Big brown took down a skinny little dude. I’ll bet the whole thing never would have ended up the way it did if the “dealer” was huge.
the obvious thing to do would be for the guy he slapped to wait for him to finish and get him on his own in the car park and batter the fuck out of him and i would take his trainers just for good measure
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Just a what if scenario.
If the bouncer had called him out on the drugs, done the same thing and the guy actually HAD drugs and this resulted in the alleged drug dealer’s arrest, would the bouncer still be an idiot?[/quote]
If when he didn’t find anything on the guy he said, “my mistake, you sir are a gentlemen and a scholar, good day to you,” he would not have been an idiot.
However, when he didn’t find anything, he punched the guy in the head several times and made him worship him, on film… That is the part that makes him an idiot.[/quote]
Bullshit, he had no legal authority to search him. He can tell him to leave the property, or possibly hold him for the police, anything beyond that is a crime.
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He thinks the guy is selling drugs in a club that he is a direct employee of, he takes him in back and asks him to empty his pockets, the victim willingly empties his pockets, nothing is found. Everything up that point is just fine legally. When he starts looking through they guys wallet and phone without asking permission things start to get a little hairy.
At this point had he of said “alright now get the fuck out,” nothing would have happened to the bouncer, the victim would have been shaken up but unharmed. He probably would never go to that club again and everything would have been fine.
When he begins hitting him and locks the door when he tries to leave, that is when things start to get really fucked up.
You don’t have to call the police every single time you think something might be wrong, that is what bouncers/security are for. Had he called the police on this guy on the suspicion he might be selling drugs the police would just be pissed they had to waste their time searching this guy, especially when he was willing to empty his pockets for the bouncer right there.[/quote]
If some guy that has a hundred pounds on you tells you to empty your pockets and you do it because you are scared as shit, it is called unarmed robbery. Doesn’t matter what he THOUGHT the guy did, he has no authority to search him.
No shit you don’t call the cops for every little thing. Suspicion of drug dealing is not a little thing. He is not a cop, he has no right to search him, regardless of what he thinks might be going on.
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I think my original question got misinterpreted a little.
I’m not talking legally.
I meant it along the lines of “if someone killed a pedophile, most people would call him a hero” and was wondering if he had in fact been selling drugs if people would hold this in the same light, but as orion pointed out, most likely not[/quote]
but he wasnt sellin drugs if anyhing the prick bouncer had been dealing as he said " when you take money out of my pocket "
[quote]lia67 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Just a what if scenario. [/quote]
but he wasnt sellin drugs if anyhing the prick bouncer had been dealing as he said " when you take money out of my pocket "[/quote]
[quote]lia67 wrote:
the obvious thing to do would be for the guy he slapped to wait for him to finish and get him on his own in the car park and batter the fuck out of him and i would take his trainers just for good measure [/quote]
this is what I was thinking. How did that guy not come after that bouncer later when the bouncer wasnt expecting it.
Gotta say…those were some pretty sweet jabs he was hitting him with. Didnt even put any weight behind those punches yet he still sent him flying. I think boxing just might be up his alley.
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
[quote]LarryDavid wrote:
worldstarhiphop is the devil.[/quote]
Not the “Offical Honeys” section though. Tehmeena is my favorite. Im kinda shocked at how easily racist people can get when something like this happens. Check out their yelp page. http://www.yelp.com/biz/platinum-premier-gentlemens-club-worcester[/quote]
You’re actually surprised by that? This is the internet, nothing surprises me anymore. People secretly love being able to express intolerance in a forum where there are few consequences due to the inability do so in real life. I wouldn’t be surprised if the kid developed a strong disliking towards African Americans from this point on, and it’s not like living in Boston won’t reinforce that.[/quote]
Why is Boston always getting a bad rap for racism? It cant be anywhere as bad as the Deep South.
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Why is Boston always getting a bad rap for racism? It cant be anywhere as bad as the Deep South. [/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
Can someone use the power of the internet to set up a fight between me and “oh great big motherfucking brown dude”? To be filmed for the interwebz of course. [/quote]
Probably, how much time are you willing to do to get into the same prison as him?
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A mutual fight is not a crime. [/quote]
Pretty sure that they tend to disencourage that in prison and this is where you need to be first to be able to get to him.
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No. I was thinking pre-UFC Kimbo kind of deal. We both show up with our friends - 5 a side, we both have a wager and we knuckle up til someone says uncle or is unable to continue. He’s not in prison…not yet at least.
[quote]JaseHxC wrote:
You’re actually surprised by that? This is the internet, nothing surprises me anymore. People secretly love being able to express intolerance in a forum where there are few consequences due to the inability do so in real life. I wouldn’t be surprised if the kid developed a strong disliking towards African Americans from this point on, and it’s not like living in Boston won’t reinforce that.[/quote]
Two points, first, yes. You are right that most people are just waiting for an opportunity to scream negative hate when those same people would not do the same in public or in front of that person. That is why the comments made here with racist intent would have been spewed at SOMEONE eventually. It just so happened that this instance gave them an excuse to act like one man represents an entire race of people.
Second, if someone experiences one instance of a person committing a negative act and in turn uses that to form an opinion of all people who share a skin tone with that person…that person was going to either be racist or have that hate directed st someone eventually no matter what.
Acting like this gives anyone or even this kid the excuse to hate all black people is retarded and part of the problem.
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]VikingsAD28 wrote:
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
Just a what if scenario.
If the bouncer had called him out on the drugs, done the same thing and the guy actually HAD drugs and this resulted in the alleged drug dealer’s arrest, would the bouncer still be an idiot?[/quote]
If when he didn’t find anything on the guy he said, “my mistake, you sir are a gentlemen and a scholar, good day to you,” he would not have been an idiot.
