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[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
DirtyRedneck wrote:

I can’t read this much about TCU. Sorry.

Sarcasm is a poor substititute for substance. It’s not as easy to respond when you can’t just parrot Craig James and all the other BCS cronies on ESPN. [/quote]

I wish I knew who Craig James was so I could get upset over that.

Seriously, if you cannot see why TCU is still JV with the schedule they have, you are too blinded by bias to even be in this conversation. It is not worth my time to exhaust myself trying to convince you that the sky is not green. TCU is a good team, but they have to do more than what they have done to get to any kind of national championship game.

No problem with them getting to a BCS bowl at all, depending on the rest of the field any given year, but beating two decent teams and a bunch of middle school teams wouldn’t guarantee a winning season in one of the major BCS conferences. That is all there is to it. Line up some big boys on the schedule, knock them off, and then there is an argument.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Are we sure that Florida can jump Texas in the BCS rankings with a win over Alabama?[/quote]

Uh… I can pretty much guarantee it. With the points from a win over #1, with the combination of the #1 vote from all the Harris and Coach’s (it will happen, they’re #2 now,) they will definitely jump over Texas - especially because they won’t play.

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
And as long as Florida takes care of business in the SEC game against Alabama, it should be Florida vs. Oklahoma for the BCS National Championship game. And that’s a game I can look forward to seeing since Bob Stoops was the Gators former Defensive Coordinator for the 1996 National Championship team (“Stoops Troops!”).[/quote]

I’m actually really pulling for Mizzou. I know it’s a long shot, but I still think Texas is the better team. I know it’s trendy to say Oklahoma, but Texas has played more solidly all season.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Are we sure that Florida can jump Texas in the BCS rankings with a win over Alabama?[/quote]

Yep.

Whoever wins is in!

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It just seems like there is a pretty big gap between Texas and Florida:

1 Alabama .9713
2 Oklahoma .9351
3 Texas .9223
4 Florida .8851

I would hope Florida would make it with a win, and feel like they would, but crazier things have happened.

At least Texas still has a shot if Missouri wins.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
It just seems like there is a pretty big gap between Texas and Florida:

1 Alabama .9713
2 Oklahoma .9351
3 Texas .9223
4 Florida .8851

I would hope Florida would make it with a win, and feel like they would, but crazier things have happened.

At least Texas still has a shot if Missouri wins.[/quote]

It seems like a pretty big gap, but if Florida beats Alabama , the #1 team in the nation, it will give them a boost in not only the people polls but the computer polls too. I just don’t see the people polls allowing two teams from one conference to play in the title game, ala Mich and OSU, without some major losses by the other teams, which is impossible now since the SEC only has their conference champ game to play. Besides, can you just hear the whining that would come from the southeast if that happened. We’d hear about it for years. There’d be talk of secession.

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It looks like TCU does get some love. They’re the second ranked 2 loss team in the BCS, one spot behind OSU. OSU’s two losses came to USC and PSU, so that’s not a bad 2 loss team to be behind.

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[quote]Bullit wrote:
DirtyRedneck wrote:
It just seems like there is a pretty big gap between Texas and Florida:

1 Alabama .9713
2 Oklahoma .9351
3 Texas .9223
4 Florida .8851

I would hope Florida would make it with a win, and feel like they would, but crazier things have happened.

At least Texas still has a shot if Missouri wins.

It seems like a pretty big gap, but if Florida beats Alabama , the #1 team in the nation, it will give them a boost in not only the people polls but the computer polls too. I just don’t see the people polls allowing two teams from one conference to play in the title game, ala Mich and OSU, without some major losses by the other teams, which is impossible now since the SEC only has their conference champ game to play. Besides, can you just hear the whining that would come from the southeast if that happened. We’d hear about it for years. There’d be talk of secession.[/quote]

Plus, I think everyone in the human polls is aware of the possibility of Florida missing out after beating Bama. I have no doubt that the human polls will work REALLY hard to make sure there isn’t a OU-texas NC game.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
It looks like TCU does get some love. They’re the second ranked 2 loss team in the BCS, one spot behind OSU. OSU’s two losses came to USC and PSU, so that’s not a bad 2 loss team to be behind. [/quote]

Good,
I hope it turns into a decent bowl bid.

