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[quote]vikingrob wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Great game that TOTALLY surprised me!

You know what? I don’t want to hear ANY more whining from a D-1 school (from us fans, its okay!)…about being “screwed”.

The AD’s and Presidents had the opportunity to revamp this whole BCS mess, but instead decided to keep the system until, what, like 2012?

Think about it.

It’s doubtful that a Team with an undefeated record, and that is as impressive as Utah is, could ever be in the Championship Game because of the conference they are in.

I’m still hoping against all hope for a D-1 playoff some day.

Mufasa

Thats my team! Go UTAH!!!

We are not as good as Florida, OU, and USC…but damn we could at least hang with any of them.

We definitely shut up alot of Bama, SEC fans, and BCS analysts…and of course Saban.

I am stoked for my friends who were playing out there!!!
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Congrats to the Utes, and I’m happy to see that you, unlike all the other people I’m hearing especially the talking heads, have a brain. Utah only beat a terrible Michigan 25-23 and beat TCU by 3 while OU beat TCU by 25. I’m not saying that Utah isn’t good, but I am saying that they are not national championship material.

Just a general comment about a playoff, a plus one wouldn’t solve it either because who gets in OU, Florida, Texas, and USC? Or do you knock out Texas and put in Utah? How is that fair. Additionally, a eight team playoff isn’t fair either because why does Texas Tech, the number 7 team in the rankings pre-bowls, deserve a shot when they got beat by 44 and after today showed they suck. There isn’t a great answer, but don’t tell me a playoff names the best team (e.g., Giants were not better than the Pats last year).

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What a strange, wacky, and well-rounded bowl season.

First, the Big 10 is a big flop, which is always pleasant to see (living in Big 10 Country.) The best they can finish is 2-5… nice.

Next, Texas Tech lost… nice. I expect Texas to win, and hopefully Oklahoma to lose. It bothered me all year that the media claimed the Big XII to be the class of the NCAA all year. Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t stand watching huge offensive games. Offensive is fun and all, but throwing the ball 60+ times a game is about as strategic and fun to watch as someone who stands at a fryer all day. It’s funny, Leech himself admitted he was only going to use the same 40-45 plays throughout their bowl game. Come on now.

I was extremely happy/surprised by Utah’s thrashing of Bama last night. It only further propogates the outstanding need for a college football playoff system, a scenario that’s been discussed so many times it’s almost a cliche. Wierd, if we didn’t need it, maybe we’d stop talking about it!

Anyway, it’s been an exciting bowl season so far, and hopefully it can end the right way… (UF on top!)

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
vikingrob wrote:

We are not as good as Florida, OU, and USC…

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. While Florida and OU are both deserving teams, USC, Utah, and perhaps Texas will all get jobbed here. [/quote]

The thing about non-BCS teams hasn’t been so much there offenses that have been thought of as inferior(granted last night was an exception against the “big” bama defense) but their defenses, and by god Utah has a GREAT(I’ll say it now) defense when the pressure is on. Interesting how they out-SEC’d the SEC’s #2 team this year.

I’m not knocking Alabama because at the beginning of the year most people thought they were still a year away (including me and me thinking my team was ready for the big stage, little did I know…) and it turns out they were in terms of consistency on the big stage(they were only 1 quarter away from the NC game but that was the 4th quarter the most IMPORTANT quarter of any game).

Utah, if they play like they did last night (domination might I add, they gave up ONE offensive touchdown all last night) could play with anyone and be legit in beating anyone (that includes Florida, OU, Texas and USC).

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Great game that TOTALLY surprised me!

You know what? I don’t want to hear ANY more whining from a D-1 school (from us fans, its okay!)…about being “screwed”.

The AD’s and Presidents had the opportunity to revamp this whole BCS mess, but instead decided to keep the system until, what, like 2012?

Think about it.

It’s doubtful that a Team with an undefeated record, and that is as impressive as Utah is, could ever be in the Championship Game because of the conference they are in.

I’m still hoping against all hope for a D-1 playoff some day.

Mufasa
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Yeah, that was pretty much the last result I expected. I watched it with my Bama alum friends. I was upstairs when Bama ran it back for a TD, and they decided that I should stay upstairs the rest of the night, as I was bad luck.

I refused. :slight_smile:

Good job, Utah!

