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[quote]Spike9726 wrote:

You are right, TCU didn’t do it on the field. If they’d beaten Utah I wouldn’t be cursing our bowl destinations. If they’d beaten Utah and OU would they be playing for a national championship? Why not?

This is starting to change, but TCU has not gotten the respect they deserve because they are not part of the exclusionary bowl championship series. [/quote]

Here’s their schedule:

@ New Mexico
Stephen F. Austin
Stanford
@ Southern Methodist
@ Oklahoma
San Diego State
@ Colorado State
Brigham Young
Wyoming
@ UNLV
@ Utah
Air Force

They don’t get respect because they’re 1-2 in games that matter. The rest of their schedule is fluff. They are a good team, and I think this year they could have made a case for the BCS if they had run the table.

The only real BCS opponent they faced drilled them. They also essentially get bye weeks between their big games. Teams in BCS conferences have tough games nearly every week. Playing 5-6 teams that at the very least flirt with the top 25 in a row is very different from playing powderpuff teams 3 weeks, then gearing up for a big game. Ask Texas about that.

Some teams do better in this regard than others. Part of this is luck, as well. Clemson was supposed to be quite a force this year, but obviously that didn’t pan out. So teams need a little bit of luck in their OOC schedules. Consider Florida, who plays Miami and Florida State. Some years, that’s a near impossible task, other years, not so much.

The bigger issue is that non-BCS teams need OOC games, because their conference schedule is so flimsy. Not so with the BCS conferences. TCU would be an 8 win team in the SEC at best, no matter their OOC schedule.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Spike9726 wrote:

You are right, TCU didn’t do it on the field. If they’d beaten Utah I wouldn’t be cursing our bowl destinations. If they’d beaten Utah and OU would they be playing for a national championship? Why not?

This is starting to change, but TCU has not gotten the respect they deserve because they are not part of the exclusionary bowl championship series.

Here’s their schedule:

@ New Mexico
Stephen F. Austin
Stanford
@ Southern Methodist
@ Oklahoma
San Diego State
@ Colorado State
Brigham Young
Wyoming
@ UNLV
@ Utah
Air Force

They don’t get respect because they’re 1-2 in games that matter. The rest of their schedule is fluff. They are a good team, and I think this year they could have made a case for the BCS if they had run the table.

The only real BCS opponent they faced drilled them. They also essentially get bye weeks between their big games. Teams in BCS conferences have tough games nearly every week. Playing 5-6 teams that at the very least flirt with the top 25 in a row is very different from playing powderpuff teams 3 weeks, then gearing up for a big game. Ask Texas about that.

As much as everyone talks about the mighty Big 12 and the mighty SEC who do any of them play in OOC? Even my beloved Bama has played a dissapointing Clemson, Tulane, Arkansas State, and the mighty Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky, what does beating them prove? The B12 and SEC play crap OOC then beat up on each other, what does that prove?

Some teams do better in this regard than others. Part of this is luck, as well. Clemson was supposed to be quite a force this year, but obviously that didn’t pan out. So teams need a little bit of luck in their OOC schedules. Consider Florida, who plays Miami and Florida State. Some years, that’s a near impossible task, other years, not so much.

The bigger issue is that non-BCS teams need OOC games, because their conference schedule is so flimsy. Not so with the BCS conferences. TCU would be an 8 win team in the SEC at best, no matter their OOC schedule.

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SFA (yeah they sucked but aleast there was some local interest and they brought some fans) was a last minute addition because Arkansas backed out. SMU is a local rivalry that the old timer powers that be insist on maintaining. I hate that. Stanford beat USC last year.

It’s hard to tell several years in advance how good a team will be. The year we played the home half of a 2 game series with Arizona they started the year ranked #2. In the last decade we’ve played a 4 game series with Northwestern that was signed after Northwestern went to the Rose Bowl. Some years they were better than others but we won 3 out of 4.

We are far from getting weeks off before our big games. As that idiot Corso says NOT SO FAST! This conference we are in insists that most of the important games be played on Thursdays. The BYU game was a home game, on a Thursday night.

