Club Bouncer Holds zman Hostage in Bathroom

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

OK, how is this instance affecting you?

Are you now at more risk of getting held in bathrooms by black bouncers as a result of this?

The answer? Hell no. If anything, after they get done throwing everything they can at the bouncer in this instance, you will have far less than most to worry about.

Therefore, how can you act as if your response to something like this is the same as my response to something I have faced several times over and will face many times over in the future?

That was why I mentioned raving about problems that have the greatest social consequences…and this damn sure ain’t one of them.[/quote]

If we are going prosecute white men for mentioning race when they assault a black man, it should go the same way when a black man mentions race while assaulting a white man.

How does it affect me? If I am ever the victim of hate crime (as defined by the law), I want the person doing the assaulting charged and prosecuted for it. [/quote]

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.[/quote]

I got news for you…depending on the neighborhood, cops fuck with white people too.

And again, something does not have to affect us directly for us to have moral outrage. It’s called EMPATHY AND COMPASSION - and a sense of justice. Without such feelings, there would have been no civil rights movement, among other things. [/quote]

BULLSHIT. You have very rarely even mentioned the victim as far as your all out concern for his well being and seem WAY more focused on what this bouncer said.

Yeah, cops fuck with white people too…but unless you think there ISN’T a huge discrepancy in how often and how they treat blacks in those same cities, you are missing the point.

You can’t harp about double standards while ignoring what affect these standards have on society as whole. They are NOT all equal.

Some random no name bouncer acting like an ass IN HIS OWN CLUB is NOTHING like some COP following me around the city just because of my skin color.

Avoid the club, you avoid the jackass AND take money out of his pocket. I can’t avoid driving home.[/quote]

You’re missing the point. I’m equally concerned with your inability to move about Houston freely as I am seeing the weaker among us victimized. I made a single reference to what the moron bouncer uttered. Why should I mention the fucking victim? Did he do something wrong? Or are we discussing the actions of the bouncer - which by the way are completely indefensible.

We are discussing the bouncer and his actions. We are not discussing race (other than my reference to “hate crime” which in and of itself is a legal doctrine, not an issue of “race”). You made it about race. You made it about police. It’s about the asshole bouncer. It’s about that he’s pretty much par for the course as far as bouncers go.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.[/quote]

When did I say they were the same? I all I said is that they were both issues and that you are more concerned with the issues affecting you and that I’m going to voice my opinions on the issues that affect me.

I think racial profiling is a bigger issue than the double standard where hate crimes are involved. So that means I shouldn’t bring up a double standard when I see it? Especially when it’s perfectly on topic regarding the OP? One doesn’t negate the other.

My stance has nothing to due with black bouncers in specific. I just want to see the hate crime laws applied consistently to all races.[/quote]

HOW is this affecting you? Could you please answer how this one bouncer acting like an ass and then getting the whole book thrown at him in court as people across the world harass him to the point that HE needs to call the cops affects you?

If anything, like has been stated, you will be at far LESS risk of anything like that happening again.

Why is it so hard to answer the question?

Is it because we already know the answer?[/quote]

Why can’t YOU answer the question? Why does it have to affect someone directly for us to have an emotional outrage? Answer that question.

Do you think the people that get harassed by the police get things changed or, the people who do not get harassed yet have the moral outrage to do something about it? Give me an example of where the oppressed changed things on their own.

Anyway, I’m off to watch my “nephew” who is BLACK play for Trenton Catholic v. Trenton High.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good job. Clearly we need a “kiddie debate” room.

Hey, maybe if we throw in a Wii we won’t even have to see most of you again![/quote]

Fuck Wii, PS3 with unlimited access to the PS store or bust!

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
X, you are turning in to the Al Sharpton of T Nation. I won’t speak for everyone, but I know which side of the fence you will be on in most threads before you even post. Not a good quality IMO, not that you will give a fuck.[/quote]

It has been like this for 10 years. He has not “become”, he always was.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:
X, you are turning in to the Al Sharpton of T Nation. I won’t speak for everyone, but I know which side of the fence you will be on in most threads before you even post. Not a good quality IMO, not that you will give a fuck.[/quote]

?

