Coach with no Clue on Benching, Need Scientific Help

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]forevernade wrote:
forevernade wrote:
Hanley wrote:
forevernade wrote:
If he is pissing you off too much about the arch, really the arch is just to activate the lower pec more (which has a higher potential mass and strength than the upper pec). It is a totally powerlifting thing.

What…the…fuck…???

What was wrong with what I said? I thought that was part of the reason people arched. Of course, with a response like that, I am wrong…

Bump?[/quote]

I’ll let someone else take it.

I’m short on time guys, help me out?

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it decreases rom and improves stability with a tighter back.

you should ask your coach how much he benches.

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Maybe just feign effort during his 'workouts" and tests.

Then train your ass off, your way, at another point in the day.

Proceed to leave everyone else behind.[/quote]

Seconded, I did this last hockey season. This year my coach knows, and is cool with me not training with the team.

Be careful on your volume of training though. It all adds up, especially in a sport with long practices/games like baseball!

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Not that I’m telling you to defy your coach, but I’d be really interested to see how much of a mockery you could make it. Just keep cutting it a little higher each time until all you do is unrack the bar and then rerack it.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
You’d have to have a pansy ass lower back to hurt it benching.

This myth is complete nonsense.[/quote]

I know some guys with some pretty strong pulls who have “pansy ass lower backs” then.

Of course there’s a difference between “jacked-up and sore,” which they had, and “injured”

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i had a pretty good strength coach for hockey when i was in college and he would explain it like this…

an athlete should have the same basic posture for any movement performed whether it be on the field or in the weightroom. head up, chest up, bent at the knees. (try to bend your knees without arching your back. not easy) whether you’re playing football, skating in hockey or playing third base this is always your ready position. so why in the f*&k would you have your athlete lift weights any differently?

the arch in the bench press is your body’s way of activating your core and allowing your body to generate the most force possible through that core. core strength is not achieved through crunches or a goddamn bosu ball. it is achieved by using it in a variety of planes that teach your body how to generate as much force as possible through that core.

i can see if a bodybuilder wanted to change things up a bit in the bench press to put more direct load on their chest, triceps, and shoulders but to not let you arch is stupid.

tell your coach that as an athlete, you should be learning how to generate force when you’re in the weightroom, not build beautiful pecs and shoulders. i just hope he lets you arch your back when you squat.

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So the best I can take out of this is,
So well the current plan is to not burn myself up when i do their organized lifting, and then go home and at least get my main lift for the day done.

I really haven’t come up with any other options unfortunately. The bench press was like the issue that really really killed me. I already have fundamental disagreements with everything they call “training,” then to throw that in the mix just kinda made me hit the limit with what I can regularly handle.

I’ve been looking for an opportunity to have an “academic” discussion with either coach, but that never seems be a reasonable opportunity. My coach has joked about how much random stuff I tend to know about everything, so they know I’m intelligent. And they know I’m applying to some top top tier places.

I’ve covered The Science and Practice of Strength Training by Zatziorsky, Buckholz CNS training stuff (I think there’s an application for baseball), anything Cressey, Simmons, DeFranco, and any prominent T-Nation writer has ever published online. Took anatomy just to get the college textbook to learn and read up on nervous system and muscular function.

I don’t know how I can express to my coach that I would actually know what I’m talking about.

I actually have to miss the baseball workout for at least the next 2 weeks do to pitching games two days after (the workouts are max testing). Last time I got yelled at for not lifting anyways. Makes no sense, I’m going to go throw 5+ innings, i need everything I have got and I had already lifted 3 times the week I got yelled at.

Running distance is a prominent thing in our program too. Not only have MLB and D1 college coaches said it’s dumb, but it’s flat illogical anyhow. I’d be scared to death to ever challenge him on this one.

It’s the assumed ignorance that kills me. As if the staff knows it all and clearly we can’t know anything cause we are students. That’s just how it always feels.

I want to be the best I and the team could possibly be. Hell, what I do on my own is more challenging and painful than what they force us to do. Either way, i don’t know how I can possibly bring this up.

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dont know why is that a problem if you are good in pitching?you need to stick with your routine,if you cant explaine to your coach,dont bother,just keep on benching your style,if you hurt yourself with his way of benching it wont mater to him and its your game over.

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[quote]baseballer2150 wrote:
So the best I can take out of this is,
So well the current plan is to not burn myself up when i do their organized lifting, and then go home and at least get my main lift for the day done.
[/quote]

You’re headed the right direction, but you’d be better off getting up early to get your “main lift” in the morning, and then treat the team work outs as accessory work. If you’re going to be doing 2-a-days, you want you’re main movements first. Just make sure you go to bed early enough when in doubt, try to cut the volume from the team workouts first.

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[quote]loveforiron wrote:
dont know why is that a problem if you are good in pitching?you need to stick with your routine,if you cant explaine to your coach,dont bother,just keep on benching your style,if you hurt yourself with his way of benching it wont mater to him and its your game over.[/quote]

Well right now I have to be in there for baseball at least once a week. Soon it’ll be at least twice a week. So we’re looking at 1 or 2 sessions a week being just wasteful.

I like the two-a-days idea, I’ll have to see how I can work that in.

Today I got ridden cause I didn’t want to max test my partial bench press, because I"m pitching in front of coaches and scouts on Saturday. My coaches didn’t seem to think that was a reasonable excuse.

I don’t get it. I think I’m going to have to go in and sit down and talk to him to discuss what the deal is, at least in terms of expecting me to max test less than 48 hours before I get on the mound for a game.

Isn’t the whole point of it all to make the athletes better?

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Just show a reasonable effort in the bench test (95% as opposed to 100%) and make sure to stretch plenty and get plenty of sleep. If you can’t recover from doing 95% in a partial in 2 days, then you need to work on your work capacity.

The nice thing about 2 a days is that it will be easy to cut back the volume when you need to. You have the option of cutting out volume from your morning workouts. After adapting to 2 a days and baseball, you should recover fine when cutting out one of the training sessions.

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[quote]Hanley wrote:
forevernade wrote:
If he is pissing you off too much about the arch, really the arch is just to activate the lower pec more (which has a higher potential mass and strength than the upper pec). It is a totally powerlifting thing.

What…the…fuck…???[/quote]

Man, that’s two consecutive days now that I can see why the elitist T-cell was created.

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just dont lift with the team, this is what ido, make it look like i am, put a belt on walk around do some spottig help rack and unrack weights then i go home and GET BIG SON