The previous Saturday we traveled to Colorado State. They are not a great team but the travel and short week does not help. We beat them in crappy weather with our back up QB. The Utah game, a road game, was also on a Thursday night, after having to travel to Las Vegas 5 days before.

Last years loss at Air Force (an improving team) was a road game on a Thursday night, 5 days after the UT game, which was basically our super bowl. There was definitely a hangover there.

Who says our conference schedule is flimsy! Wyoming beat Tennessee there, and our conference pretty much owned the Pac 10. There are other examples. You say BCS like all qualifier schools are somehow better.

We’d clean house in the Pac 10, and I think the stats already bear that out. We’d clean house in the Big Least, we owned Louisville back in the day. The ACC is hard to read, you’ve got a bunch of pretty good teams that beat each other up. There’s another conference I can’t think of but I’m on my second beer. Oh yeah, the B10, is anyone really impressed with them?

As for the B12 and the SEC, I think there are some great programs there. I’ll submit this to you and I’ll close:

TCU has done fairly well playing in conferences with generally uninteresting, far away opponents that do not bring a lot of fans nor do they stimulate much interest from the casual fans in the DFW area.

They’ve played a ton of mid week games and we are generally locked out of the more prestigious bowls with decent payouts. We are actually pondering our 3rd trip to Houston in 4 years (Texas, OTOH can have their most dissapointing season in years and they still get to treat their fans to a weekend of sipping margaritas on the Riverwalk in San Antonio, and a decent payout from the bowl).

Our TV deals have generally sucked (I had to pay $10/month extra to get VS, and does anyone actually have the MTN?). In spite of all these disadvantages we’ve had a number of 10 win seasons, are 7-2 vs the BCS since 2005, have beaten Tech, and are 1 of 2 of Bob Stoops losses ever in Norman.

Put TCU in the SEC or B12 and you are talking about an immediate infusion of BCS $, better bowl tie ins, a better TV deal, no more mid week football (the bane of my existence), you’re bringing teams to Fort Worth that are close enough to bring a lot of fans plus would draw some casual fans.

(I was really impressed that Ole Miss brought atleast 100 fans for a 3 game series last baseball season). Add all of this to what we have already and there’s no telling how good we might be.

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and got to spend it with the people you love.

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I get the Mtn AND Vs. :wink:

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[quote]pushmepullme wrote:
I get the Mtn AND Vs. ;-)[/quote]

I hate you!

746

Clemson needs to hire Dabo. To do otherwise would be negligent.

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[quote]Spike9726 wrote:
DirtyRedneck wrote:
Spike9726 wrote:

You are right, TCU didn’t do it on the field. If they’d beaten Utah I wouldn’t be cursing our bowl destinations. If they’d beaten Utah and OU would they be playing for a national championship? Why not?

This is starting to change, but TCU has not gotten the respect they deserve because they are not part of the exclusionary bowl championship series.

Here’s their schedule:

@ New Mexico
Stephen F. Austin
Stanford
@ Southern Methodist
@ Oklahoma
San Diego State
@ Colorado State
Brigham Young
Wyoming
@ UNLV
@ Utah
Air Force

They don’t get respect because they’re 1-2 in games that matter. The rest of their schedule is fluff. They are a good team, and I think this year they could have made a case for the BCS if they had run the table.

The only real BCS opponent they faced drilled them. They also essentially get bye weeks between their big games. Teams in BCS conferences have tough games nearly every week.

Playing 5-6 teams that at the very least flirt with the top 25 in a row is very different from playing powderpuff teams 3 weeks, then gearing up for a big game. Ask Texas about that.

As much as everyone talks about the mighty Big 12 and the mighty SEC who do any of them play in OOC? Even my beloved Bama has played a dissapointing Clemson, Tulane, Arkansas State, and the mighty Hilltoppers of Western Kentucky, what does beating them prove? The B12 and SEC play crap OOC then beat up on each other, what does that prove?

Some teams do better in this regard than others. Part of this is luck, as well. Clemson was supposed to be quite a force this year, but obviously that didn’t pan out. So teams need a little bit of luck in their OOC schedules.

