My eating plan is to eat as much as possible. My winter coat will be staying for a few more months. I hope the strategy works out for me.
[quote]edvizard wrote:
I know everyone has different metabolisms etc, but unless you’re preparing for a contest, are you serious that pigging out for a day will really make any differance…I swear that I could eat 8000 calories for a couple of days and not see any change…come the next workout you’ll have a nice bit of energy and be bursting to hit the weights heavy.
Anyone else feel the same…not having a go at those who feel the need to restrict themselves but if calorie surplus/restriction really worked like you’re suggesting, it wouldn’t take much dedication to get get ripped![/quote]
The reason guys worry about this shit is they lack any perspective. This lack of perspective is caused by a) a lack of serious training over several years and b) a lack of results.
Guys who have been training hard for years and who have seen results know you really don’t need to worry about this shit. It’s what the OP is doing the other 363 days of the year that’s fucking him up!
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Eat whatever you want Thanksgiving day [obviously over]. Eat whatever you want Christmas day. Eat whatever you want New Years. DON’T treat any days in between any different than any other time of year except for the occasional treat. Otherwise eat according to your physique-goals of the moement.[/quote]
What he said. I didn’t get a Thanksgiving meal, so you better believe I’m making up for it Christmas Day.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
edvizard wrote:
I know everyone has different metabolisms etc, but unless you’re preparing for a contest, are you serious that pigging out for a day will really make any differance…I swear that I could eat 8000 calories for a couple of days and not see any change…come the next workout you’ll have a nice bit of energy and be bursting to hit the weights heavy.
Anyone else feel the same…not having a go at those who feel the need to restrict themselves but if calorie surplus/restriction really worked like you’re suggesting, it wouldn’t take much dedication to get get ripped!
The reason guys worry about this shit is they lack any perspective. This lack of perspective is caused by a) a lack of serious training over several years and b) a lack of results.
Guys who have been training hard for years and who have seen results know you really don’t need to worry about this shit. It’s what the OP is doing the other 363 days of the year that’s fucking him up![/quote]
Lack of perspective, lack of proper trainig, lack of results. Very likely true. Think you’d have to throw lack of common sense in there as well.
My eating stradegy
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x-mas eve, eat every 3 hours, then gourge myself at x-mas eve dinner.
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X-mas eve night, Train heavy.
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X-mas day, eat every 3 hours, gourge myself on x-mas dinner and birthday cake(my b-day)
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Post X-mas day, Train heavy, resume regularly scheduled eating.
I will be following the 3 ‘Just Fucking’ rules to a “T”
Just Fucking Eat
Just Fucking Lift
Just Fukcing Sleep
Please!
What’s a Christmas without some egg nog and pumpkin pie?
I’m gonna let loose alright.
I’m gonna eat everything in my sight.
Hell,I’m gonna do some morning cardio on christmas day and thats it.
Losing weight is something you can always do. However,memories aren’t something you can bring back.
Take the day off and enjoy christmas.
It will be good for you.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
technic wrote:
and as it was said…winter’s fur bulking 
I guess everyone has their own self-justified excuses for pigging out.
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it doesn’t have to be so hard. as i said, if you’re eating clean at all other times, it will be harder for you to really pig out, than if you pig out semi-frequently.
I’m an ffb. when people think tehy’re gorging themselves, those would be my regular meals! people’s regular servings would be like war rations to me! but over the years i’ve learned to eat properly, my stomach has “shrunk” and i can’t pig out as much as i used to.
eating that a few days out of the year isn’t goign to hurt.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Are you a professional athlete of Lance Armstrong’s caliber? If not, then you’re pretty lame for worrying about such things.
Oh, and here’s some bad news: The body is a complex organism. All this worrying about ONE meal has caused your body to release excessive cortisol. If you have just had a worry-free day, you would have been better off than you are now. But all of this agonizing will cause you to lose muscle and gain fat.
The reason guys worry about this shit is they lack any perspective. This lack of perspective is caused by a) a lack of serious training over several years and b) a lack of results.
