time for a Playoff…this yr more than any…OK shouldn’t have even been in the final…after all is said and done…UTAH shoulda been voted National Champs…didn’t lose a game all yr…and beat up on Bama in their bowl win to boot.
time for a Playoff…this yr more than any…OK shouldn’t have even been in the final…after all is said and done…UTAH shoulda been voted National Champs…didn’t lose a game all yr…and beat up on Bama in their bowl win to boot.
[quote]iksrtfo28 wrote:
time for a Playoff…this yr more than any…OK shouldn’t have even been in the final…after all is said and done…UTAH shoulda been voted National Champs…didn’t lose a game all yr…and beat up on Bama in their bowl win to boot.[/quote]
Wow, you just said the same shit the other idiots have been saying for five months now.
Maybe if Utah didn’t play in a weak-ass conference they’d get more respect. If they’re legitimate enough, they need to try to sneak in the Pac-10.
I’m so fucking sick of “should be,” “would have,” and all the speculation going on.
Last time I checked, the Gators won the National Championship and are first in the nation.
And they beat Alabama too. Wierd!
Yeah, that is weird.
There is no reason for the question “should Florida be number one?”
They are. And look out because they may be number one next year too. 
I love how the AP gave Utah 16 1st place votes and never voted them over USC when they SHOULD have 8 weeks ago…
Whither or not Utah would beat Florida isn’t the question here though, it is that they should have had the chance to find out, and the way they played Bama they would have given Florida a good game.
I did forget to mention though that I am not taking anything away from Florida, they played a GREAT game and you gotta love some Tebow (I hear it all the time because my roommate down here in Clemson is from Gator Country), I would much rather hear about him instead of someone gettin in trouble all the time (aka Pacman)
[quote]SSC wrote:
Maybe if Utah didn’t play in a weak-ass conference they’d get more respect. If they’re legitimate enough, they need to try to sneak in the Pac-10.
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Why would they wanna do that? The MWC already owns the Pac 10! Wanna compare them to the Big 10, ACC or Big East while you are at it? I might mention that Wyoming beat Tennessee.
The only reason anyone says it’s a weak conference is because they are left out of the cartel. It’s not a meritrocity. I hope next year Pitt or Cincinatti goes undefeated. I want to hear what everyone says then.
I think we need to remember about the Mountain West that 3 teams finished in the top 25 (two in the top 7 in BOTH polls), the only conferences with more ranked teams were the SEC and Big-12 (each with 4). They deserve to be in the BCS period. What else do they have to do?
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
SSC wrote:
Maybe if Utah didn’t play in a weak-ass conference they’d get more respect. If they’re legitimate enough, they need to try to sneak in the Pac-10.
Why would they wanna do that? The MWC already owns the Pac 10! Wanna compare them to the Big 10, ACC or Big East while you are at it? I might mention that Wyoming beat Tennessee.
The only reason anyone says it’s a weak conference is because they are left out of the cartel. It’s not a meritrocity. I hope next year Pitt or Cincinatti goes undefeated. I want to hear what everyone says then. [/quote]
I agree. If it was a team from the Big 10, ACC, or Big East, there would be no question who the champion would be.
I don’t want to take credit away from Florida, though. After their loss to Ole Miss, they were arguably the best football team for the rest of the season, and I congratulate them on their success.
I just think that their needs to be a playoff. Like the rest of you, I am getting sick of hearing about Utah’s weak strength of schedule or Utah playing Alabama better than Florida did. These debates are pointless and the only way to settle it is on the field.
Finally, go Utes! May you have another successful season in 2009.
exactly…they need a playoff…
for all you clowns saying stuff like “utah is in a weak ass division”…do you even watch football?..or just the BCS title game??..if you don’t think they need a playoff…your an assclown…a computer should not decide who plays for the title…shit…why even play the season then…
I’m not trying to take anything from Florida…I think Tebow…is a great player…and an even better leader…I just think the current system…is GARBAGE!!!
nice little read by rick reilly
To all Utah fans,
If Ball State would have run the table in the MAC, should they have been in the National Championship? How about Louisiana-Monroe in the SunBelt?
Exactly.
not even a Utah fan…but…lets be real here…they beat ranked teams…and they smashed Bama…hey…they beat bama easier than Florida…you don’t think at least deserve some recognition??
…what I’ve been trying to say…and people who obviosly have no clue seem to disagree with (such as yourself)…is that they need a playoff…why should teams who arn’t in the BCS conferences never even get a chance to be the Champs…Utah could have played and beaten every single top 10 team…and still they would not have even been allowed in the National Championship game…
[quote]SSC wrote:
To all Utah fans,
If Ball State would have run the table in the MAC, should they have been in the National Championship? How about Louisiana-Monroe in the SunBelt?
Exactly.[/quote]
Your original statement that drew my attention was that Utah plays in a lame conference. When that got shot down you change the subject to Ball State and the Sunbelt. Way to move the goalposts!!!
