College FB Players & Muscle Mass

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why is it surprising that elite athletes, many who will go on to the NFL, are bigger and stronger than AMATEUR bodybuilders? Plenty of self-proclaimed (deluded)‘bodybuilders’ have no business being on stage.

Good post.

That includes the ones “doing it for the experience” that we have had on this site who carry less muscle than some rank newbies.[/quote]

Yeah. I mean, imagine what D1 football would look like if anyone who wanted to could just walk on the field.

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Alquemist:

What all these sprints, plyometrics, jumping, hurdling, etc. etc. really does is takes guys who probably are ALREADY excellent at partitioning calories to almost an in-human level.

Most of these guys probably partition a MUCH higher percentage of their ingested calories toward muscle compared to you and me.

Couple this with high natural Test to Estradiol levels; efficient motor-unit firing; sprinkle in a little genetics and some juice (for some!)…

And you’re got a mutant.

Click-freakin’-Clack…

Mufasa

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why is it surprising that elite athletes, many who will go on to the NFL, are bigger and stronger than AMATEUR bodybuilders? Plenty of self-proclaimed (deluded)‘bodybuilders’ have no business being on stage.

Good post.

That includes the ones “doing it for the experience” that we have had on this site who carry less muscle than some rank newbies.

Yeah. I mean, imagine what D1 football would look like if anyone who wanted to could just walk on the field.[/quote]

Apparently, the rules are different in bodybuilding than in EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE.

The most informed lifters…are the smallest guys.

The biggest and strongest lifters…don’t know how they did it and can’t help beginners.

The people who have achieved more than the weakest “hardgainer”…all used drugs so that is the only reason they succeeded…well, that and genetics. Hard work and being intelligent about what you are doing is clearly not needed if you are “too big”.

Oh, and finally, ignore what the majority of the best built have done…because the smallest minority have figured out the “secret way” to get really big…they just haven’t done it yet.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Just to add a little to what Prof and SSC said:

These guys are:

  1. Hormonally speaking, are at the peak of there natural mass building and

  2. They couple eating big with weight lifting and simply playing Football (sprints, full-out runs, plyometrics…the list goes on and on).

Everything these guys do supports putting on mass, at a time when they bodies are primed to do so.

Mufasa[/quote]

Exactly. Think of lInemen, the essentially do hard chest and leg presses every play, running backs run through guys, and break through tackles, which is just like sledwork. All of these facts add into why football players are so huge, and have the strength to back it up. Youtube Adrain Peterson doing plyo boxes with a 90 pound dumbbell in each hand…sick.

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[quote]Jabbate wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Just to add a little to what Prof and SSC said:

These guys are:

  1. Hormonally speaking, are at the peak of there natural mass building and

  2. They couple eating big with weight lifting and simply playing Football (sprints, full-out runs, plyometrics…the list goes on and on).

Everything these guys do supports putting on mass, at a time when they bodies are primed to do so.

Mufasa

Exactly. Think of lInemen, the essentially do hard chest and leg presses every play, running backs run through guys, and break through tackles, which is just like sledwork. All of these facts add into why football players are so huge, and have the strength to back it up. Youtube Adrain Peterson doing plyo boxes with a 90 pound dumbbell in each hand…sick.

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Those same guys would still be bigger than most even if they did NOT do plyometrics or anything like that.

The person who trains in the gym like these guys do and who eats with a solid purpose and goal in mind will make the most progress.

I get the feeling most here barely break a sweat when lifting and think just showing up is enough.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why is it surprising that elite athletes, many who will go on to the NFL, are bigger and stronger than AMATEUR bodybuilders? Plenty of self-proclaimed (deluded)‘bodybuilders’ have no business being on stage.

Good post.

That includes the ones “doing it for the experience” that we have had on this site who carry less muscle than some rank newbies.

Yeah. I mean, imagine what D1 football would look like if anyone who wanted to could just walk on the field.

Apparently, the rules are different in bodybuilding than in EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE.

The most informed lifters…are the smallest guys.

