teams have three losses. The Buckeyes are on thin ice, which is a shame because of the past three seasons, this is probably the most deserving Ohio State team.
If Ohio State can win over USC (which will be one hell of a game for sure), then I think they have a good chance. The other Big 10 teams are not as strong as years from the past.
The Buckeyes look very strong, but if there is anything to learn from last season being the season of upsets, is that its not over til its over.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Rocker3829 wrote:
puckhead08 wrote:
Hold on a minute.
I ain’t a fan of y’alls school but y’all could very well be back in the BCS title again(even if y’all lose to USC) but if y’all do and y’all play another SEC team, please beat the living shit out of them,
One thing about being ACC is hatin the SEC, and I obviously know the ACC aint the SEC yet in football (but we might be closer if we played as shitty a non-con schedule…)(Georgia better look out playing at ASU) but hopefully this year we can catch up.
Thats a pretty tall order considering OSU has never, in the history of their program, defeated an SEC school (0-9). I guess maybe if they played Vanderbilt…
So we play a shitty non-con schedule huh? Well, I know just in a few years time UT has played Cal, Notre Dame, Miami, UCLA, Fresno St, Utah, Boise St, and in the next 7 years will be playing, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, North Carolina, and NC St. And thats just Tennessee. I know that Georgia doesn’t schedule tough out of conference games, but don’t paint the entire SEC with the same brush. I seem to remember LSU anihilating your very own Va Tech opening last season. One of the worst beatings I’ve ever witnessed. How many of those has Clemp-son scheduled?
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I know my teams non-con schedule sucks and has sucked, I said that above and I know the ACC hasn’t been worth a damn in the grand scheme of things but yea LSU beatin Va Tech was definitely a kick in the ass, but when y’alls conference (excluding the rivalry games) plays only 7 teams ranked in the top 25 out of their entire non-con schedule(this could obviously change by the end of the year) can y’all truly walk around saying y’all are the best? Granted y’all do have about twice as many non-con ranked opponents this year over last, until we get rid of this bullshit system aka BCS we’ll never know how good teams really are.