Guys who have been training hard for years and who have seen results know you really don’t need to worry about this shit. It’s what the OP is doing the other 363 days of the year that’s fucking him up![/quote]
Who the hell do you think you are calling me lame for starting a genuine thread about a topic that some find interesting and useful?
If you don’t worry about it, that’s fine, you’re definitely welcome to let us all know, but for fuck’s sake: You don’t have a clue what my perspective is, what training I’ve done or what results I’ve been getting, so stop talking like you do, you pompous ass.
Law, thanks for yet again infesting a thread with your full-of-self-importance attitude and for pushing your inflexible mindset upon everyone here. Others have taken to it like a beacon and now this thread is full of “eat big, lift heavy” simpletons.
Find yourself another hobby, Law - you may not realise it, but you detract more from T-Nation than you add.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Are you a professional athlete of Lance Armstrong’s caliber? If not, then you’re pretty lame for worrying about such things.
Oh, and here’s some bad news: The body is a complex organism. All this worrying about ONE meal has caused your body to release excessive cortisol. If you have just had a worry-free day, you would have been better off than you are now. But all of this agonizing will cause you to lose muscle and gain fat.
The reason guys worry about this shit is they lack any perspective. This lack of perspective is caused by a) a lack of serious training over several years and b) a lack of results.
Guys who have been training hard for years and who have seen results know you really don’t need to worry about this shit. It’s what the OP is doing the other 363 days of the year that’s fucking him up!
Who the hell do you think you are calling me lame for starting a genuine thread about a topic that some find interesting and useful?
If you don’t worry about it, that’s fine, you’re definitely welcome to let us all know, but for fuck’s sake: You don’t have a clue what my perspective is, what training I’ve done or what results I’ve been getting, so stop talking like you do, you pompous ass.
Law, thanks for yet again infesting a thread with your full-of-self-importance attitude and for pushing your inflexible mindset upon everyone here. Others have taken to it like a beacon and now this thread is full of “eat big, lift heavy” simpletons.
Find yourself another hobby, Law - you may not realise it, but you detract more from T-Nation than you add.
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Fair enough post. But are you talking about strategies for good eating general over the course of the holiday weeks or the one day? If it’s the latter, why do you feel like you can’t enjoy whatever you want one day a year? That doesn’t make sense to me EVEN if you were a high-level competitive bodybuilder [barring a January competition]
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
Professor X wrote:
LOL. Even if trying to cut some weight, Christmas Day and Thanksgiving day are both true CHEAT DAYS. Why even stress over it?
Nobody’s stressing, but the reasoning is quite simple. A cheat meal now and then won’t do you any real harm, but to just let everything go and have and mentally allow yourself an entire cheat DAY is irresponsible if you’re serious about your goals.
Firstly, if you mentally cut loose from your dietarty plan for an entire day, you’re much more likely to hugely overeat due to the “what the hell, it’s my cheat day/I’d better eat this now cause there’s no way I’m allowed to touch it on any other day” mentality.
Secondly, that kind of serious overeating can take a week of stricter eating to balance out. Who wants to have to go through that when there’s no real need to and when you think about it, gives you no real lasting pleasure?
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You honestly believe this? You know, the only thing worse than simply thinking this…is being some guy who doesn’t look the part who acts like this. I truly hope you are simply in amazing near contest shape with muscularity that rivals most of the posters on this forum. If not, this just got even more lame.
One day a year will set you back how much? Are you even dieting?
Your metabolism and genetics govern what you can get away with when dieting, not some blanket statement about it taking your body over a week to “recover” from a cheat day. In some people, that same cheat day could help keep their metabolism higher than without it. You base actions on results.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Fair enough post. But are you talking about strategies for good eating general over the course of the holiday weeks or the one day? If it’s the latter, why do you feel like you can’t enjoy whatever you want one day a year? That doesn’t make sense to me EVEN if you were a high-level competitive bodybuilder [barring a January competition][/quote]
I’m talking about over the course of the holiday weeks. Although there are some arguments to support it, I am not talking about and am personally not going to take it to the extreme. Seems a lot of people are over reacting.
