Christianity vs. Judaism vs. Islam

Hey Tim…I appreciated your post! I can tell your are a Jehovah’s Witness.
I will only respond to a little part at this time.
Now the verse that call Jesus the firstborn over all creation. That verse is saying that He is the first in rank…over all creation…it doesn’t mean that He is the first created being. It refers to rank or preeminence.

If Jesus was really Michael the archangel…He would not have accepted worship. Angels are NOT to be worshipped and in fact in Revelation; the angel stops John and tells him NOT to worship him…because he is a fellow servant of the Lord…just like John was.
The book of Collasians says that in the Beginning was the Word…and the Word was with God and the Word was God. And that the Word became flesh and lived among us.
Now, I know that you get alot of your info from the WATCHTOWER PULBLICATION. . And the Jehova Witnesses have changed words in the Bible…calling the Jesus the creator of all “other” things. Basically making Jesus a junior partner in creation.
After Thomas touched the side of Jesus…he fell to his feet and cried out…“My Lord and My God!” Angels do not accept nor deserve worship.

All three monotheistic religions have experienced violent episodes in their histories as well as in the present day. Same for the athiests and all other religous groupings. What each has in common is the Human component.

Now that we have cleared up:

Judaism, at it’s roots, was/is a religion of a single nation (Israel) which seeks to define itself via its relationship with G-d, who created the universe and set the Israelites aside as a “special” nation.

Christianity began as a Jewish (Israelite) sect, and developed its own religious articles of faith as it matured. The basic seperation of Christianity from its Jewish roots is that the long-awaited Messiah (literally meaning “annointed” in Hebrew, as in “Annointed King”) has already come, and his name was Jesus. Salvation, then, lies with embracing Jesus as the Messiah. The concept of the Holy Trinity is unique to certain (but not all) Christian sects.

Islam is the latest of the 3 monotheistic faiths. Its basic tenets (known as the 5 Pillars) include the belief in one…and only one…God, and that Mohammed is his (most noble) Prophet. All other prophets are seen to be less ‘influential’ because their words have been altered by Jews and Christians, and thus cannot be counted as truly authentic. Mohammed’s prophesies (the Koran) are considered to be the final prophesies of God.

In short, all 3 religions pray to the very same God.

How they do so, and how they interpret their respective Holy Books…and thus determine/define righteous action…is what seperates each from the other.

oh Tim…one other little point: Jesus die physically on the cross…He did not die spiritually. In fact…before His physical death…He said…“Father…into thy hands I commit my spirit.” And at His resurrection…His spirit entered His stone cold body and raised it! He paid the price for the sins of mankind by His PHYSICAL death. God cannot die spiritually. We do not die spiritually.

Jesus is the GodMan…fully God…fully man. He never gave up any aspect of divinity when He was in human form. He cloaked His divinity. And the Jews wanted to kill him remember…for claiming that He was God. Jesus had told the Jews…“Before Abraham…I AM!” At this they tried to stone him for blasphemy as He was claiming to be God!

Little Jay,
Well said, I think you hit nailed it.It’s not religion that’s the problem,its the human factor and our application.

Gorman: I guess it depends on your definitely of religion. To me, religion implies a set of beliefs that are taught early in life that are intended to guide you. That is great, we probably need more people with moral guidance. Where religion loses its credibility is when it provides yet another channel to divert anger and ignorance on others. Religion in this respect gives people a reason to hate people they don’t know, don’t want to know, and therefore cannot understand.