The biggest and strongest lifters…don’t know how they did it and can’t help beginners.

The people who have achieved more than the weakest “hardgainer”…all used drugs so that is the only reason they succeeded…well, that and genetics. Hard work and being intelligent about what you are doing is clearly not needed if you are “too big”.

Oh, and finally, ignore what the majority of the best built have done…because the smallest minority have figured out the “secret way” to get really big…they just haven’t done it yet.[/quote]

… or claim that they don’t even want to.

Never mind that that makes their arguments even less logical than they already are.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Jabbate wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Just to add a little to what Prof and SSC said:

These guys are:

  1. Hormonally speaking, are at the peak of there natural mass building and

  2. They couple eating big with weight lifting and simply playing Football (sprints, full-out runs, plyometrics…the list goes on and on).

Everything these guys do supports putting on mass, at a time when they bodies are primed to do so.

Mufasa

Exactly. Think of lInemen, the essentially do hard chest and leg presses every play, running backs run through guys, and break through tackles, which is just like sledwork. All of these facts add into why football players are so huge, and have the strength to back it up. Youtube Adrain Peterson doing plyo boxes with a 90 pound dumbbell in each hand…sick.

Those same guys would still be bigger than most even if they did NOT do plyometrics or anything like that.

The person who trains in the gym like these guys do and who eats with a solid purpose and goal in mind will make the most progress.

I get the feeling most here barely break a sweat when lifting and think just showing up is enough.[/quote]

I trained very intensely today. Shoulkder.s Lateral raises were killer. And biceps as well were very painful and intense. Hardcore even if i dare say. My overhead standing barbell shoulder press has gotten very much strongrer over the past month and I am veru pleased. Also my front squat has improved a bunch.

I train hard, and eat big,

And I do cardio on off days. I seriously belivee. if I eat tons, and do cardoo on off days, and do this for years, that I will be huge, providing I am the strongest sob in the gym.

And those guys, who I see giant setting and playing around.They are no mathc for me, I have become a machine. I talk to no one. I am just there, to lift weight get it? They look at me furing my sets… grinding out those reps like its do or die and they are scared i can see it in their eyes… they fear me. What I may become.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why is it surprising that elite athletes, many who will go on to the NFL, are bigger and stronger than AMATEUR bodybuilders? Plenty of self-proclaimed (deluded)‘bodybuilders’ have no business being on stage.

Good post.

That includes the ones “doing it for the experience” that we have had on this site who carry less muscle than some rank newbies.

Yeah. I mean, imagine what D1 football would look like if anyone who wanted to could just walk on the field.

Apparently, the rules are different in bodybuilding than in EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE.

The most informed lifters…are the smallest guys.

The biggest and strongest lifters…don’t know how they did it and can’t help beginners.

The people who have achieved more than the weakest “hardgainer”…all used drugs so that is the only reason they succeeded…well, that and genetics. Hard work and being intelligent about what you are doing is clearly not needed if you are “too big”.

Oh, and finally, ignore what the majority of the best built have done…because the smallest minority have figured out the “secret way” to get really big…they just haven’t done it yet.[/quote]

I would be much happier if even amateur bodybuilding competitions had some qualifying standards.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Professor X wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Why is it surprising that elite athletes, many who will go on to the NFL, are bigger and stronger than AMATEUR bodybuilders? Plenty of self-proclaimed (deluded)‘bodybuilders’ have no business being on stage.

Good post.

That includes the ones “doing it for the experience” that we have had on this site who carry less muscle than some rank newbies.

Yeah. I mean, imagine what D1 football would look like if anyone who wanted to could just walk on the field.

Apparently, the rules are different in bodybuilding than in EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF LIFE.

The most informed lifters…are the smallest guys.

The biggest and strongest lifters…don’t know how they did it and can’t help beginners.

The people who have achieved more than the weakest “hardgainer”…all used drugs so that is the only reason they succeeded…well, that and genetics. Hard work and being intelligent about what you are doing is clearly not needed if you are “too big”.