As you know, TCU is my team, not Utah, and I have plenty of love for the Crimson Tide.
I’ll also be the first to admit and point out that Bama had a lame OOC schedule (As did UT and Tech, Tech should not be allowed to play OOC, but I digress). Had any of these teams won out they would be playing for the MNC and noone would have batted an eyelash.
BTW the Sunbelt champ this year was Troy, not La Monroe, and in their brief history in D1 they have beaten Missouri and Okie State of the mighty big 12. This year Troy played, but lost to Ohio State, Okie State, and LSU. Had they beaten those 3, gone undefeated, and beaten top 10 ranked SEC team in a bowl, they’d have a decent claim to play for the MNC. They may be the Utah of the future.
You are excluding Utah strictly on conference affiliation. On the field (where it matters) Utah beat Michigan at the big house, OSU (had just beaten USC),#7 TCU, #14 BYU and Air Force. That’s not too bad. If Ball State or Troy had the same resume, why not?
The BCS is a revenue sharing cartel, not a meritrocity.
BTW, I prefered the blonde cutie in your former avatar to your current one, but that’s me.
[quote]SSC wrote:
To all Utah fans,
If Ball State would have run the table in the MAC, should they have been in the National Championship? How about Louisiana-Monroe in the SunBelt?
Exactly.[/quote]
your posts on this forum are unintelligently biased and have no logic behind them.
I am happy for Florida and Urban Meyer, what a great game. They fully deserve the National Championship! I still think Utah, USC and Texas should of had a chance. Utah could have at least hung or possibly beat any of them.
GO UTES!!!
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
SSC wrote:
To all Utah fans,
If Ball State would have run the table in the MAC, should they have been in the National Championship? How about Louisiana-Monroe in the SunBelt?
Exactly.
Your original statement that drew my attention was that Utah plays in a lame conference. When that got shot down you change the subject to Ball State and the Sunbelt. Way to move the goalposts!!!
As you know, TCU is my team, not Utah, and I have plenty of love for the Crimson Tide.
I’ll also be the first to admit and point out that Bama had a lame OOC schedule (As did UT and Tech, Tech should not be allowed to play OOC, but I digress). Had any of these teams won out they would be playing for the MNC and noone would have batted an eyelash.
BTW the Sunbelt champ this year was Troy, not La Monroe, and in their brief history in D1 they have beaten Missouri and Okie State of the mighty big 12. This year Troy played, but lost to Ohio State, Okie State, and LSU. Had they beaten those 3, gone undefeated, and beaten top 10 ranked SEC team in a bowl, they’d have a decent claim to play for the MNC. They may be the Utah of the future.
You are excluding Utah strictly on conference affiliation. On the field (where it matters) Utah beat Michigan at the big house, OSU (had just beaten USC),#7 TCU, #14 BYU and Air Force. That’s not too bad. If Ball State or Troy had the same rsume, why not?
The BCS is a revenue sharing cartel, not a meritrocity.
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No, I’m counting out Utah because they didn’t play in the National Championship. For some reason you people think that bitching about it is going to change something. Utah played a great season. No one’s going to care in a few months. Remember Boise State? Everyone was up in arms about if they should have been in the national championship, but now no one cares. Because they didn’t win the national championship. Simple as that.
And as long as you’re bitching about an unfair BCS system, let me remind you that Auburn went 12-0 (13-0 final) in the SEC and was left out of the title game for an Oklahoma team that got blown out by USC. And everyone says that the SEC is supposed to be media-favored conference. But guess what - No one cares about it anymore!
Fact is, is Tulsa (I just pulled UL-Monroe out of my ass), Ball State, or any non-BCS conference winner are NOT going to get a shot in the big game. That’s the way the BCS has been for years, and it’s not changing any time soon.
Again, EVERYONE knows we need a playoff. That’s elementry college football. Unfortunately, it’s not going to change any time soon, so stop speaking in hypothetical quandaries, and start talking reality.
This morning when I checked, Florida had still won the National Championship and are ranked #1.
I’m really not sure why I have to keep validating this claim. This thread has gone downhill, and the same things are getting repeated over and over. I’ll see you all in the inevitable Draft thread.
[quote]SSC wrote:
No, I’m counting out Utah because they didn’t play in the National Championship.
This morning when I checked, Florida had still won the National Championship and are ranked #1.
I’m really not sure why I have to keep validating this claim. This thread has gone downhill, and the same things are getting repeated over and over. I’ll see you all in the inevitable Draft thread.[/quote]
No, you said Utah, played in a weak ass conference, and that’s why I responded. Utah, Tulsa, Ball State, Ul Monroe, not the same, so which is it? Your story keeps changing, and frankly detracts from a great season for the Gators.
Florida did win (all but one of) their games on the field. The fact that they are National Champs is still a result of the voters. I think they are a great team but not 100% convinced that they would have beaten Utah, UT, USC, or a handful of other teams. So I’ll continue to “bitch” until a more equitable system is in place. Remind me who won the College World Series in baseball!