You do realize that because they are in a BCS conference, Baylor, yes Baylor, will make more money this bowl season staying home than TCU will make going to a bowl.

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[quote]Rocker3829 wrote:
TCU would get more respect (and so would Utah) if they played in a BCS conference, I have nothing against those teams but a conference with Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, TCU, UNLV, Utah and Wyoming is not going to get any national recognition. Now I know they were 6-1 against the PAC-10, but what teams in the Pac-10 did they beat? NMU beat Arizona, UNLV beat ASU, Utah beat Oregon State, TCU beat Stanford, BYU stomped UCLA, and BYU barely got by Washington.

You could argue with the MWC against the Pac-10 and possibly the Big 10, but not against the ACC, Big East, Big 12 or the SEC (ACC went 3-1 yesterday against the SEC and have two top-25 teams, SEC has 4 Top-25 teams, 2 in the top 5, Big 12 has 5 teams top 25 all of them in the top 17, and the Big East has 2 top 25 teams). Bottom line, not in TCU’s control, but until they play in a BCS conference they will not get the national respect.

Now, intersting info just seen on Fox, the new BCS standings, OU going to the Big 12 Title game, jumping Texas with their win last weekend. Debate away, but now if Missouri can actually beat an OU team(probably won’t happen but you never know) then does Texas go the BCS game? [/quote]

I’m sure the Frogs or Utes would get more respect in a BCS conference but it’s not as if they can just go apply. Hey, we’ve been to 9 bowls in 10 years, 4 10 win seasons, new practice field, new windoor basketball practice facility, very nice new baseball stadium and the baseball team has won or shared the conference baseball title 5 years in a row, please let us in.

The BCS is not a meritrocity. It’s an exclusionary revenue sharing scheme. Often the boundaries are pretty arbitrarily drawn. Is Duke any more of a football force than Wyoming? Is Baylor better than UNLV? Are Cincinnatti, Louisville, and South Florida traditional football powers? Why did they suddenly get let in?

Our conference has dominated the Pac 10, Wyoming (who just fired their coach) beat Tenn in Knowxville this year and Virginia last year, UNLV beat Iowa State (whatever happened to them?). TCU held their own with Louisville, Cinci, and USF when we were conference mates. The JV distinction is often more perception than reality. Yeah we got spanked by OU, besides UT who didn’t?

If we were suddenly in a BCS conference we’d get a lot of advantages that we don’t have now, such as an influx of cash, more interesting opponents, better bowl destinations, and a better TV deal.

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I think the powers that be want to see B12 v. SEC. I’m hoping for a Bama win but I think if UF wins they’ll jump UT, who has to sit and watch. I also want to see OU beat Mizzou.

We need a playoff!

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Not going to lie, I’m going to be a HUGE Mizzou fan this weekend. UF vs UT for the true championship.

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I also think it sucks that mediocre teams in big conferences will be making more money than teams like Utah and TCU.

If we can’t have a playoff, I think that college football should become a little more like soccer over seas. I think it is the English Premier League that has a system where they kick out the worst team and take in the best team from the league just below them; or at least, it is something to that effect. For college football, they should battle for who deserves to be a BCS conference. For example, the Pac-10 would be kicked out of the BCS for next season, and the Mountain West would be in the BCS. Make conferences earn their spot every year.

I am just hoping that Utah doesn’t get shit on. I have heard a few rumors (not from credible people) that Utah could play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. That would suck because if Utah won, people would say they were supposed to win. If Utah loses, people would use it as an example of why Utah and the Mountain West are not up to par with other conferences.