Oh, and finally, ignore what the majority of the best built have done…because the smallest minority have figured out the “secret way” to get really big…they just haven’t done it yet.

… or claim that they don’t even want to.

Never mind that that makes their arguments even less logical than they already are.
[/quote]

Yup.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Jabbate wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Just to add a little to what Prof and SSC said:

These guys are:

  1. Hormonally speaking, are at the peak of there natural mass building and

  2. They couple eating big with weight lifting and simply playing Football (sprints, full-out runs, plyometrics…the list goes on and on).

Everything these guys do supports putting on mass, at a time when they bodies are primed to do so.

Mufasa

Exactly. Think of lInemen, the essentially do hard chest and leg presses every play, running backs run through guys, and break through tackles, which is just like sledwork. All of these facts add into why football players are so huge, and have the strength to back it up. Youtube Adrain Peterson doing plyo boxes with a 90 pound dumbbell in each hand…sick.

Those same guys would still be bigger than most even if they did NOT do plyometrics or anything like that.

The person who trains in the gym like these guys do and who eats with a solid purpose and goal in mind will make the most progress.

I get the feeling most here barely break a sweat when lifting and think just showing up is enough.[/quote]

For the audience being discussed: work ethic is so underrated.

When I graduated high school,I was 240lbs…over a years time which included working out with powerlifters and doing football drills…I gained 35lbs. Yeah,I gained fat…but I didn’t care because I also got faster and stronger. All of this correlates with the two points made above.

Its much easier to train for optimal strength,size,etc…and then cut back…than it is to hold yourself at a deficit…because its about the sport…not the looks.

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I don’t know if this means much to the discussion…but. My schools program had us lifting in more powerlifting/explosive sessions in offseason.

During the season we lifted twice a week with more “bodybuilding” lifts…usually on Wed. and day after games(even if injured)…helped recovery tons…along with ice baths.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
I don’t know if this means much to the discussion…but. My schools program had us lifting in more powerlifting/explosive sessions in offseason.

During the season we lifted twice a week with more “bodybuilding” lifts…usually on Wed. and day after games(even if injured)…helped recovery tons…along with ice baths.[/quote]

This is essentially what I imagined. I’ve also heard about a lot of football players doing light circuit training during the season.

Something I was thinking about today - Imagine how long football players have to really ‘bulk’ or whatever you want to call what they do in the off season. In high school, they have around seven or eight months. In college, they have even less, and even less than that in the pros. It’s weird, they’re bigger than (as already mentioned) half of the ‘bodybuilders’ around these forums who go on their idea of a bulk for 1+ years.

This leads me to the startling conclusion that it’s the quality of the bulk, not the quantity… and also, that !surprise! doing compound lifts works!

I’m glad I’m making these incredible revelations.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I don’t know if this means much to the discussion…but. My schools program had us lifting in more powerlifting/explosive sessions in offseason.

During the season we lifted twice a week with more “bodybuilding” lifts…usually on Wed. and day after games(even if injured)…helped recovery tons…along with ice baths.

This is essentially what I imagined. I’ve also heard about a lot of football players doing light circuit training during the season.

Something I was thinking about today - Imagine how long football players have to really ‘bulk’ or whatever you want to call what they do in the off season. In high school, they have around seven or eight months. In college, they have even less, and even less than that in the pros. It’s weird, they’re bigger than (as already mentioned) half of the ‘bodybuilders’ around these forums who go on their idea of a bulk for 1+ years.

This leads me to the startling conclusion that it’s the quality of the bulk, not the quantity… and also, that !surprise! doing compound lifts works!

I’m glad I’m making these incredible revelations.[/quote]

It isn’t even that complicated. They drive to gain strength and body weight with that alone as the primary focus. Most of the people here are concerned that if they gain more than exactly 1lbs per week that they will become hopelessly obese.

It’s the same thing we have been saying for years on this forum and it isn’t any different than we trained in football.

You can’t pull your body in two directions at once and expect optimal results.

Basic genetic potential, consistency and drive to reach a goal are pretty much all there is to it, not specifically what exercise is being performed.