Not really interested in the draft, unfortunately my favorite pro team is owned by some guy names Jerry Jones. Over the off season he’ll either draft, trade for, or otherwise acquire some other knuckle head like TO, Pacman, or Alonzo Spellman.
Do you like College Baseball? If so, see you in about 6 weeks (too friggin long!)
[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
SSC wrote:
No, I’m counting out Utah because they didn’t play in the National Championship.
This morning when I checked, Florida had still won the National Championship and are ranked #1.
I’m really not sure why I have to keep validating this claim. This thread has gone downhill, and the same things are getting repeated over and over. I’ll see you all in the inevitable Draft thread.
No, you said Utah, played in a weak ass conference, and that’s why I responded. Utah, Tulsa, Ball State, Ul Monroe, not the same, so which is it? Your story keeps changing, and frankly detracts from a great season for the Gators.
Florida did win (all but one of) their games on the field. The fact that they are National Champs is still a result of the voters. I think they are a great team but not 100% convinced that they would have beaten Utah, UT, USC, or a handful of other teams. So I’ll continue to “bitch” until a more equitable system is in place. Remind me who won the College World Series in baseball!
Not really interested in the draft, unfortunately my favorite pro team is owned by some guy names Jerry Jones. Over the off season he’ll either draft, trade for, or otherwise acquire some other knuckle head like TO, Pacman, or Alonzo Spellman.
Do you like College Baseball? If so, see you in about 6 weeks (too friggin long!)
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Right, guess I did get a little snarky there. I do definitely think Utah could definitely beat any of the elite teams in the nation this year. I guess I just get irked by the media - one minute, as some claimed, they were the media’s darlings, the next, they’re not the national champions. I hate being a slave to ESPN, because it only fuels their chatty-Kathy bullshit.
I like the draft mostly to hear about some player’s insane numbers (Gholston, Vernon Davis, etc.) and workouts. Other than that, it’s all hype, really. Never got into college baseball much, but then again, I don’t know much about baseball. It looks like it’s time to get heavily invested in college basketball!
[quote]SSC wrote:
Right, guess I did get a little snarky there. I do definitely think Utah could definitely beat any of the elite teams in the nation this year. I guess I just get irked by the media - one minute, as some claimed, they were the media’s darlings, the next, they’re not the national champions. I hate being a slave to ESPN, because it only fuels their chatty-Kathy bullshit.
I like the draft mostly to hear about some player’s insane numbers (Gholston, Vernon Davis, etc.) and workouts. Other than that, it’s all hype, really. Never got into college baseball much, but then again, I don’t know much about baseball. It looks like it’s time to get heavily invested in college basketball![/quote]
No problem,
Florida has had a great season and I really liked Tebow. I think he has that intangible quality of a winner and he’s very outspoken about his faith.
You can’t take the media seriously, in sports or anything else. One thing people lose sight of is that they have a vested interest in the matchups and their outcomes. CBS has the SEC games plus CBSTV and I think the Mountain West Network, ESPN used to own the the BCS game but now Fox has it. Also Fox does the Big 12 games, so each network has a vested interest in promoting their games and conferences.
Just for example ESPN does not have the contract with the MWC so they rarely seem to acknowledge it’s existence. It seems like when they do show TCU games they rarely have highlights of more than 1 or 2 games. CBS has the SEC game of the week so they will say Florida, Bama, LSU are wonderful.
Like I said they are trying to push their product. ESPN was carrying the bowl game that Boise was in so they really played up the victim angle to increase viewership. Had that game been on a different network ESPN would have been silent on the subject while the other network was pushing it. However, now that ESPN no longer has the BCS championship game their commentators have been more open to the playoff idea. Controversy sells. Human interest sells. If all they told you was Tulsa was playing Ball State and Joe Smith was the best running back noone outside of those schools would ever watch.
On a side note speaking of ESPN pushing their games and carrying the Poinsettia bowl they scheduled that game and pushed for that matchup on Dec 23rd which was a terrible travel time but was the only game on TV that night. From reading our message board I’d bet that had the same matchup been the week between Christmas and New Years several thousand more Frog Fans would have made the trip. I suspect that Boise fans would say the same. The lower ticket sales may hurt those schools in later years because bowls will select the teams that travel the best.
Congratulations on an awesome season.
BTW, things are changing, so the complaining helps After 2000, because of TCU, the BCS removed margin of victory from the formula. After 2003, because of TCU (thank you Nick Browne), they put it back in. Prior to 2006, there were no non BCS teams in BCS games. Now there is atleast 1. 3-5 years ago TCU would never have been ranked 7th with 2 losses.
After 2003 my UT snob buddy gave me 20 tons of grief after our bowl loss to “who the heck is Boise State?” (dang it was a cold depressing night), now I get congratulated for beating the same Boise that now everyone has heard of by a mere 1 point.