[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
eh, one joint a day? Come on, won’t hold back any gains at all.
Won’t effect fat loss or gain.
Won’t mess with test levels.
The only thing it will do long term is it will cause lung cancer.
Plese do some thinking for yourself and stop parroting BS you’ve been spoon fed all your life.
Show me a study that refutes anything I just said and I will.
Oh yea thats right you can’t. Moron
Show me a study that actually demonstrates an increased link of lung cancer. A study-not a government-sponsored blog. Oh, that’s right. You can’t. In fact, leading researchers today do not believe that it increases the likelihood of lung cancer. But it is not good for lung function, and the verdict is not yet out on the relationship to emphysema. The evidence suggests that it increases the likelihood of developing emphysema. More research in these areas is underway.[/quote]
Smoke causes cancer. Smoke from anything. SMOKE CAUSES CANCER.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Also, i smoke but don’t get stoned. I dislike getting stoned and therefore never get stoned. [/quote]
Then why smoke at all? If you are getting any effect then you are getting stoned.
I know a few successful people who smoke too. I know far more succesful ones who don’t. And out of those who do smoke heavily, all have some dependancy problems and it is the exception that they are successful. Most of them are barely getting by in their entry level jobs.
It was the dope holding me back, but you are right that it was my choice to smoke it. I have an addictive personality and smoking became the main goal for a couple of years.
But I don’t think anyone can rationally say that smoking any drug isn’t doing them some harm. It’s just the level of harm that is the question.
I’m still all for legalisation, however I will not smoke again except for rare occasions. I function very well without it, poorly at best with it. Even though at the time I’d argue black and blue that I was fine and it was a ‘healthy’ choice compared to other drugs.
Now I think the healthy choice is a glass of red wine with dinner a few nights a week. And that’s it.
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Nicholas F wrote:
eh, one joint a day? Come on, won’t hold back any gains at all.
Won’t effect fat loss or gain.
Won’t mess with test levels.
The only thing it will do long term is it will cause lung cancer.
Plese do some thinking for yourself and stop parroting BS you’ve been spoon fed all your life.
Show me a study that refutes anything I just said and I will.
Oh yea thats right you can’t. Moron
Show me a study that actually demonstrates an increased link of lung cancer. A study-not a government-sponsored blog. Oh, that’s right. You can’t. In fact, leading researchers today do not believe that it increases the likelihood of lung cancer. But it is not good for lung function, and the verdict is not yet out on the relationship to emphysema. The evidence suggests that it increases the likelihood of developing emphysema. More research in these areas is underway.
Smoke causes cancer. Smoke from anything. SMOKE CAUSES CANCER.
Doesn’t take a genius to put 2 and 2 together.
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Your op-ed does not make it so. Smoke impairs lung function. Smoke damages aleveoli. Scientists do not believe smoke itself produces cancerous cells. By what mechanism does it do this, if you think so? It is the 4000 chemcials in cigarettes that are carcinogenic and cause cell mutations and lead to cancer. Do you have any other basis to back up your statement other than supposition?
[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
Yes it will hurt your gains,by limiting your lungs air capacity each breath you take is shorter then normal and while you are working out that means less air can get to your muscles so lactic acid sets in before you hit your optimal range.
Anyone see the problem with that logic?[/quote]
Yes, Marijuana use actually trains you to take fuller breaths and enhancing circulation. The tar won’t quite ruin your VO2max.
Marijuana isnt the best choice if your gonna want to be getting lean might work for you but I had to to cut it out due to lack of ambition and high twinkie intake. It seemed everytime I smoked I forgot about going to the gym and ate twinkies.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Who cares about the “scientific” studies? Does anyone know anybody who does drugs on a daily basis and is successful in life or the weight room? The only guys I ever knew who got into drugs all ended up droppping out of college. It just seems to me, if you are interested in building your body and doing something healthy, why do the opposite? [/quote]
Same exact thing I saw, two of my former friends who were honors students in high school dropped out of college. One had a full ride on an academic scholarship. Poof It all went up in smoke… However, I am an advocate of moderation. Why even bother getting high and going to bed?
