Club Bouncer Holds zman Hostage in Bathroom

Professor_X · February 22, 2011, 5:53pm

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

OK, how is this instance affecting you?

Are you now at more risk of getting held in bathrooms by black bouncers as a result of this?

The answer? Hell no. If anything, after they get done throwing everything they can at the bouncer in this instance, you will have far less than most to worry about.

Therefore, how can you act as if your response to something like this is the same as my response to something I have faced several times over and will face many times over in the future?

That was why I mentioned raving about problems that have the greatest social consequences…and this damn sure ain’t one of them.[/quote]

If we are going prosecute white men for mentioning race when they assault a black man, it should go the same way when a black man mentions race while assaulting a white man.

How does it affect me? If I am ever the victim of hate crime (as defined by the law), I want the person doing the assaulting charged and prosecuted for it. [/quote]

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.

gregron · February 22, 2011, 5:54pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
White people are not at risk of being kidnapped by black bouncers.[/quote]

tell that to the guy in the video

orion · February 22, 2011, 5:58pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Malcolm X was not really a “hater”, maybe early on but definitely not later.

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lol.

You basically said “Malcolm X wasnt a hater… ok well only in the beginning” hahaha[/quote]

Well, whether he was a “hater” in the beginning is debatable, but not entirely a clear cut case.

gregron · February 22, 2011, 6:02pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Malcolm X was not really a “hater”, maybe early on but definitely not later.

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lol.

You basically said “Malcolm X wasnt a hater… ok well only in the beginning” hahaha[/quote]

Well, whether he was a “hater” in the beginning is debatable, but not entirely a clear cut case.

[/quote]

i was just messing with you.

TheBodyGuard · February 22, 2011, 6:03pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]overstand wrote:
If it was a big white dude making a smaller black guy get on his knees and bow to the almighty great white man, the shit storm would have been 10x worse.[/quote]

Of course it would have. He would’ve been charged with a hate crime just like in the 2 examples BG gave. There is no question a double standard exists when it comes to charging people for hate crimes. [/quote]

There is also a double standard for profiling drivers around Houston by police. Guess which way that pendulum swings.

Yes, there is a double standard…like there is for damn near everything else we perceive in society.

I will rant and rave about the ones that cause the greatest social damage…instead of acting like I think the world will start to look like Crayola sponsored the design in terms of everything being fair across the board.

That was why I brought up crooked cops. This one bouncer does not represent anyone but this one bouncer…and while some on this site haven’t gone there in terms of responding with the racist remarks of other sites, that doesn’t erase the reaction that is being experienced as a collective.

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I agree that there is also a double standard with racial profiling by the police. Both should be addressed.

I believe we rant and rave about the issues that directly affects us most. All of us do and I’m not saying there is anything wrong with that.

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OK, how is this instance affecting you?

Are you now at more risk of getting held in bathrooms by black bouncers as a result of this?

The answer? Hell no. If anything, after they get done throwing everything they can at the bouncer in this instance, you will have far less than most to worry about.

Therefore, how can you act as if your response to something like this is the same as my response to something I have faced several times over and will face many times over in the future?

That was why I mentioned raving about problems that have the greatest social consequences…and this damn sure ain’t one of them.[/quote]

This is flawed logic. Now something has to directly affect us for us to have moral outrage? Good thing for you we don’t all think like that or there would have never been a civil rights movement.

orion · February 22, 2011, 6:07pm

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Malcolm X was not really a “hater”, maybe early on but definitely not later.

[/quote]

lol.

You basically said “Malcolm X wasnt a hater… ok well only in the beginning” hahaha[/quote]

Well, whether he was a “hater” in the beginning is debatable, but not entirely a clear cut case.

[/quote]

i was just messing with you.[/quote]

Its because I am white, right?

gregron · February 22, 2011, 6:33pm

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Malcolm X was not really a “hater”, maybe early on but definitely not later.

