Close Grip Bench

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)[/quote]

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…
[/quote]

Im a pro at getting injured, who else do you know hurts their shoulder when benching 185lbs ha?

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…

Im a pro at getting injured, who else do you know hurts their shoulder when benching 185lbs ha?[/quote]

What was the reason?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…

Im a pro at getting injured, who else do you know hurts their shoulder when benching 185lbs ha?

What was the reason?
[/quote]

i had been training really hard and was adding some extra stuff in that proved to be a bit too much for my already fucked up shoulder to handle. nothing was added in the line of pressing, but i started doing wide grip pullups everynight(which was working great, widened out my lats very quickly) and a set of lateral raises to failure. The way i was performing the pullups seemed to bother my shoulder quite a bit. Ive changed my pullup form now so it is less stressfull on the shoulder. Anyways one chest day i went to bench, completed my top set, and a back off set, without any pain, then i went to incline dumbells and OUCH lots of pain. That was a bout four weeks ago. and since then its been feeling pretty good. I had to take a week off these past 7 days because my gym was closed. Hoping everything is all healed up by now and i can go strong for at least 8 weeks or so.

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…

Im a pro at getting injured, who else do you know hurts their shoulder when benching 185lbs ha?

What was the reason?

i had been training really hard and was adding some extra stuff in that proved to be a bit too much for my already fucked up shoulder to handle. nothing was added in the line of pressing, but i started doing wide grip pullups everynight(which was working great, widened out my lats very quickly) and a set of lateral raises to failure. The way i was performing the pullups seemed to bother my shoulder quite a bit. Ive changed my pullup form now so it is less stressfull on the shoulder[/quote] Hmmmmm. Where did it hurt? At the front? [quote]. Anyways one chest day i went to bench, completed my top set, and a back off set, without any pain, then i went to incline dumbells and OUCH lots of pain[/quote] Possibility that your incline DB setup sucks [quote]. That was a bout four weeks ago. and since then its been feeling pretty good. I had to take a week off these past 7 days because my gym was closed. Hoping everything is all healed up by now and i can go strong for at least 8 weeks or so.[/quote]Good luck.

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[quote]dtheyer wrote:
For me, touching the chest in any bench situation = shoulder injury. I have gotten good results bringing it a good 3 inches from my chest. I honestly think it will not seriously affect your muscle results either way.[/quote]

i have a bad shoulder too, football. i just use a 1 board so i hit the same depth everytime but still get a max range of motion that my shoulder ‘doesnt hurt’ in.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
Nice, im replacing skull crushers with the lying extentions from now on. When training tricep i knew skull crushers were a bad idea even though my elbows are in good condition. However when i felt some elbow pain one day after working triceps i knew it was time to find a new movement.

Get some nice elbow sleeves anyway… Tommy Kono’s or EliteFTS sleeves or so…

even if I’m still lifting girl weights?

Yeah. You got any particular reason to get injured first or something? :slight_smile:

Tommy Konos only come in 3 sizes, I’m guessing that medium would be just right for you, and will fit until you get your arms up to 19-20 or so…

my arms are a bit under 16 cold, probably just over pumped but i dont know.

Medium still a go? and where’s a good place to buy some? also i might as well buy some knee selves as well…any reccomendations? (im so sorry about the hi jack)

APT. TK sleeves medium for both arms and legs in your case, I think, alternatively EliteFTS sleeves (but I don’t know about their sizes).

And yeah, if there’s one thing that people on this forum are good at, it’s getting injured while lifting girly weights…

Im a pro at getting injured, who else do you know hurts their shoulder when benching 185lbs ha?

What was the reason?

i had been training really hard and was adding some extra stuff in that proved to be a bit too much for my already fucked up shoulder to handle. nothing was added in the line of pressing, but i started doing wide grip pullups everynight(which was working great, widened out my lats very quickly) and a set of lateral raises to failure. The way i was performing the pullups seemed to bother my shoulder quite a bit. Ive changed my pullup form now so it is less stressfull on the shoulder Hmmmmm. Where did it hurt? At the front? . Anyways one chest day i went to bench, completed my top set, and a back off set, without any pain, then i went to incline dumbells and OUCH lots of pain Possibility that your incline DB setup sucks . That was a bout four weeks ago. and since then its been feeling pretty good. I had to take a week off these past 7 days because my gym was closed. Hoping everything is all healed up by now and i can go strong for at least 8 weeks or so.Good luck.

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yeah at the time of the injury i beleive it hurt up front, but then a day or so after it seemed to be mostly the posterior that hurt. well i did weighted dips just fine today, did some DEADSKULLS which felt awesome. All in all a good day. Except for no appearent reason my back is fucked now. I didnt do anything at all to hurt it and today was my first day training after a week off. Hopefully it’s an easy come easy go deal.

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Sorry to hijack –

But CC have you ever had any luck with heavy floor presses in the smith machine? I’ve stalled on my CGBP and started doing these in their place. I tried doing wide RGBP but it made my shoulder feel pretty awkward and decided not to push my luck.

I can lower the bar until the back of my arms (like my triceps) are touching the floor without the bar touching my chest. I mention this because I don’t know if its normal or if I have freaky long arms. But I notice if I pause at the bottom and go really heavy (3-4 rep range) my triceps get hit really hard. Because it’s in the smith and easy to cheat, I can really work the tri’s without having to worry with a spotter, etc…

My end goal is to increase my CGBP, and was looking to substitute another pressing exercise in its place for a few weeks.