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Your op-ed does not make it so. Smoke impairs lung function. Smoke damages aleveoli. Scientists do not believe smoke itself produces cancerous cells. By what mechanism does it do this, if you think so? It is the 4000 chemcials in cigarettes that are carcinogenic and cause cell mutations and lead to cancer. Do you have any other basis to back up your statement other than supposition?[/quote]
That’s the real secret. Tobacco companies want you to think it is all smoke that causes cancer, not the radioactive fertilizer they use. Most pot is not grown in radioactive soil.
ok peeps, so u say weed is bad for motivation, true! if u have no drive to begin with then there u go, i’m 42, been intaking(smoking, vaporizing(if ur gonna puff then this is the healthiest) eating, since i was 10 yrs old, stop many times for years at a time, then return to the girls when i felt ready…never flunked out of school, learned how to fool the marine corp piss test, as well as the metlife insurance company piss test where i worked for ten years, delivered my projetcs on time and with creative flair i was respected for all the while serenely blissed, i workout religously every 48-72hrs, depending on my schedule, using mainly programs from here, have seen gains or losses depending on what i want to achieve while high! …like pavel and chad and dave says take a deep breath dammit, hold and push, pull, etc…cmon leftwingers, stop it! there has never been one recorded cannabis death or accident, can we save that about alcohol? thc, thats main ingredient…thats it, cigs? alcohol?? i can puff all day and u not have a clue but how many times have i watched mofo’s drink themselves into coma, vomiting and pissing ur pants…like the previous post pointed out if u eat it ur on most of the day with any smoking…like i said i do about a gram a day, produce my own, so none of that street shit…been to the coffee shops in amsterdam, early morning to late evening eating and drinking with no prob. go to the local bar in brooklyn where ur local 150lb asshole with a coupla shots of liquid courage decide my big black ass is just right for the fucking with, but since i toked up b4 leaving the crib, i’m way mellow, laugh and walk off…now if was i drinking way different story…now does it affect ur workout maybe, but take it as a punishment for enjoying mothernatures finish blend and work harder…ONE
Yes, smoking impairs lung function. I’ve noticed it first hand even after smoking a few times last week for the first time in a while. On the same grounds, not smoking it impairs your ability to eat more, sleep better, and “destress” yourself. Anyone that cannot compromise with this is ignorant and has no knowledge on the subject except for what their teacher’s told them.
If given a vaporizer or eaten (you can use olive oil, instead of making brownies, for those who would say brownies are unhealthy), it could absolutely be part of a healthy lifestyle. It’s a lifestyle choice though, just like lifting. One can let lifting take control of your life, as can someone smoking marijuana.
As far as successful people smoking; I’m sure there are a lot more than you think. For a millionaire to admit he smokes pot is an unnecessary risk. It’s not high school anymore, smoking pot isn’t about being the “cool stoner.”
[quote]roler wrote:
ok peeps, so u say weed is bad for motivation, true! if u have no drive to begin with then there u go, i’m 42, been intaking(smoking, vaporizing(if ur gonna puff then this is the healthiest) eating, since i was 10 yrs old, stop many times for years at a time, then return to the girls when i felt ready…never flunked out of school, learned how to fool the marine corp piss test, as well as the metlife insurance company piss test where i worked for ten years, delivered my projetcs on time and with creative flair i was respected for all the while serenely blissed, i workout religously every 48-72hrs, depending on my schedule, using mainly programs from here, have seen gains or losses depending on what i want to achieve while high! …like pavel and chad and dave says take a deep breath dammit, hold and push, pull, etc…cmon leftwingers, stop it! there has never been one recorded cannabis death or accident, can we save that about alcohol? thc, thats main ingredient…thats it, cigs? alcohol?? i can puff all day and u not have a clue but how many times have i watched mofo’s drink themselves into coma, vomiting and pissing ur pants…like the previous post pointed out if u eat it ur on most of the day with any smoking…like i said i do about a gram a day, produce my own, so none of that street shit…been to the coffee shops in amsterdam, early morning to late evening eating and drinking with no prob. go to the local bar in brooklyn where ur local 150lb asshole with a coupla shots of liquid courage decide my big black ass is just right for the fucking with, but since i toked up b4 leaving the crib, i’m way mellow, laugh and walk off…now if was i drinking way different story…now does it affect ur workout maybe, but take it as a punishment for enjoying mothernatures finish blend and work harder…ONE [/quote]
True, true. I just spent 8 days in Amsterdam last month. Stayed right on the Amstel River above the Bush Doctor coffee shop. I’m a smoker for life, there have been times when i did not smoke for long periods after smoking daily for months. The first day without smoking was so easy it was not even funny. No withdrawal, no lagging, nothing. I guess some people never smoked anything except for some street brick weed and getting stupid stoned is all they know. It’s like getting drunk on cheap sugary alcohol vs. fine Belvedere vodka.