[/quote]

lol.

You basically said “Malcolm X wasnt a hater… ok well only in the beginning” hahaha[/quote]

Well, whether he was a “hater” in the beginning is debatable, but not entirely a clear cut case.

[/quote]

i was just messing with you.[/quote]

Its because I am white, right?

[/quote]

KILL WHITEY!!!

TheBodyGuard · February 22, 2011, 6:12pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
Why put a guy with a anger issue in prison? He bullied some guy pretty and assaulted him(though only a punch). Shouldn’t he be in rehab or treatment for anger issues?

Prison all i can see is just make people into criminals. I mean really giving this guy 5 years is RIDICULOUS, not like a High school bully would get this kind of sentence(and a fucken kid in high school is god dam developed enough to know what to do and not to do). [/quote]

I don’t have an opinion on what the sentence should be b/c like I said, if that were my son, that shit would be handled - no police.

However, your comments about “anger issues” I feel misses the mark by a football field. At what point in that video do you see any anger from the bouncer? He doesn’t assault him for a good 3 minutes. The rest of the time he’s just fucking with him, leading up to a cool, collected beating just for the fuck of it. LOL @ anger issues. Motherfucker has issues for sure, and I’m not sure anger is one of them. [/quote]

You aren’t making an argument for ignoring handling his as an anger management issue. Are you claiming that beating him up or prison will change how he thinks?

Further, why the fuck are you making this some issue about whether it was your son? Both of these people were grown ass men that you were NOT related to. In fact, I doubt anyone here is related to anyone in that video…so why do you keep responding as if this was some personal attack?

It wasn’t.

I mean, holy shit, maybe YOU need anger management classes.

Fuck.
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Whatever. And yes, I have anger management issues - I have no tolerance for human predators that prey on our weak. They need to be culled from the herd.

My desire to beat him up is a desire to give the cocksucker a taste of his own medicine. Period. [/quote]

Dude, my guess is, any guys with more test than the average 120lbs couch potato may have some issues with “anger” given how soft the rest of the world has gotten. This is not an era for vikings…but dude, you aren’t talking to someone softer than you. You aren’t talking to someone who won’t fight for what he believes in or someone who has never been in a fight…and won. That is why your comments here aren’t impressing me.

Yeah, the bouncer is an idiot. No, no one died and this shit happened a fucking year ago. I was MORE pissed at that video about two years back about the fat dude who walked into a pizza place and started beating someone up as people just stood around and watched.

I do not understand the huge issue you are having here as if this man’s comments warrant the response. They don’t. He’s an idiot…who loses all power if you just avoid his fucking club.

This is no one in a position of power that you don’t let him have. This is no cop. This is no judge, no teacher teaching your kids and no doctor treating you. It is one dumb guy who has allowed all of the racists on random websites an outlet that they would ahve found one way or another anyway.

White people are not at risk of being kidnapped by black bouncers. This is making less sense the longer it gets dragged out.[/quote]

Your entire first paragraph is bewildering. When did this become about you and whether you have been in a fight? Can’t someone disagree with you without your manhood being at stake? Please dude. I disagree with you - I don’t give a flying fuck whether you can fight or fly, it matters to me not one bit and it’s irrelevant but thank you for letting me know you’ve been in a fight and won. I’ll keep that in mind for the future. What relevance it has is still beyond me.

So someone has to die for you to be outraged? Why the outrage about the fat dude beating on the customer while everyone stood around? No one died dude. You didn’t know the victim. Fucking A dude, there are cops in Houston beating people up - fuck that dude in line right? Not the answer huh? Exactly. For whatever reason, the other video evoked an emotional response from you - and you’re entitled to it. Don’t fucking tell me how I should feel about THIS video.

I don’t have to avoid anywhere, including his club. That’s not the point, again. The point is I have an emotional response when I see the weaker among us victimized. That’s my prerogative, just as you have yours as it concerns police brutality (which I share) and the other video you mention.