I wouldn’t even call most of the people on these forums “bodybuilders”. Most of them don’t have arms over 15" and unless they are all 5’2", that isn’t very much progress.

They are “general fitness trainers” who just happen to post in the bodybuilding forum all of the time.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I don’t know if this means much to the discussion…but. My schools program had us lifting in more powerlifting/explosive sessions in offseason.

During the season we lifted twice a week with more “bodybuilding” lifts…usually on Wed. and day after games(even if injured)…helped recovery tons…along with ice baths.

This is essentially what I imagined. I’ve also heard about a lot of football players doing light circuit training during the season.

Something I was thinking about today - Imagine how long football players have to really ‘bulk’ or whatever you want to call what they do in the off season. In high school, they have around seven or eight months. In college, they have even less, and even less than that in the pros. It’s weird, they’re bigger than (as already mentioned) half of the ‘bodybuilders’ around these forums who go on their idea of a bulk for 1+ years.

This leads me to the startling conclusion that it’s the quality of the bulk, not the quantity… and also, that !surprise! doing compound lifts works!

I’m glad I’m making these incredible revelations.[/quote]

Very true…there’s not much time at all…especially for gaining mass. Even if mass gain is not attained,more strength/explosiveness in that same period is of greater benefit for football…depending on your position and/or shortcomings.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
SSC wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
I don’t know if this means much to the discussion…but. My schools program had us lifting in more powerlifting/explosive sessions in offseason.

During the season we lifted twice a week with more “bodybuilding” lifts…usually on Wed. and day after games(even if injured)…helped recovery tons…along with ice baths.

This is essentially what I imagined. I’ve also heard about a lot of football players doing light circuit training during the season.

Something I was thinking about today - Imagine how long football players have to really ‘bulk’ or whatever you want to call what they do in the off season. In high school, they have around seven or eight months. In college, they have even less, and even less than that in the pros. It’s weird, they’re bigger than (as already mentioned) half of the ‘bodybuilders’ around these forums who go on their idea of a bulk for 1+ years.

This leads me to the startling conclusion that it’s the quality of the bulk, not the quantity… and also, that !surprise! doing compound lifts works!

I’m glad I’m making these incredible revelations.

It isn’t even that complicated. They drive to gain strength and body weight with that alone as the primary focus. Most of the people here are concerned that if they gain more than exactly 1lbs per week that they will become hopelessly obese.

It’s the same thing we have been saying for years on this forum and it isn’t any different than we trained in football.

You can’t pull your body in two directions at once and expect optimal results.

Basic genetic potential, consistency and drive to reach a goal are pretty much all there is to it, not specifically what exercise is being performed.

[/quote]

I remember we had a short PM discussion about that…regardless of your goal…you’re gonna sacrifice something if you are truly working towards the particular goal you have at the time.

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[quote]hugedude1990 wrote:
Dylanj wrote:
hugedude1990 wrote:

No shit i’m comparing apples and oranges. That’s the point. I’m not ifbb or superb amateaur bodybuilders to college football playersif that is what you think. But I swear I’ve seen a lot of fuckers that would have made some decent amateurs piss their pants. I was also making a point that its like these guys never worry or complicate things, there is no “cutting” or “bulking” or “clean bulking”. It’s like some of them even binge drink on weekends, eat bad food, etc…but their training intensity takes care of everything.

I think it is funny that guys on this site hit the juice before even touching 200lbs. [/quote]

dont be a dick, you will only make yourself look like a fool, and lose respect from other members.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Everything these guys do supports putting on mass, at a time when they bodies are primed to do so.[/quote]

I wouldn’t really say that practicing helps them to get big. A 3 hour practice burns calorie and puts a big hole in your eating schedule.

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This thread confirms that I am doing the right thing in saying, “fuck abs,” for a few years.

Just to add, the team atmosphere with these guys and training is intense. I had the opportunity to use the same weight room as the athletes at my undergrad school. Amazing. They all push each other to be better–that kind of support will push anyone to achieve big gains.