What side? I am asking why people are acting like this one man who is receiving punishment and will likely be locked up equals some cop harassing me on the street as they get ZERO punishment…but you are claiming my stance is wrong?

What does this statement have to do with Al Sharpton? Or are you just incapable of understanding what is written if it dares challenge your thought process?

If you can attack my position, do so…but avoiding that and attacking me personally has gotten quite old and very unoriginal on your part and anyone else’s.[/quote]

The fact you seem to be missing is that we do not lack outrage for the police either. And it has nothing at all to do with this thread - nothing. We can still be outraged by this cocksucking bully and I promise you, when you make a post about the Houston police, we’ll be there posting our hatred of them cocksuckers too.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good job. Clearly we need a “kiddie debate” room.

Hey, maybe if we throw in a Wii we won’t even have to see most of you again![/quote]

Wii has a WHITE console, better not use that, maybe an original x box?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Big brown took down a skinny little dude. I’ll bet the whole thing never would have ended up the way it did if the “dealer” was huge.[/quote]

Never would have happened if the dude was anything other than what he was.

That bouncer had him pegged for a bitch as soon as he came in, then culled him from the flock under the guise of checking for drugs.

I’ve known a lot of people he behave like opportunistic predators, and that bouncer is definitely one of them. He knew exactly what he was doing and how it would go the whole time.
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Exactly. Although it is just a matter of time before he profiles a victim poorly. He will eventually end up with a blade between the ribs or a gunshot wound.[/quote]

I doubt it. Anyone capable of taking action in another way would have long before they became cornered or vulnerable.

That he didn’t get his jaw broken or his eye socket shattered out on the floor when he approached the guy is pretty much proof positive that he picks the right people to fuck with.

Just a guess, but I’d say that bouncer has been doing shit like this for a long time in one form or another.[/quote]

I think your assessment of the bouncer is spot on. He is calm and calculated during his interrogation and he remains calm after he begins assaulting his victim. There is no doubt in my mind that he has done this before. I am sure that his “performance” has evolved from previous incidents, based on what he perceived as successful outcomes. People like this build on those experiences and slowly become more brazen when they commit their next act.

As for those people who are capable of taking action before they allowed themselves to get cornered or in a vulnerable position, I am sure that you are right if they perceived a physical assault was imminent. However, this does not appear to be this bouncer’s MO. He is articulate and calm which may lull people into a false sense of security until at which time he carries out his assault and robbery.

Additionally, if people perceive that he is in a position of power or authority, they may do what he asks merely because of that. Once he baits the “victim” into the bathroom under these guises then he is gambling on how well he profiles his victims. Complacency for both the bouncer and the â??victimâ?? who is capable of taking care of business would have to be present.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good job. Clearly we need a “kiddie debate” room.

Hey, maybe if we throw in a Wii we won’t even have to see most of you again![/quote]

Wii has a WHITE console, better not use that, maybe an original x box?[/quote]

the new xbox’s are black… I just got one last month

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[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:[/quote]vs.

This was very true in fact.

I remember when the verdict came out, I was in the athlete lounge at USC watching it on TV. Everyone, and I mean everyone from all sports was there to see. When the verdict came out, most of the black athletes were like “yeah!” while everyone else and most of the girls were like “wtf?!”

It all evened out though, OJ got beat up last month while in prison. Apparently he was bragging about his conquests of white females and a member of the Aryan brotherhood heard him. Sources say he was in the hospital infirmary for a month.

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This has nothing to do with race. NOTHING.

The point about the white guy possibly being someone’s son was meant to put into perspective that, if it would make you angry (had it been your son), it SHOULD make you angry regardless.

If a girl is raped whom you knew, you would likely be pissed. You SHOULD be pissed if it was any girl raped.

I am curious what X and others would have thought if it was a white bouncer and a scrawny black guy. Would the correlation be drawn to Houston police picking on black people? “Well, this is exactly like white LEOs picking on black people…”

I am pretty sure that’s the connection that would’ve been drawn.

I’ve been saying this a lot in other threads, but this is an issue of PRECEDENT. Punish the guy for abuse of authority and make an example of him to ALL people in similar positions (bouncers or not, colored or not). Yes, he should be punished to the maximum extent of the law, because they always end up serving less time anyway, so better to shave time off the maximum than the minimum, else he’ll never serve serious time.