And again, this is NOT about race. You’re making it about race. I made the hate crime comment because it was a valid observation. The incident itself has NOTHING to do with RACE. You’re making less sense the more you try to make it about race and “black bouncers”.

TheBodyGuard · February 22, 2011, 6:14pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

OK, how is this instance affecting you?

Are you now at more risk of getting held in bathrooms by black bouncers as a result of this?

The answer? Hell no. If anything, after they get done throwing everything they can at the bouncer in this instance, you will have far less than most to worry about.

Therefore, how can you act as if your response to something like this is the same as my response to something I have faced several times over and will face many times over in the future?

That was why I mentioned raving about problems that have the greatest social consequences…and this damn sure ain’t one of them.[/quote]

If we are going prosecute white men for mentioning race when they assault a black man, it should go the same way when a black man mentions race while assaulting a white man.

How does it affect me? If I am ever the victim of hate crime (as defined by the law), I want the person doing the assaulting charged and prosecuted for it. [/quote]

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.[/quote]

I got news for you…depending on the neighborhood, cops fuck with white people too.

And again, something does not have to affect us directly for us to have moral outrage. It’s called EMPATHY AND COMPASSION - and a sense of justice. Without such feelings, there would have been no civil rights movement, among other things.

sam_sneed1 · February 22, 2011, 6:14pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.[/quote]

When did I say they were the same? I all I said is that they were both issues and that you are more concerned with the issues affecting you and that I’m going to voice my opinions on the issues that affect me.

I think racial profiling is a bigger issue than the double standard where hate crimes are involved. So that means I shouldn’t bring up a double standard when I see it? Especially when it’s perfectly on topic regarding the OP? One doesn’t negate the other.

My stance has nothing to due with black bouncers in specific. I just want to see the hate crime laws applied consistently to all races.

TheBodyGuard · February 22, 2011, 6:23pm

[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Yeah, you didn’t answer the question. HOW is this affecting you from day to day? Are you claiming you really feel at risk now of going to clubs because of black bouncers?

I mean, I EXPECT for cops to follow me around this city. Unless you can claim the same here, it is nowhere near the same…you just won’t admit it.[/quote]

When did I say they were the same? I all I said is that they were both issues and that you are more concerned with the issues affecting you and that I’m going to voice my opinions on the issues that affect me.

I think racial profiling is a bigger issue than the double standard where hate crimes are involved. So that means I shouldn’t bring up a double standard when I see it? Especially when it’s perfectly on topic regarding the OP? One doesn’t negate the other.

My stance has nothing to due with black bouncers in specific. I just want to see the hate crime laws applied consistently to all races.[/quote]

Yeah, like in NY where a group of teenage blacks set upon a white victim and one of them utters “get that white motherfucker” - no hate crime. But that poor italian bastard from brooklyn gets 15 years for an ASSAULT because he uttered “nigga” or some permutation thereof. Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

I guess we’re racists because we want the law applied equally. I guess we’re racists because we have a moral outrage at someone being bullied and beaten. I guess because we feel this way, we cannot also be outraged that X gets followed around Houston. Finally, if it doesn’t affect us directly, we shouldn’t have a such a strong reaction.

As for bouncers, it IS a problem. I worked a club where I literally saw someone unjustly assaulted by staff EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND. EVERY. SINGLE. WEEKEND. And I’ve worked many clubs in my day and I have NEVER seen an emotionally well-adjusted security staff.

You always had your good guys, and then you had your cowards and bullies with emotional problems, getting off on being the man to someone smaller or outnumbered. As for my emotional response, I do have kids the age where they will start going to clubs. This matters to me, because if someone on the security staff assaulted my child, I’d become a fucking urban terrorist until I had my measure of justice.

There is a word that describes caring for someone you don’t know and being outraged by abuse and injustice. It’s called “humanity”.

Professor_X · February 22, 2011, 6:25pm