When I last cleaned about a year ago, my clean was about 85% of my front squat max. A year later, my squat is up and I cleaned .85 of my squat without cleaning for a year. I guess I’m saying what’s the point of doing olympic lifts for sports if it’s depend and on squat max? Why not just get stronger and sprint? All this rate of force talk seems way over blown.
[quote]Tri delta wrote:
I guess I’m saying what’s the point of doing olympic lifts for sports if it’s depend and on squat max? Why not just get stronger and sprint? All this rate of force talk seems way over blown.[/quote]
So because you had an experience where your clean went up without cleaning you believe everyone has the ability to make such gains and that it is a common experience for most?
“My front squat helped my max clean without cleaning” =/= everyone elses clean is dependent on their front squat with no work.
What is your front squat currently? And do you also deadlift?
[quote]akmcsnarfy wrote:
[quote]Tri delta wrote:
I guess I’m saying what’s the point of doing olympic lifts for sports if it’s depend and on squat max? Why not just get stronger and sprint? All this rate of force talk seems way over blown.[/quote]
So because you had an experience where your clean went up without cleaning you believe everyone has the ability to make such gains and that it is a common experience for most?
“My front squat helped my max clean without cleaning” =/= everyone elses clean is dependent on their front squat with no work.
What is your front squat currently? And do you also deadlift?[/quote]
My front squat is at 350 and I do conventional deadlifts. I’m just wondering if the spints I did kept my RFD up. If that’s true, then olympic lifts for me are I nessassry in the presence of sprinting.
Last question: what is your bodyweight currently?
I bet the deadlifts have a lot to do with it, I doubt if you got your front squat over 400 it would allow you to clean 350 without doing cleans.
Weightlifting is about strength. Anyone can move submaximal weights fast, the trick is to be strong enough so that those submaximal weights are heavy.
i have found a similar trend.
16 months ago, my best power clean was 130 @ 96kg
didnt do power cleans at all for 14 months, got stronger/faster in all other lifts and more structurally ballanced.
decided to train power clean again, and after only 3 workouts I power cleaned 132 @ 90kg
[quote]akmcsnarfy wrote:
Last question: what is your bodyweight currently?
I bet the deadlifts have a lot to do with it, I doubt if you got your front squat over 400 it would allow you to clean 350 without doing cleans.[/quote]
I’m 175 at 5,10"
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Weightlifting is about strength. Anyone can move submaximal weights fast, the trick is to be strong enough so that those submaximal weights are heavy.[/quote]
I’m not getting you. Shouldn’t the goal be to lift heavy weights fast?
[quote]Tri delta wrote:
[quote]Wrah wrote:
Weightlifting is about strength. Anyone can move submaximal weights fast, the trick is to be strong enough so that those submaximal weights are heavy.[/quote]
I’m not getting you. Shouldn’t the goal be to lift heavy weights fast?[/quote]
When he says “so that those submaximal weights are heavy” I think he means heavy in relation to strength standards. Like the submaximal weights are heavy enough to where you have good strength in your maximal weights also and vice versa.
snatch does seem to be most technique dependent. it gets rusty fast. with cleans, i tend to get pinned in the hole. as such, when my front squat goes up, my clean goes up. i’m surprised at how soon my technique comes back on cleans after some time out from doing them. so long as i’ve kept up my front squat only seems to take a couple weeks to get it back to the point of getting stuck in the hole limiting things again. snatches are different. they suffer from lack of practice.
i’m not particularly good, though.
[quote]alexus wrote:
snatch does seem to be most technique dependent. it gets rusty fast. with cleans, i tend to get pinned in the hole. as such, when my front squat goes up, my clean goes up. i’m surprised at how soon my technique comes back on cleans after some time out from doing them. so long as i’ve kept up my front squat only seems to take a couple weeks to get it back to the point of getting stuck in the hole limiting things again. snatches are different. they suffer from lack of practice.
i’m not particularly good, though.
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This is exactly true for me. If I take more than one day off in a row I have to do a ton of warm up work the first snatch session afterwards to feel “the groove”. One would probably have to put in hundreds of hours of snatch work to be able to pick up snatches in the same way you talk about cleans above.
[quote]Tri delta wrote:
[quote]akmcsnarfy wrote:
Last question: what is your bodyweight currently?
I bet the deadlifts have a lot to do with it, I doubt if you got your front squat over 400 it would allow you to clean 350 without doing cleans.[/quote]
I’m 175 at 5,10"[/quote]
So, not doing cleans for a year you hit a 300# clean @ 175 weight? You’re a natural. Quit everything else.
[quote]Tri delta wrote:
When I last cleaned about a year ago, my clean was about 85% of my front squat max. A year later, my squat is up and I cleaned .85 of my squat without cleaning for a year. I guess I’m saying what’s the point of doing olympic lifts for sports if it’s depend and on squat max? Why not just get stronger and sprint? All this rate of force talk seems way over blown.[/quote]
I’m glad you asked, and I can explain.
Believe it or not, a training program involving snatches, cleans, and squats compared to something that just has squats provides faster and better progress.
Do you want me to go to the nitty-gritty details? I can go broscientific on you and draw on the power of Yuri Verkhoshansky and Bud Charniga.