I guess I use the term religion to mean mind control. Spirituality is the understanding. I guess in my posts that is what I intend to say. I don’t want to create a “me against religion” mentality when there are people out there that are religious but not blinded by it. :slight_smile:

PtrDR: Jesus’ divinity was based in having an open mind. Everyone seems to be mystified by this. Anyone can be divine by simply asking, seeking, knocking. :slight_smile:

Dr. D…

I see where you are coming from, but can’t agree with the following:

To me, Humanity will always find “another channel” to divert anger, hatred and it’s ignorance. Religion, in this regard, is a victim of Humanity’s desire to impede it’s own progress. If not religion, it would be nationality. If not nationality, skin color, or ethnic (linguistic or cultural) differences. Or maybe it would be gender, sexual preference, age, occupation, wealth, physical characteristsics, etc…

John Lennon was wrong…imaging a world without religion is a foolish endeavor. We can’t escape ourselves by destroying our past. We’ll just repeat the mistakes.

Oh shit…I’m starting to get all serious now. FUCK!

And Tony…thanks for “getting it!”

If the question is, do all these three religions worship the same God? You can interpret it in different ways. Do they all believe in the “Old Testament” God of the first few books of the Bible? Yes. It all originated from the same place. Yet, the God that made us isn’t fully described by just the first few books of the Bible. Jesus the Christ is God in the flesh, and if you don’t know Jesus, you don’t know God. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father except through Me.” If you don’t believe in Jesus, you are missing out on a vital part of God’s existence.

What about the Mormons?!?!?!

ptrDR,

I’m really glad you didn’t flame me. I love talking (or typing) to people who are willing to exchange idea whether it is about religion or hobbies or weightlifting.

I’m glad I didn’t offend you.

I won’t argue with you. I have to ask you one question, what makes you say I’m one of Jehovah’s Witnesses? Is it because I used the name Jehovah in my post? That was in the 3rd Indiana Jones movie!!! :slight_smile:

I won’t say what religion I profess to be, because some people make that an issue when it’s not. What is the issue, is what the bible teaches. I think you’d agree. I’ll tell you what religion I am in PM.

I have studied many religions though. I don’t blindly follow anything (religious, political, fitness, diet, etc.) without researching it as best I can.

I appreciate you being so nice about my post. I’m just here to listen and occaisionally post.

Ok, cool, lots of interesting views going on here, so since I started this I’ll guess I’ll chime in. Just so you all know, some of my facts might be a little off as I am reciting everything from memory right now.

So I’ll start with how each religion gets its message. Judaism and Christianity have their bibles, Jew having only the Old Testament whilst Christians have the New Testament in addition to the old. Islam has the Quran. Now, the most important aspect here, and some people WILL hate me for this, is that the Quran is simply the purest form of the word of God IF you believe that it is real. What I mean is that the Testaments were written by a multitude of people who winessed/participated in/heard of/ or read the accoutns that we can now read. On the otherhand the Quran, as Muhammad claims, is the direct word of God spoken to him through Gabriel (I think that was the angel, correct me if I am wrong). Another key point to note is that any translation of the Quran is always considered an interpretation and the only true Quran is the arabic text, whereas today the only Bible most of us know is a translated version, of which you can find several different versions.

Secondly, all 3 religions do have a history of violence, with Judaism if I remember correctly being the least violence of all 3. Christianity has its claim to fame in the crusades, the war in Spain against the muslims, and the wonderful Catholic Spaniards and South American Indians. Islam has its conquest of the middle east and North Africa, and then its wars with the European powers.
Now, if you look at the underlying effects of some of these violent instances, you can differentiate between religious reasons or human influence. Muhammad and his muslim followers conquered because that is what God told them to do, not a violent slaughtering conquer which unfotunately is what several Muslim leaders did do, Ottomans being an example, but they were told to spread his word and for them in their tribal system a show of arms was necessary at some point. (interesting to note that when Muhammad and his followers were kicked out of Mecca and went to Medina he gained control of the town with almost no violence and only used violence to reconquer Mecca). Also, for the most part Jews and christians were not forced to convert and were allowed to live peacefully in the Muslim controlled territories, this did change after the death of Muhammad and certain overzealous muslims took control. Now in Christianity it is well known that the violent episodes are all man-made, as in leaders using/twisting the teachings of the Bible to their own purposes (spaniards in South America the most notable example). The crusades were an attempt to free Jerusalem from Muslim control, unfortunately my knowledge of this area is rather limited so maybe some1 else can give in the major details here, but I am pretty sure that there were christians and jews living unharmed in jerusalem under muslim rule.