Consider Florida, who plays Miami and Florida State. Some years, that’s a near impossible task, other years, not so much.

The bigger issue is that non-BCS teams need OOC games, because their conference schedule is so flimsy. Not so with the BCS conferences. TCU would be an 8 win team in the SEC at best, no matter their OOC schedule.

SFA (yeah they sucked but aleast there was some local interest and they brought some fans) was a last minute addition because Arkansas backed out. SMU is a local rivalry that the old timer powers that be insist on maintaining. I hate that. Stanford beat USC last year.

It’s hard to tell several years in advance how good a team will be. The year we played the home half of a 2 game series with Arizona they started the year ranked #2.

In the last decade we’ve played a 4 game series with Northwestern that was signed after Northwestern went to the Rose Bowl. Some years they were better than others but we won 3 out of 4.

We are far from getting weeks off before our big games. As that idiot Corso says NOT SO FAST! This conference we are in insists that most of the important games be played on Thursdays. The BYU game was a home game, on a Thursday night.

The previous Saturday we traveled to Colorado State. They are not a great team but the travel and short week does not help. We beat them in crappy weather with our back up QB. The Utah game, a road game, was also on a Thursday night, after having to travel to Las Vegas 5 days before.

Last years loss at Air Force (an improving team) was a road game on a Thursday night, 5 days after the UT game, which was basically our super bowl. There was definitely a hangover there.

Who says our conference schedule is flimsy! Wyoming beat Tennessee there, and our conference pretty much owned the Pac 10. There are other examples. You say BCS like all qualifier schools are somehow better.

We’d clean house in the Pac 10, and I think the stats already bear that out. We’d clean house in the Big Least, we owned Louisville back in the day. The ACC is hard to read, you’ve got a bunch of pretty good teams that beat each other up. There’s another conference I can’t think of but I’m on my second beer. Oh yeah, the B10, is anyone really impressed with them?

As for the B12 and the SEC, I think there are some great programs there. I’ll submit this to you and I’ll close:

TCU has done fairly well playing in conferences with generally uninteresting, far away opponents that do not bring a lot of fans nor do they stimulate much interest from the casual fans in the DFW area.

They’ve played a ton of mid week games and we are generally locked out of the more prestigious bowls with decent payouts. We are actually pondering our 3rd trip to Houston in 4 years (Texas, OTOH can have their most dissapointing season in years and they still get to treat their fans to a weekend of sipping margaritas on the Riverwalk in San Antonio, and a decent payout from the bowl).

Our TV deals have generally sucked (I had to pay $10/month extra to get VS, and does anyone actually have the MTN?). In spite of all these disadvantages we’ve had a number of 10 win seasons, are 7-2 vs the BCS since 2005, have beaten Tech, and are 1 of 2 of Bob Stoops losses ever in Norman.

Put TCU in the SEC or B12 and you are talking about an immediate infusion of BCS $, better bowl tie ins, a better TV deal, no more mid week football (the bane of my existence), you’re bringing teams to Fort Worth that are close enough to bring a lot of fans plus would draw some casual fans.

(I was really impressed that Ole Miss brought atleast 100 fans for a 3 game series last baseball season). Add all of this to what we have already and there’s no telling how good we might be.

Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and got to spend it with the people you love.[/quote]

I can’t read this much about TCU. Sorry.

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Go Gators!

They need to dominate FSU even more. The weather is pretty crappy today making it hard for anyone to make some good cuts on runs and pass plays, but the Gators are still up 28-9 in the first half.

Ha ha ha! Nice trick play FSU to end the half.

I can’t believe the FSU fans cheered when Percy Harvin was injured. Low-class as usual!

I can’t believe Georgia lost to Georgia Tech. I wanted the Bulldogs to finish strong since South Carolina and LSU didn’t finish so well this season.

Ironically, I was cheering for Maryland to upset BC so FSU gets into the ACC game, but after the FSU fans cheered when Harvin was injured, I’m not pulling so hard for Maryland to win anymore.