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[quote]McG78 wrote:

Congrats to the Utes, and I’m happy to see that you, unlike all the other people I’m hearing especially the talking heads, have a brain. Utah only beat a terrible Michigan 25-23 and beat TCU by 3 while OU beat TCU by 25. I’m not saying that Utah isn’t good, but I am saying that they are not national championship material.

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Let them play on the field, then tell me Utah is not National Championship material. If they were undefeated in the Big East, Big 10, Pac 10, or ACC would you say they were not national championship material?

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[quote]McG78 wrote:
Just a general comment about a playoff, a plus one wouldn’t solve it either because who gets in OU, Florida, Texas, and USC? Or do you knock out Texas and put in Utah? How is that fair. Additionally, a eight team playoff isn’t fair either because why does Texas Tech, the number 7 team in the rankings pre-bowls, deserve a shot when they got beat by 44 and after today showed they suck. There isn’t a great answer, but don’t tell me a playoff names the best team (e.g., Giants were not better than the Pats last year).
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McG78:

Some thoughts:

I think you do like the NFL, and simply “tighten-up” the criteria for who goes to the playoffs.

Look at the NFL. Some teams are going to the playoffs with worse records than some Teams that are out. BUT…as EVERY NFL coach tells these guys, almost from day 1 of training camp…

WIN YOUR DIVISION! THAT IS YOUR FIRST PRIORITY!

For D-1, the “divisions” become the Conference Championships. Sure…you may have a “more deserving” Team in the playoffs…but your guys would know the deal; you get into the playoffs as a result of what you do ON THE FIELD.

Question About Alabama:

I know they faced the spread this year (at LEAST Florida)…but was this the first time they faced a) “no huddle” and b) quick, underneath slants to the degree that Utah threw it at them?

It seemed like Utah caught Alabama completely off-guard.

Thoughts?

Mufasa

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[quote]McG78 wrote:

Congrats to the Utes, and I’m happy to see that you, unlike all the other people I’m hearing especially the talking heads, have a brain. Utah only beat a terrible Michigan 25-23 and beat TCU by 3 while OU beat TCU by 25. I’m not saying that Utah isn’t good, but I am saying that they are not national championship material.

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Utah beat Alabama by more than Florida did, they also beat an Oregon State team that toppled USC… comparative scores are one of the most useless things in sports, you can almost take any team, and by analyzing it the way you did, make them out to be better than the national champion of that year.

Utah looked legit, it wasn’t a game where some crazy special teams miscues let an opportunistic non-BCS conference team stay in the game and eek out a win. They looked every bit like a team that could go 6-4+ against that Alabama team.

The only hesitation I would have to say it would be more than that is that missing the best left tackle in the nation is a big deal, look at NFL teams that lose star left tackles and how bad their running game is after they try and replace him. Andre Smith is going to end up being the 2nd pick in the draft(maybe even 1st if Detroit gets Cassel…) so it’s a pretty big deal.

Anyhow I’m glad Utah won, it should do wonders for college football(I’m thinking the MWC might get their automatic BCS bid because of this alone) and it should at least slow down SEC fanatics for a little bit =p

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[quote]red04 wrote:
McG78 wrote:

Congrats to the Utes, and I’m happy to see that you, unlike all the other people I’m hearing especially the talking heads, have a brain. Utah only beat a terrible Michigan 25-23 and beat TCU by 3 while OU beat TCU by 25. I’m not saying that Utah isn’t good, but I am saying that they are not national championship material.

Utah beat Alabama by more than Florida did, they also beat an Oregon State team that toppled USC… comparative scores are one of the most useless things in sports, you can almost take any team, and by analyzing it the way you did, make them out to be better than the national champion of that year.

Utah looked legit, it wasn’t a game where some crazy special teams miscues let an opportunistic non-BCS conference team stay in the game and eek out a win. They looked every bit like a team that could go 6-4+ against that Alabama team.

The only hesitation I would have to say it would be more than that is that missing the best left tackle in the nation is a big deal, look at NFL teams that lose star left tackles and how bad their running game is after they try and replace him. Andre Smith is going to end up being the 2nd pick in the draft(maybe even 1st if Detroit gets Cassel…) so it’s a pretty big deal.