I can go on, and I will at a later stage, but I am burned out from work so I will close with some of my personal observations and thoughts. I would like to state that while I do not necessarily consider myself a christian, I do believe in God, salvation, and that whole ideal. Whether or not Jesus is the Messiah is debatable and comes down to your own personal beliefs. The major point in my religious views, is that Christianity pretty much considers itself the only correct religion, everyone else is worng ( or am i screwing this up here??), that implies that the majority of the world is going to hell, which for a loving caring God, seems rather odd to me. Islam, while it is debatable over whether their religion is the correct or purest form, have a history of tolerating the other 2 major religions because at their core they worship the same God (If Muhammad had thought them wrong and heathens I am sure he would have made a greater attempt to convert them).
But for me, what it comes down to, is that I worship God, and so do christians and jews and muslims, and while the details can be argued over, all speak of a kind and merciful God, and living a good life, however it may be; and for me, this is evidence enough that we all our brothers in faith.

BdubUNC01,
According to your religion based on The Sun Also Rises, should we all get ourselves neutered and otherwise emasculated, and sit around casting insults at virile Jews?

Alright, some of the shit being said in here is down right scary, and this is coming from a kid that got taught by nuns for 6 years and benedictine monks from a monestary for another 6. I wont even get into the stuff about Islam because, goddman some of you are bigots.
What I will say is that this stuff about who said what and when is complete and total Bullshit. The accepted Christian canon was written 50-100 years after the historical Jesus, and there are infinitely more texts outside the accepted scriptures that arent accepted as “inspired.” Also, any idea that there is historical evidence for Jesus is very sparse, and the idea of there being evidence of his rising, or him seeing XYZ people, is flat out false and comes only from non primary sources written years after the so called events. In otherwords, for the most part its a fairytail

have yall read the bible? how 'bout the koran? they’re pretty much the same, damn near word for word. anyways they are guides to live by, not the end-all-be-all that people make them out to be. having said that, i think God would kinda want us to stop fuckin with eachother and just get along, regardless of our individual beliefs

With all the test being pumped in asses around here, I think a lot of people here are well on their way.

WhiteFlash…is it safe to say that you are opposed to the exchange of information that is going on on this here forum thread?
I havent’ really seen that much name calling…or condemnation on the part of anyone here. For the most part…I am seeing thought provoking discussion.
I am just wondering why you seem so “intolerant” of people having honest debate?

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I don’t know why anyone would argue about religion…what’s the point? Religion, and I mean all and every religious belief that has ever existed has been the single most cause behind wars, killings, executions, crusades, crusifixions, arguments, etc etc etc since man has walked the earth. I mean really do you see a recurring theme here? The only good side of religion is the morals and decency that they try to teach, although with all of the faggot priests who molest children I find this a bit hypocritical. And besides if you use your common sense and treat everyone with respect then we don’t even need that side of religion. However, I know some people need to believe in something for some sort of sense of security, but I personally think that its a bit of a crock, but each to their own I say.

i didnt mean to come across as preachy or holier-than-thou by any means. i was just pointing out that, by in large, all of the “major” religions bibles’ are damn near word for word the same, so we do in fact all live under the same God.also, i feel these books are good moral guides, but nothing more than that except maybe a good read. if i somehow offended someone i apologize.
yall be good, flash

I’m liking the debate. I have it it scored Christians 5, Jews 2, and Islam 1 but it’s mostly by sheer weight of numbers.

why do these threads get started? at some point someone says some stupid ass shit like muslims are decended from a maidservant… and you know someone is gonna chime in to correct them and then in the end it gets all out of hand…