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Jesus, the OU-OSU game made my blood pressure rise about 90 points. Anyone else see the OSU “fumble” that wasn’t? What bull. Had we lost by four or fewer points, I would lose all faith in the BCS.

HAR.

Should be an entertaining day tomorrow. Can’t wait to see all the campaigning/bitching about the BCS rankings!

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:
Clemson needs to hire Dabo. To do otherwise would be negligent.[/quote]

Agreed 100%, not just because we beat our rival by 17 points today, but he was able to change the entire atmosphere down here when a lot of people were ready to tank on the season. He’s a good recruiter too (he’s the primary one who got C.J. Spiller away from the heart of gator country). I can see him being a great coach, he’s just got that fire, that extra something you can’t learn, that desire to win no matter what.

And I’m probably wishful thinking here(but who isn’t for there team?) but last coach to be promoted from assistant head coach/position coach spot was a guy about the same age as Dabo now by the name of Danny Ford(lead Clemson to the 1981 National Championship). Gonna be great to find out here in a couple of years.

pushmepullme, agreed! That no call on that fumble was a bunch of BS, tomorrow nights BCS standings I can’t wait to see already

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[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:

I can’t believe the FSU fans cheered when Percy Harvin was injured. Low-class as usual!
[/quote]

Give me a break it was chanting not cheering, I was there too.

And it was no less classy than Urban Meyer going for a 4th and 1 instead of taking the field goal when your up by 4 scores. Please, gator fans are notoriously classless.

And wet field=tough luck for trick plays, don’t even try to chalk it up to anything but the field was soaked.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:

I can’t believe the FSU fans cheered when Percy Harvin was injured. Low-class as usual!

Give me a break it was chanting not cheering, I was there too.

And it was no less classy than Urban Meyer going for a 4th and 1 instead of taking the field goal when your up by 4 scores. Please, gator fans are notoriously classless.

And wet field=tough luck for trick plays, don’t even try to chalk it up to anything but the field was soaked.[/quote]

Either way, Florida has proven to be a fucking machine. If that’s what they can do on a field drenched in two inches of rain, I hate to see what they could do on a neutral field in Miami, in January. Anyone who tried telling us how much better the Big XII’s elite teams are compared to the Gators are… wrong. Very wrong. Missouri loses, Oklahoma barely beats an over-achieving OSU team, and TT barely beats Baylor.

I still think Texas deserves the nod over TT or Oklahoma, without a doubt. They beat OU on a neutral field, and obviously crushed TT.

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:

I can’t believe the FSU fans cheered when Percy Harvin was injured. Low-class as usual!

Give me a break it was chanting not cheering, I was there too.[/quote]

Interesting form of “chanting.”

It’s called football. You play for 60 minutes. If a team can’t stop another team on fourth and one or when there are only a few seconds left in the game, that’s just how it goes. That has nothing to do with being classless.

With the BCS and how “style points” are needed in order to impress the pollsters, every team has to play until the end and get in those extra scores even when it comes down to the last few seconds of the game even if you’re up by 20, 30 or more points.

That’s how the game goes. I hate how people bitch and moan about “running up the score” and all that other crap. If your team sucks and can’t stop another team, that’s not there problem!

Suck it up.

You’re right. The field was drenched. You’d think the coaches would have taken that into account after nearly the entire first half of the game when people were slipping and sliding all over the field - so attempting a trick play may have ended up just the way it did.

The 'Noles had no chance against Florida. They did have plenty of other chances to win other games this season, and they probably should have won them so they could have been in the ACC game. However, they just couldn’t stay consistent and win the games they needed to (Wake, BC).

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:

And it was no less classy than Urban Meyer going for a 4th and 1 instead of taking the field goal when your up by 4 scores. [/quote]

I have no problem with that. “Oh no! They are scoring too much on us!” Please. FSU was on the field, and it was their job to stop Florida. Perhaps Florida was just trying out plays in preparation for the game next week. Even if they were doing it to “run the score up”, I can’t blame them. The only issue I have is with how reckless it can be to leave starters (especially Tebow, who their team absolutely needs) in the game too long, but that is a risk Meyer is paid to deal with.