As a Utah fan, I want a chance to earn respect. Hopefully, we get a power like Texas or Alabama.

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[quote]Geebus wrote:
I also think it sucks that mediocre teams in big conferences will be making more money than teams like Utah and TCU.

If we can’t have a playoff, I think that college football should become a little more like soccer over seas. I think it is the English Premier League that has a system where they kick out the worst team and take in the best team from the league just below them; or at least, it is something to that effect. For college football, they should battle for who deserves to be a BCS conference. For example, the Pac-10 would be kicked out of the BCS for next season, and the Mountain West would be in the BCS. Make conferences earn their spot every year.

I am just hoping that Utah doesn’t get shit on. I have heard a few rumors (not from credible people) that Utah could play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. That would suck because if Utah won, people would say they were supposed to win. If Utah loses, people would use it as an example of why Utah and the Mountain West are not up to par with other conferences.

As a Utah fan, I want a chance to earn respect. Hopefully, we get a power like Texas or Alabama.[/quote]

Be patient. If your program really is headed in the right direction, it’ll get respect. Utah hasn’t been prominent enough in the last few years to really garner THAT much respect, so it’ll take time.

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BowlManiac is a poster on ESPN’s College Football message board who has demonstrated a nearly unmatched (as far as I can find) understanding of the computer polls, and this is his take on Florida passing Texas:

Texas is currently leading Florida by 11 pts (According to BowlManiac’s #'s, UF needs to pick up 51 pts relative to UT) in the coach’s poll and trailing by 44 pts in the Harris poll (UF needs to pick up 36 pts relative to Texas). So it’s likely that Florida would pass them with a win over Bama, but UF could sweat a little if their win is extremely close or controversial.

They’ll likely be in with a win, but it’s not a carved-in-stone lock.

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[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
BowlManiac is a poster on ESPN’s College Football message board who has demonstrated a nearly unmatched (as far as I can find) understanding of the computer polls, and this is his take on Florida passing Texas:

Ok, I’m not going to say anything about the pollsters on the topic, as I believe Florida will be #1 in the both polls if they beat Alabama. That being said, regarding the computers will look like:

In the Billingsley, Currently, Florida is 3, Texas is 4. If Florida and Oklahoma both win, Texas will climb to 3, Florida will move up to 2.

In the Sagarin, Florida will move up from 6 to 5, passing only Alabama. They cannot conceivably move up much higher, considering they are almost 3 basis points behind Utah, too big a margin to climb in one game, whereas Texas will remain 2.

In the Colley, Florida is currently 4, Texas is 2. Florida cannot pass Texas, so Texas will remain 2, Florida will be 3.

In the Wolfe, Texas is 2, Florida is 7. What remains in doubt is whether a Florida win will be enough to get them past Utah. Texas will remain 2, Florida will move up to either 4 or 5. More likely, they will jump to #5, as .62 is a lot to climb in a single game. I would predict Texas 2, Florida 5.

In the Massey, Texas is 3 and Florida is 6. Again, the question is whether or not they can vault Utah. Florida cannot realistically pass Texas in this poll, but I think they will be able to move ahead of Utah here to 4th. I would predict Texas 3, Florida 4 in the Massey.

In the Anderson Hester, Texas is currently 3, Florida is 6. Oklahoma will pass Texas with a win, but Florida may not be able to, but it will be very close. My prediction for outcome is that Texas will remain at #3, Florida will be #4 by the slimmest of margins (Texas .800, Florida .799) but it’s gonna be damn close.

So in the computers, Texas will be 3,2,2,2,3,3 for a computer average that remains at .94

Florida will be 2,5,3,5,4,4 for a computer average of .88

From a poll standpoint, being ahead by .06 in the computers translates to having a .02 edge in the computer element of the BCS formula.

Each point of margin in the Coaches poll is worth .000216

Each point of margin in the Harris poll is worth .000115

Multiply is through by 100 and you’ll get this for Texas.