However, when he didn’t find anything, he punched the guy in the head several times and made him worship him, on film… That is the part that makes him an idiot.[/quote]
Bullshit, he had no legal authority to search him. He can tell him to leave the property, or possibly hold him for the police, anything beyond that is a crime.
[/quote]
He thinks the guy is selling drugs in a club that he is a direct employee of, he takes him in back and asks him to empty his pockets, the victim willingly empties his pockets, nothing is found. Everything up that point is just fine legally. When he starts looking through they guys wallet and phone without asking permission things start to get a little hairy.
At this point had he of said “alright now get the fuck out,” nothing would have happened to the bouncer, the victim would have been shaken up but unharmed. He probably would never go to that club again and everything would have been fine.
When he begins hitting him and locks the door when he tries to leave, that is when things start to get really fucked up.
You don’t have to call the police every single time you think something might be wrong, that is what bouncers/security are for. Had he called the police on this guy on the suspicion he might be selling drugs the police would just be pissed they had to waste their time searching this guy, especially when he was willing to empty his pockets for the bouncer right there.[/quote]
Well, you’re not entirely right. The slippery slope begins when he asks or directs the guy to the bathroom for any questioning. He can’t “take him in the back” and he can’t make him “empty his pockets”. He can request it, but the kid has no obligation to cooperate. The problem is however, that the bouncer is an authority figure and there is an intimidation factor. It’s too slippery a slope to even venture down for a bouncer or security.
The correct answer is if you’re witnessing him selling drugs, you call the law if you really want him prosecuted. They will arrive, and conduct an appropriate investigation based upon what you claim you witnessed. Or, you simply eject him. Those are your two options.
[quote]Totenkopf wrote:
Why is Boston always getting a bad rap for racism? It cant be anywhere as bad as the Deep South.[/quote]
It has that feel for sure, it’s a pretty segregated city. If your skin is a certain color there are some train lines you’ll probably never step foot on.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Big brown took down a skinny little dude. I’ll bet the whole thing never would have ended up the way it did if the “dealer” was huge.[/quote]
Never would have happened if the dude was anything other than what he was.
That bouncer had him pegged for a bitch as soon as he came in, then culled him from the flock under the guise of checking for drugs.
I’ve known a lot of people he behave like opportunistic predators, and that bouncer is definitely one of them. He knew exactly what he was doing and how it would go the whole time.
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
?
I think he may get some jail time…but he didn’t kill anyone. I mean, there are far worse things going down across the country than this bullshit.
I am more concerned with the beatings going down by cops than I am one instance of a bouncer with an inferiority complex.
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
Ummmm…
http://www.telegram.com/article/20110221/NEWS/102210395/-1/NEWS04
An online video allegedly showing the beating of a patron inside the locked bathroom of a Southbridge Street strip club last year has led to the arrest of a bouncer at that club. Easton Byfield, 35, of Thayer Pond Drive, Oxford, was arrested Friday night and charged with assault and battery, kidnapping, unarmed robbery and filing a false crime report. Records show he was arrested at Platinum Premier, 241 Southbridge St. He is scheduled to be arraigned tomorrow in Worcester Central District Court. After reviewing the video and obtaining information, detectives tracked down the victim, a 25-year-old Worcester resident, police said. Police were told during the investigation that the incident occurred May 25, police said. The victim told police two bouncers at the club escorted him into the bathroom and accused him of dealing drugs in the club, police said. He said one of the bouncers filmed the incident while the other bouncer assaulted him and robbed him of $300. According to police, the victim said he feared for his safety after the alleged assault and did not report it to police because the bouncers had his name and address. Police said on the same day of the alleged incident, Mr. Byfield called police and reported that he was approached in the bathroom of the club by the victim and was assaulted by the man. Mr. Byfield had an officer file a report, police said. Police have now charged him with filing a false report. According to police scanner reports last night, Mr. Byfield called police and said he was having problems with harassing telephone calls.
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
I was expecting the opposite
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
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I think he may get some jail time…but he didn’t kill anyone. I mean, there are far worse things going down across the country than this bullshit.
I am more concerned with the beatings going down by cops than I am one instance of a bouncer with an inferiority complex.[/quote]
Well I think he may get jail time as well but probably not adequate time IMO
Also I def agree with you about being concerned with police beatings nation wide, but at the same time the obviously isn’t the only incident that has happened like this with the bouncer and probably happens a lot more than we think. That’s really what I’m concerned about
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
?
I think he may get some jail time…but he didn’t kill anyone. I mean, there are far worse things going down across the country than this bullshit.
I am more concerned with the beatings going down by cops than I am one instance of a bouncer with an inferiority complex.[/quote]
Well I think he may get jail time as well but probably not adequate time IMO
Also I def agree with you about being concerned with police beatings nation wide, but at the same time the obviously isn’t the only incident that has happened like this with the bouncer and probably happens a lot more than we think. That’s really what I’m concerned about[/quote]
Really? Because it seems to me that some are responding emotionally based on the races of the people involved to the point of talking about beating the guy up for something that apparently went down almost a full year ago.
The racist remarks escalating this on other web sites is far more troubling than something where the guy already got caught especially considering all of his personal info is now public and people the world over are harassing him also based more likely on skin color than his actions (unless you believe there would be the same reaction if both individuals were the same race). Further, why would you assume that he would not be punished by the law? Was there a recent rash of black people suddenly not getting charged?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
Who has the feeling this guy wont be punished like he should?[/quote]
I was expecting the opposite[/quote]
Ditto.