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[quote]
I still think Texas deserves the nod over TT or Oklahoma, without a doubt. They beat OU on a neutral field, and obviously crushed TT.[/quote]

Who crushed TT? I think you’re mixing your teams up. TX lost to TT. OU crushed TT by over 40 points. OU was the only team to beat OSU (by 20) at Stillwater this year, while TX barely pulled out the victory over OSU in AUSTIN.

If they don’t want to do BCS playoffs, let’s do conference playoffs. To me, it’s just not fair that no matter what Mizzou does up North they’re still in, when they are no better than the 4th best team in the south.

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You’re right, they shouldnt have called the trick play, but dont chalk it up to anything but the wet field.

And don’t call our fans classless when UF fans are known for their obnoxiousness.

I never said Florida wasn’t a machine, but this is their time. We’ve been there too, all good teams have.

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[quote]DirtyRedneck wrote:

I can’t read this much about TCU. Sorry. [/quote]

Sarcasm is a poor substititute for substance. It’s not as easy to respond when you can’t just parrot Craig James and all the other BCS cronies on ESPN.

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TCU would get more respect (and so would Utah) if they played in a BCS conference, I have nothing against those teams but a conference with Air Force, BYU, Colorado State, New Mexico, San Diego State, TCU, UNLV, Utah and Wyoming is not going to get any national recognition. Now I know they were 6-1 against the PAC-10, but what teams in the Pac-10 did they beat? NMU beat Arizona, UNLV beat ASU, Utah beat Oregon State, TCU beat Stanford, BYU stomped UCLA, and BYU barely got by Washington.

You could argue with the MWC against the Pac-10 and possibly the Big 10, but not against the ACC, Big East, Big 12 or the SEC (ACC went 3-1 yesterday against the SEC and have two top-25 teams, SEC has 4 Top-25 teams, 2 in the top 5, Big 12 has 5 teams top 25 all of them in the top 17, and the Big East has 2 top 25 teams). Bottom line, not in TCU’s control, but until they play in a BCS conference they will not get the national respect.

Now, intersting info just seen on Fox, the new BCS standings, OU going to the Big 12 Title game, jumping Texas with their win last weekend. Debate away, but now if Missouri can actually beat an OU team(probably won’t happen but you never know) then does Texas go the BCS game?

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[quote]GetSwole wrote:
You’re right, they shouldnt have called the trick play, but dont chalk it up to anything but the wet field.[/quote]

Hey, I’m all for trick plays. It was just funny that they tried it when the field was that wet and the guy just slipped and fell! :wink:

Oh, I agree. There are always bad fans on both sides. A few bad apples can ruin it for the bushel.

True.

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I don’t think there is a whole lot to debate about OU over Texas for the Big 12 Championship game.

We already knew that OU was barely behind Texas in the rankings. And for the Coaches and Harris polls, OU was ahead of Texas (despite losing to Texas).

Once you figure in the wins over TT and Oklahoma State, and a few people who changed their votes, you can see how OU would barely nudge Texas for the championship game.

Yeah, it sucks for Texas. But they still have a shot at the BCS game should Mizzou upset OU. Even though that may not happen, Texas will still get a nice BCS Bowl bid (Sugar or Fiesta).

With the current top teams in the BCS polls, we should have some very good bowl games.

  1. Alabama
  2. Oklahoma
  3. Texas
  4. Florida
  5. USC
  6. Utah
  7. Texas Tech
  8. Penn State
  9. Boise State
  10. Ohio State

It’ll be fun watching all of the above teams duke it out in the January bowl games!

And as long as Florida takes care of business in the SEC game against Alabama, it should be Florida vs. Oklahoma for the BCS National Championship game. And that’s a game I can look forward to seeing since Bob Stoops was the Gators former Defensive Coordinator for the 1996 National Championship team (“Stoops Troops!”).

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Are we sure that Florida can jump Texas in the BCS rankings with a win over Alabama?