2 > .0216x + .0115y

where x is the margin between the two teams in the coaches poll, and y is the margin in the Harris. So if Texas stays within 40 points in the Coaches poll and 80 in the Harris, they will remain ahead of Florida. If the margin gets much bigger than that, they cannot.

from Bowlmaniac ESPN

Texas is currently leading Florida by 11 pts (According to BowlManiac’s #'s, UF needs to pick up 51 pts relative to UT) in the coach’s poll and trailing by 44 pts in the Harris poll (UF needs to pick up 36 pts relative to Texas). So it’s likely that Florida would pass them with a win over Bama, but UF could sweat a little if their win is extremely close or controversial.

They’ll likely be in with a win, but it’s not a carved-in-stone lock.[/quote]

Right, which is a bit concerning. If Florida beats Bama and doesn’t get into the National Championship, blood will be shed.

…By me.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Geebus wrote:
Be patient. If your program really is headed in the right direction, it’ll get respect. Utah hasn’t been prominent enough in the last few years to really garner THAT much respect, so it’ll take time.[/quote]

How long do they have to wait? They’ve been a strong team since 2004.

I love Bama, but they’ve underachieved for years. Last year they won 6 or 7 games and were in the Independence Bowl last year. Suddenly they are good again and they are immediately #1. This year they are undefeated but their OOC schedule is full of powers like Tulane and Arkansas State.

Is this about who is the best team this year or is it a popularity contest based on past reputation. How far back should that reputation go? If you go back far enough the Ivy League and Service Academies were dominant but they are now excluded from the BCS.

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[quote]Geebus wrote:
I also think it sucks that mediocre teams in big conferences will be making more money than teams like Utah and TCU.

If we can’t have a playoff, I think that college football should become a little more like soccer over seas. I think it is the English Premier League that has a system where they kick out the worst team and take in the best team from the league just below them; or at least, it is something to that effect. For college football, they should battle for who deserves to be a BCS conference. For example, the Pac-10 would be kicked out of the BCS for next season, and the Mountain West would be in the BCS. Make conferences earn their spot every year.

I am just hoping that Utah doesn’t get shit on. I have heard a few rumors (not from credible people) that Utah could play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl. That would suck because if Utah won, people would say they were supposed to win. If Utah loses, people would use it as an example of why Utah and the Mountain West are not up to par with other conferences.

As a Utah fan, I want a chance to earn respect. Hopefully, we get a power like Texas or Alabama.[/quote]

Utah is probably somewhat screwed. If you go to the Fiesta at least you are close enough to take a lot of fans. Boise fans travel fairly well, and are pretty vocal but they are polite and bathe frequently. They could very well make you face Cincinatti or the ACC champ, in a farther away bowl. Then if you don’t take as many folks bowls in the future can say they don’t want you.

Our best rumor has us playing Boise in San Diego. That bowl is on a Tuesday evening 12/23. Somehow I don’t see making that trip. I could do Las Vegas the Saturday before but the Pac 10 6 or 7 is hardly exciting. I think everyone is sick of Houston. We need better bowls.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Not going to lie, I’m going to be a HUGE Mizzou fan this weekend. UF vs UT for the true championship.[/quote]

Get your beer ready. It could be a long night for you. I read a newpaper article out of KC the other day where Mizzou fans were asking the media to shut up about the three-way-tie since it likely will piss OU off to the point of demolishing Mizzou. Although, they have nothing to prove they’re being pushed as if they do.

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If OU’s defense doesn’t show up its gonna be a close game, we know OU is going to score, but Mizzou can score too, OU better start playing D like they did against Tech otherwise if they get to the title game and play Florida, it might be ugly, especially the special teams battle (OU’s sucks, Florida’s is almost perfect right now)

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FYI,

In his career, Chase Daniel is 0-3 against the Sooners with one touchdown pass and six interceptions.