Anyhow I’m glad Utah won, it should do wonders for college football(I’m thinking the MWC might get their automatic BCS bid because of this alone) and it should at least slow down SEC fanatics for a little bit =p[/quote]

I do agree with you, but even with Andre Smith not playing in the game the Utes brought plenty of pressure on BOTH sides of the line, so it wasn’t just the left side, if anything they came from the RIGHT more than they did the left. Great game either, bama only had 208 total yards, damn good defense by Utah.

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Am I the only one who thought Colt McCoy pranced like a (very talented) ballerina for that first touchdown?

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Colt McCoy pranced like a (very talented) ballerina for that first touchdown?[/quote]

Yes.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
pushmepullme wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Colt McCoy pranced like a (very talented) ballerina for that first touchdown?

Yes.[/quote]

So you thought he pranced like an untalented ballerina?

:slight_smile:

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
pushmepullme wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Colt McCoy pranced like a (very talented) ballerina for that first touchdown?

Yes.

So you thought he pranced like an untalented ballerina?

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maybe so…but he needs to stop prancing and put this game away.

And what was up with the “Meh,he’s a QB…he won’t catch ball on me” crap from Gideon just now?? Damn freshman. :slight_smile:

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HOOK 'EM. That was a clutch finish. OSU arguably deserved to win though we played like shit for most of the game, especially the first half.

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[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
HOOK 'EM. That was a clutch finish. OSU arguably deserved to win though we played like shit for most of the game, especially the first half.[/quote]

Tell me about it…UT had numerous chances to put the game away and failed miserably…but good win nevertheless. Now lets see what the Sooners can do…go Gators! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Geez - what is the Big-10’s bowl record this year? 1-6? How much longer do we have to suffer through the talking heads thinking that conference is worth a flying fuck?

There should most definitely be a playoff.

Whoever the numbnuts is saying that Utah is not National Championship material should retire from posting about college football.

I hate Texas. Hate them. Hate is too nice. But they beat Ohio State.

Thursday night is the big one. I hate norman worse than I hate tu. But they are playing the media darlings from florida. For this one game, I hope the sooners beat the dog shit out of Tebow.

If that happens, that should give the Big-12 a 1-2 finish in the polls, cementing my theory that the Big-12 is THE college football conference.

My Red Raiders had a chance to be included when talking about deserving teams, but choked. They aren’t a bad team - they just can’t function properly when they are supposed to win. I am embarrassed for hem.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Geez - what is the Big-10’s bowl record this year? 1-6? How much longer do we have to suffer through the talking heads thinking that conference is worth a flying fuck? [/quote]

I agree, but Texas, who beat the team playing for a National Championship, barely snuck by one of those Big-10 teams. Yes, a W is a W, but let’s be honest, Ohio State should have won.

[quote]There should most definitely be a playoff.

Whoever the numbnuts is saying that Utah is not National Championship material should retire from posting about college football. [/quote]

Again, agreed.

[quote]I hate Texas. Hate them. Hate is too nice. But they beat Ohio State.

Thursday night is the big one. I hate norman worse than I hate tu. But they are playing the media darlings from florida. For this one game, I hope the sooners beat the dog shit out of Tebow. [/quote]

“Media darlings” from Florida? I don’t get how Florida is any more media-exposed than Oklahoma, especially considering Tebow got third in the Heisman voting, even after receiving the most 1st place votes. Plus, I think it’s hilarious that someone on defense from Oklahoma is actually remarking on Florida. I didn’t even know there were cornerbacks in the Big XII.

For this one game, I hope that Chokelahoma lives up to their BCS legacy in the last 5-6 years.

Come on now, I know you know football better than that. Utah should be #2, no matter who wins on Thursday. And as much as I know you hate Pac-10 teams, do you really think that the AP is going to list Texas ahead of USC? Notta chance. It’ll probabably be

  1. (Winner)
  2. (USC/Utah)
  3. (USC/Utah)
  4. (Loser)
  5. (Texas)

I’d be pissed at Leech if I were you. Only 40-45 plays to run in a game? You may be able to get away with that in the Big XII, but we saw what happens when they play even a mediocre defense from the SEC. They underestimated Ole Miss, and just got dominated. I really don’t think the game was as close as the score indicates, either.

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If the title game is close don’t be surprised to see Utah as the AP #1, especially with Texas sneaking by OSU last night(great final drive lead by McCoy though).