[quote]beaul wrote:
I will be following the 3 ‘Just Fucking’ rules to a “T”
Just Fucking Eat
Just Fucking Lift
Just Fukcing Sleep
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Well said.
Because people choose to enjoy themselves on a holiday or whatever does not mean they are not strict about their goals. It just means they enjoy living.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
You honestly believe this? You know, the only thing worse than simply thinking this…is being some guy who doesn’t look the part who acts like this. I truly hope you are simply in amazing near contest shape with muscularity that rivals most of the posters on this forum. If not, this just got even more lame.
One day a year will set you back how much? Are you even dieting?
Your metabolism and genetics govern what you can get away with when dieting, not some blanket statement about it taking your body over a week to “recover” from a cheat day. In some people, that same cheat day could help keep their metabolism higher than without it. You base actions on results. [/quote]
For Christ’s sake, X, it’s obvious that I was generalising about the taking a week to recover statement.
My purpose in saying this was to note that when people give themselves a period of time to loosen the reins a little, they have a high probablility of going overboard. If you ingest 2000kcal more than you normally would it may indeed take you a week of small, incremental restrictions to rein that back in. Of course this isn’t going to be the case because everyone’s different - I don’t think most reasonable people would have taken my post as a blanket statement.
Either way, using the “it will increase my metabolism” excuse is a pretty poor one. One cheat day won’t have any lasting effects on raising your metabolism.
If someone wants to pig out during the holiday period, that’s fine for them. I’m not judging.
Chill out, go for a walk, clear your head and come back when you can appreciate the spirit of the original post.
One fact -
The OP is from Australia. It is fucking summer down here so the winter coat is a concern.
I don’t think he is just talking about Christmas day. The whole silly season is what he is talking about.
My December Schedule
Friday Dec 1: Christmas Charity Concert
Tuesday Dec 5: Work Christmas party
Saturday Dec 9: Mrs’ Work Party
Sunday Dec 10: Dad’s family Christmas
Tues Dec 12: Football Club Christmas
Friday Dec 15: Gym Christmas Party
Saturday Dec 16: Cricket Christmas Party
Sunday Dec 17: Mum’s Family party
Sat Dec 23: Mrs Grandparents Christmas Party
Monday Dec 25: Christmas Day
Tuesday Dec 26: Boxing Day Test Party
Sun Dec 31: NYE Party
All of those have excess amounts of booze and shitty food. For someone worried about their % fat in SUMMER, I could see his concern.
[quote]RagingBull wrote:
For Christ’s sake, X, it’s obvious that I was generalising about the taking a week to recover statement.
My purpose in saying this was to note that when people give themselves a period of time to loosen the reins a little, they have a high probablility of going overboard. If you ingest 2000kcal more than you normally would it may indeed take you a week of small, incremental restrictions to rein that back in. Of course this isn’t going to be the case because everyone’s different - I don’t think most reasonable people would have taken my post as a blanket statement.
Either way, using the “it will increase my metabolism” excuse is a pretty poor one. One cheat day won’t have any lasting effects on raising your metabolism.
If someone wants to pig out during the holiday period, that’s fine for them. I’m not judging.
Chill out, go for a walk, clear your head and come back when you can appreciate the spirit of the original post.[/quote]
You were going a little overboard. Kind of like a borderline anorexic mentality. If you didn’t mean to come off that way, fine, but you did.
I completely understand what you are saying- but it’s really not a very meaningful threat to most people. Eating 2000cal more one day for most people with our “hobby” isn’t going to lead to an all out eating binge. If it does, then it would have likely happened anyway and the person is weak-willed.
As for it taking a week to “recover”? What are you recovering from? If you mean for the scale weight to drop back, that’s just mostly food and water weight. It would also only make a difference for most if they were dieting in the first place.
It is a proven fact that a large influx of food can rev up a stagnant metabolism. This isn’t something that’s just made up nor is it an “excuse”. Ever heard of a carb-up? It’s the same principle. I have my absolute best days in the gym the day after Christmas every year.