No offense PGJ, but your reaction to someone smoking gear is practically pavlovian at best. You either have never smoked it or have had a bad experience with it, but either way it is clear that you don?t know anything about it. You are a victim of the “war on drugs” propaganda.
You actually say “who cares about “scientific” studies”. How can you expect anyone to value your answer after you say that? This entire website is based around science. Every supplement you take has some scientific research behind it which is the entire basis for why it works. That whole “drugs are bad” mentality is rediculous. Bad things are Bad, but everything has it?s place and purpose.
The term drugs has become so vague today that I no longer know what people are talking about when they speak of drugs. There are drugs that save peoples lives and drugs that end them. There are drugs that stimulate, and drugs that depress, etc. Drugs to me can only mean active compounds which effect the human system. But then practically everything effects the human system.
Before you come out with a five star straw man defense like “so you?re saying we should all use heroin”, know that I do not advocate the use of “drugs” by the conventional definition. I merely support the practice of scientific knowledge, which is to suggest that speculation will not suffice…
Dude, to us in the cannabis community this news is as old and plyed out over and over and over again. Not unlike the “cannabis causes people to be insane and murder other people”, like here in the USA back in the day.
Don’t you see what’s happening? Aren’t the BS scare tactics obvious? Cannabis is used 100% the way it comes out of the ground. No alteration or chemical processes are rquired, it’s as natural and good for you a “fun” substance as you can get.
PS.
Hey, did you hear? Taking one D-ball daily will surely give you liver cancer.
[quote]roler wrote:
ok peeps, so u say weed is bad for motivation, true! if u have no drive to begin with then there u go, i’m 42, been intaking(smoking, vaporizing(if ur gonna puff then this is the healthiest) eating, since i was 10 yrs old, stop many times for years at a time, then return to the girls when i felt ready…never flunked out of school, learned how to fool the marine corp piss test, as well as the metlife insurance company piss test where i worked for ten years, delivered my projetcs on time and with creative flair i was respected for all the while serenely blissed, i workout religously every 48-72hrs, depending on my schedule, using mainly programs from here, have seen gains or losses depending on what i want to achieve while high! …like pavel and chad and dave says take a deep breath dammit, hold and push, pull, etc…cmon leftwingers, stop it! there has never been one recorded cannabis death or accident, can we save that about alcohol? thc, thats main ingredient…thats it, cigs? alcohol?? i can puff all day and u not have a clue but how many times have i watched mofo’s drink themselves into coma, vomiting and pissing ur pants…like the previous post pointed out if u eat it ur on most of the day with any smoking…like i said i do about a gram a day, produce my own, so none of that street shit…been to the coffee shops in amsterdam, early morning to late evening eating and drinking with no prob. go to the local bar in brooklyn where ur local 150lb asshole with a coupla shots of liquid courage decide my big black ass is just right for the fucking with, but since i toked up b4 leaving the crib, i’m way mellow, laugh and walk off…now if was i drinking way different story…now does it affect ur workout maybe, but take it as a punishment for enjoying mothernatures finish blend and work harder…ONE [/quote]
AMEN
(disclaimer: this was by no means intended to start another worthless religious thread, I just happen to agree with the authors point of view)
[quote]Nicholas F wrote:
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But there is one thing. Smoke, in all forms, even from the healthiest plant in the world, is cancerous. Smoke causes cancer. Any smoke, be it from cigarettes, weed, a campfire, or Geronimo’s peace pipe, LOL, you name it. Thats just something you can’t really refute.
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They are even saying that the smoke from the grill leaves cancer causing stuff on the meat. Not just the burned meat but deposits from smoke.
There is no way smoking can be anything but damaging to the lungs.
[quote]Sepukku wrote:
Forogot to add this link concerning a link between cannabis and schizophrenia. Debated in the scientific world, but interesting none the less.[/quote]
if after all this time i ain’t subvoiced out, i believe u’ve fallen for the williebobo son…too much lifting can surely screw u up, lift the wrong way can surely screw u up, being hardheaded about lifting can surely screw u up, to me if u injest or don’t, u should lift, it’s mandatory, healthy body healhty mind, lift heavy and often, now on the ganja tip…limme do me, i have no morning appetite til i get slightly lifted, coupla tokes and green eggs and turkey spam…good to go…happy happy happy…run my business, go to the gym and wage war, and oh eat like helllllllll…one!