I am not knocking Texas but the way they played last night against a team that was blown out by USC(granted not much Pryor and no Wells but still not enough to tip the tables) didn’t impress me much. I was more impressed with a Non-BCS league team not just getting lucky to beat the #2 SEC team but throughly beating them in all phases of the game, Bama only had 208 total yards, TOTAL yards!

So far from the bowl games, I’d put Utah at #1, but we still have the title game (and it could be a classic, who knows?) but I hope Utah is at least #3 after all this is said and done.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
“Media darlings” from Florida? I don’t get how Florida is any more media-exposed than Oklahoma, especially considering Tebow got third in the Heisman voting, even after receiving the most 1st place votes. Plus, I think it’s hilarious that someone on defense from Oklahoma is actually remarking on Florida. I didn’t even know there were cornerbacks in the Big XII.

For this one game, I hope that Chokelahoma lives up to their BCS legacy in the last 5-6 years.[/quote]

You make my point for me. Tebow gets the most 1st place votes. Were he at TCU, Baylor, Hell, even Texas Tech - you wouldn’t even know who the fuck Tim Tebow is.

I will grant you that there is not nearly as much SEC dick smoking going on as there is for the PAC-10 and the Big-10. But if you don’t see the doe-eyed love the press has for Tebow and the Gators, then you are either blind or deaf.

[quote]Come on now, I know you know football better than that. Utah should be #2, no matter who wins on Thursday. And as much as I know you hate Pac-10 teams, do you really think that the AP is going to list Texas ahead of USC? Notta chance. It’ll probabably be

  1. (Winner)
  2. (USC/Utah)
  3. (USC/Utah)
  4. (Loser)
  5. (Texas)[/quote]

I said CONFERENCE, not team. No. I don’t think Utah should pass Texas. I damn sure don’t think USC should pass Texas. Why should Texas fall from #3 to #5 after WINNING a bowl game?

Utah doesn’t have the support to jump 3-4 spots. It’s just not going to happen.

USC might leap frog over Texas, but if they do it will have absolutely nothing to do with football.

But even if you are correct, that still puts 2 Big-12 teams in the top 5.

Fucking Red Raiders totally screwed the pooch in getting 3 B12 South teams into the top 10.

[quote]My Red Raiders had a chance to be included when talking about deserving teams, but choked. They aren’t a bad team - they just can’t function properly when they are supposed to win. I am embarrassed for hem.

I’d be pissed at Leech if I were you. Only 40-45 plays to run in a game? You may be able to get away with that in the Big XII, but we saw what happens when they play even a mediocre defense from the SEC. They underestimated Ole Miss, and just got dominated. I really don’t think the game was as close as the score indicates, either.[/quote]

He doesn’t have ONLY 45 plays. That’s all his playbook consists of, but each pass play is a read on the defense, so you could have any given receiver running 4 different routes on the same “play”. Kinda like the triple option, but each receiver has 3-4 options. What killed Tech was the time off, Crabtree being hurt, and the O-line not slowing down the Ole Miss pass rush.

Give credit to Ole Miss - but Tech did more to beat themselves than Ole Miss did.

I do think Ole Miss is going to be a top SEC team next year, though.

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Texas looked okay last night, but not like world beaters. In fact, if I were them, I wouldn’t want to play Utah either. Of the teams that have played, Utah and USC are 1-2 in my mind. We’ll see what happens Thursday to change that.

Ole Miss dominated Texas Tech in nearly every phase of the game. Not even close. It’s pretty clear that the Big 12 had two great teams and a huge drop-off after that.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Texas looked okay last night, but not like world beaters. In fact, if I were them, I wouldn’t want to play Utah either. Of the teams that have played, Utah and USC are 1-2 in my mind. We’ll see what happens Thursday to change that.

Ole Miss dominated Texas Tech in nearly every phase of the game. Not even close. It’s pretty clear that the Big 12 had two great teams and a huge drop-off after that. [/quote]

Tech was good enough to beat tu. Hell, Tech led for the entire game, save for about a minute and a half. Everyone makes such a big deal about the Crabtree catch beating tu, but no one seems to remember that Tech was already in field goal range.

Tech goes through the Big-12 South with only one loss - to the Number 1 team in the nation, and you think there is a drop off?

You have no fucking clue what you are even talking about.

USC #1? Please.