[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
One fact -
The OP is from Australia. It is fucking summer down here so the winter coat is a concern.
I don’t think he is just talking about Christmas day. The whole silly season is what he is talking about.
My December Schedule
Friday Dec 1: Christmas Charity Concert
Tuesday Dec 5: Work Christmas party
Saturday Dec 9: Mrs’ Work Party
Sunday Dec 10: Dad’s family Christmas
Tues Dec 12: Football Club Christmas
Friday Dec 15: Gym Christmas Party
Saturday Dec 16: Cricket Christmas Party
Sunday Dec 17: Mum’s Family party
Sat Dec 23: Mrs Grandparents Christmas Party
Monday Dec 25: Christmas Day
Tuesday Dec 26: Boxing Day Test Party
Sun Dec 31: NYE Party
All of those have excess amounts of booze and shitty food. For someone worried about their % fat in SUMMER, I could see his concern.[/quote]
Man I see you setting some new PR’s this month…
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
You were going a little overboard. Kind of like a borderline anorexic mentality. If you didn’t mean to come off that way, fine, but you did.
I completely understand what you are saying- but it’s really not a very meaningful threat to most people. Eating 2000cal more one day for most people with our “hobby” isn’t going to lead to an all out eating binge. If it does, then it would have likely happened anyway and the person is weak-willed.
As for it taking a week to “recover”? What are you recovering from? If you mean for the scale weight to drop back, that’s just mostly food and water weight. It would also only make a difference for most if they were dieting in the first place.
It is a proven fact that a large influx of food can rev up a stagnant metabolism. This isn’t something that’s just made up nor is it an “excuse”. Ever heard of a carb-up? It’s the same principle. I have my absolute best days in the gym the day after Christmas every year.[/quote]
Well said. If someone is low carb dieting, one day of eating more could actually HELP your progress, especially if it isn’t a regular occurrence. There is no need to even approach this as if someone will simply fall of their goal completely if they have a cheat day.
This site isn’t even supposed to be for those people. I would hope most of the people here are at least strong willed enough to be focused so they remain on track regardless of what may knock them off for one day. When dieting, your metabolism slows down over time. It doesn’t speed up. I want someone to PROVE that a cheat day or meal has absolutely no positive effect on someone dieting.
It has always worked well for me and some of the people on this site come across as if they are getting ready for a bodybuilding contest when the truth is, very few actually would pass for “weight lifters” on the street.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
As for it taking a week to “recover”? What are you recovering from?
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Not recovery in a traditionl sense, my meaning was that if you’re keeping track of your calories and have a set goal per day and per week, 2000 calories is quite a bit to peg back.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
It is a proven fact that a large influx of food can rev up a stagnant metabolism. This isn’t something that’s just made up nor is it an “excuse”. Ever heard of a carb-up? It’s the same principle. I have my absolute best days in the gym the day after Christmas every year
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If you’re still talking about the one day of high calories, yes it will rev up your metabolism, but it won’t do so for any significant amount of time. To make a more lasting change you’d need to eat more for an extended period.
Perhaps the reason why your best days in the gym being after Christmas is in your case because you’re over-trained and your body is grateful of the rest? This may indeed be the case for some people, but not everybody.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It has always worked well for me and some of the people on this site come across as if they are getting ready for a bodybuilding contest when the truth is, very few actually would pass for “weight lifters” on the street.[/quote]
Sad, but true. Of course the irony is that people who worry the least about this shit are the ones who look the best. Like I told the OP, if he had results over the years, he would know you don’t need to worry about two days of eating. It’s the other 363 that count.
Another clear case of the pursuit of perfection completely overriding any sense of common sense.
Why would anyone stress one bit about celebrating a holiday?
Why would anyone argue the fact that, if in fact you live to this degree of perfectionism, that a cheat day is actually the one thing you need?
Why would anyone celebrate Christmas in summer? Sorry, I know that one’s not your fault, but man, can’t you see–it’s messin’ with your head.