This is about abuse of power and a fundamental issue among those who wield this power, LEO or not. The fact that they filmed this lets you know how “natural” it felt for them to bully someone around; they were doing it for pleasure. When a subconscious behavior like violence/domination becomes a CONSCIOUS one that is made into a fucking spectacle, that’s when you know those people are sick in the head.

And I’m saying this as a “colored” person.

The relativity angle is laughable. A murder is nothing compared to a genocide, so the Native American gunned down isn’t as big of a tragedy as the Holocaust. The Holocaust isn’t as big a deal as the 20 million that Stalin killed or the 1/3 of the populace that Pol Pot murdered. That’s probably nothing to the millions that Britain and Spain must’ve killed in colonial times…

I mean, really, that’s stating the obvious but you can ALWAYS take away from the impact of an event by comparing to something greater, so the fact that it’s always possible renders it a pointless exercise.

That’s like saying: “Well, the cop who beat up DJHT’s friend is nothing compared to the abuse of power LEOs commit daily in third world countries…and racism in this country is kiddie shit compared to discrimination experienced abroad.”

But does that make it less wrong? Come on.

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No bouncer (regardless of race) should have done what he did to the victim (regardless of race).

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

This was very true in fact.

I remember when the verdict came out, I was in the athlete lounge at USC watching it on TV. Everyone, and I mean everyone from all sports was there to see. When the verdict came out, most of the black athletes were like “yeah!” while everyone else and most of the girls were like “wtf?!”

It all evened out though, OJ got beat up last month while in prison. Apparently he was bragging about his conquests of white females and a member of the Aryan brotherhood heard him. Sources say he was in the hospital infirmary for a month. [/quote]

I remember taking a criminal law class in high school. Many times, the teacher would say, “…and if you think OJ was innocent, we need to have a talk after class.”

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:[/quote]vs.

This was very true in fact.

I remember when the verdict came out, I was in the athlete lounge at USC watching it on TV. Everyone, and I mean everyone from all sports was there to see. When the verdict came out, most of the black athletes were like “yeah!” while everyone else and most of the girls were like “wtf?!”

It all evened out though, OJ got beat up last month while in prison. Apparently he was bragging about his conquests of white females and a member of the Aryan brotherhood heard him. Sources say he was in the hospital infirmary for a month. [/quote]

Yeah people got that twisted. Black people could give a damn about OJ. He could have fallen off a cliff into a pile of razors 10 seconds after the verdict and not one black person outside of his football fans and his family would have shed a tear.

That whole thing was about people reacting to a minority or precieved minority beating the system.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

HOW is this affecting you? Could you please answer how this one bouncer acting like an ass and then getting the whole book thrown at him in court as people across the world harass him to the point that HE needs to call the cops affects you?

If anything, like has been stated, you will be at far LESS risk of anything like that happening again.

Why is it so hard to answer the question?

Is it because we already know the answer?[/quote]

How many times do you want me to answer the same question?

Again:
"If I am ever the victim of hate crime (as defined by the law), I want the person doing the assaulting charged and prosecuted for it. "

Would you be OK with them doing away with hate crimes laws altogether?

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For anyone that hasn’t seen it

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Fucking loved that.

For the Nth time, I will post this:

“WHEN you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” – J. Krishnamurti

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Fucking loved that.

For the Nth time, I will post this:

“WHEN you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” – J. Krishnamurti[/quote]

Excellent! Thanks Ponce.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Fucking loved that.

For the Nth time, I will post this:

“WHEN you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” – J. Krishnamurti[/quote]

This is what I have been saying for a long time. (Ponce you can feel me on this, as here in Cali, we have this love for cultural or religious diversity.) The problem is, it draws a line in the sand, and creates an “us” and “them.”

We are the only country in the world (I am pretty sure about this) where there is a hyphen involved in the description of being an American. Example, African-American, Asian-American, Latin-American, etc. No other country uses a hyphen, maybe it’s time we follow suit.

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It will not matter where he goes, if he does time for this, the Aryan Brotherhood is going to have a “word” with him. He is done.