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[quote]frankjl wrote:
Sorry to hijack –

But CC have you ever had any luck with heavy floor presses in the smith machine[/quote] Mh… I don’t like floor presses for my own training, got some trouble staying tight/scapulae retracted etc when doing them. [quote]? I’ve stalled on my CGBP and started doing these in their place. I tried doing wide RGBP but it made my shoulder feel pretty awkward and decided not to push my luck.[/quote] You probably set up wrong then… Not the easiest exercise to get down. [quote]

I can lower the bar until the back of my arms (like my triceps) are touching the floor without the bar touching my chest. I mention this because I don’t know if its normal or if I have freaky long arms. But I notice if I pause at the bottom and go really heavy (3-4 rep range) my triceps get hit really hard. Because it’s in the smith and easy to cheat, I can really work the tri’s without having to worry with a spotter, etc…[/quote] Ah, is it a straight smith?
In that case, your elbow angle will likely change so you’re doing a semi-skull-crusher…
You could try pressing against the smith (towards your feet) as well as up, btw.

Or try board CGP.

[quote]

My end goal is to increase my CGBP, and was looking to substitute another pressing exercise in its place for a few weeks.[/quote]

Well, I haven’t tried the floor press much for reasons mentioned above.

I know that board CGP + low-incline DB presses or any such combination increase CGP and regular press…

Keep doing what you’re doing but don’t neglect your off-the-chest and midrange strength, otherwise you’ll end up stalling just off the chest a lot when you go back to CGP.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
MeinHerzBrennt wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:
can anyone supply a video of these dead stop extentions?

I think these are what CC was talking about:

Beat me to it.

[/quote]

Based on the size of dude’s tri’s I’m sold.

This thread delivers… Thanks gentlemen.

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My wrists kill me if I go within 3 inches of my chest

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Do the dead stop presses eliminate, at least partially, the stretch reflex, making them more effective? Just curious, cuz it look’s like they would.

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[quote]Oroborus wrote:
My wrists kill me if I go within 3 inches of my chest[/quote]

Your grip is too narrow. 4-6 inches only works in fairytales or for 11 year old Chinese girls.

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[quote]Therizza wrote:
Do the dead stop presses eliminate, at least partially, the stretch reflex, making them more effective? Just curious, cuz it look’s like they would.[/quote]

That would be my guess. Depending on the duration of the stop, perhaps…

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Oroborus wrote:
My wrists kill me if I go within 3 inches of my chest

Your grip is too narrow. 4-6 inches only works in fairytales or for 11 year old Chinese girls.

[/quote]

My gym trainers always tell me to keep my hands on the other edges of the central knurling. But then again, they’re the guys that make people do SLDLS for lower back.

Is shoulder width grip better?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Do the dead stop presses eliminate, at least partially, the stretch reflex, making them more effective? Just curious, cuz it look’s like they would.

That would be my guess. Depending on the duration of the stop, perhaps…

[/quote]

Lol at this response to the video…“great job, you see people all over that move their upper arms way to much, but one thing, if you do this exercise on a bench it is even more effective because then you cannot set the weight down for a rest”

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C_Cizzle you have me addicted to CGBP’s now.

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[quote]Oroborus wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Oroborus wrote:
My wrists kill me if I go within 3 inches of my chest

Your grip is too narrow. 4-6 inches only works in fairytales or for 11 year old Chinese girls.

My gym trainers always tell me to keep my hands on the other edges of the central knurling. But then again, they’re the guys that make people do SLDLS for lower back.

Is shoulder width grip better?[/quote]

Gripwidth depends. If, for some strange reason, you want to keep your elbows flared throughout the whole lift, then armpit-width is ok (consider where that is after you’ve done a full PL setup).

If you have your elbows tucked all the time, or at least at the bottom, then you’ll need a wider grip (just outside shoulder width, depends, and again consider where your shoulders are after a proper setup…).

A really good close-grip bench is like a PL (raw) competition bench in terms of setup in terms of scapular retraction etc (may not need quite as much of an arch, of course), but you’re going to use a narrower grip (obviously).

Suicide grip helps many to actually focus on their tris, by the way.

If you have wrist pain, widen the grip so that your forearms are again perpendicular to the floor with tucked elbows. (of course that only helps if your wrists aren’t bent backward a lot, which would also cause pain. So don’t let the bar sit high in your fist, but as low as possible, squeeze it hard and try to pull it apart, sort of. The pulling apart thing isn’t so great when your elbows are tucked all the way at the bottom, but you can do start doing it as you flare your elbows out on the ascent)

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
C_Cizzle you have me addicted to CGBP’s now.[/quote]

Sorry. :slight_smile:

Doesn’t work well after chest and delts though… If you’re still on that 3-way, just do CGP first and maybe do some machine bench or whatever for chest afterwards or at the very end…

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[quote]cueball wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Therizza wrote:
Do the dead stop presses eliminate, at least partially, the stretch reflex, making them more effective? Just curious, cuz it look’s like they would.

That would be my guess. Depending on the duration of the stop, perhaps…

Lol at this response to the video…“great job, you see people all over that move their upper arms way to much, but one thing, if you do this exercise on a bench it is even more effective because then you cannot set the weight down for a rest”[/quote]

Youtube is full of such muppets…

Besides, moving your upper arms almost makes it a PJR. Nice exercise too, so I don’t know what the heck he’s talking about :wink: