One of those “little puzzle pieces” again…I weight train between 7 and 8 at night…I finish…take Surge…now the question. One hour later it’s time for the 0.8:0.4 carb/protein real food meal. How much (if any) will making this my last meal before bedtime (as opposed to a Prot/Fat meal) affect my overall goals of fat loss/lean mass preservation? Or would it be better to “bag” the 0.8:0:4 meal in favor of a Protein/Fat Meal before bed? (Maybe a little thing; but little things can make the difference).
Mufasa, whad up dawg?
I’ve wondered this myself. It tend to feel that the carbs are needed to recover properly. Still if staying lean is more of an immediate priority, I’ll go with a fat meal. Say I’m holding a lot of water or feel a little thick in the waist, I’ll go with the fat meal at the expense of recovery and benefit of body comp. However, if everything is hunky dory BF wise then I’ll go for the carbs. Depends on how I’m feeling. I know it’s a little touch-feely, so I too want to hear the hard data. Peace bro.
BigRob: EXACTLY my delimma! Is it all going to boil down to what “phase” of training you may be in? Or is there a little more to it? Hope JB and Chris chime in…
My personal approach : Increase the size of the post
workout drink by at least one-third, then wait
1-1/2 - 2 hours and go the P/F route… Perhaps
a swiss cheese omelet crammed with cottage cheese,
and some fish oil caps…( This meal is quit easy to
digest especially at night.)…(Joey Z.)
Mufasa, sorry if this is an ignorany question but do you mean .8/.4 per pound of lean body mass or something else? Thank you.
OUTSTANDING thought! So let me see if I’ve got you right. You would INCREASE the amount of say “Surge” you take (since that post “0.8/0.4” meal is all about recovery) and simply go with the P/F meal prior to bed? Am I reading you correctly? Now…just one qustion…I would imagine that you can’t take “too much” “Surge” only “too little”? Is that also right? Joe…this may be my answer…
JJ: ABSOLUTELY not an ignorant question. JB worked out some ideal calculations for both “Surge” and the first post-workout meal (real food) after our workout. It should consist of 0.8 grams/kg of carbs and 0.4 grams/kg of Protein…LBM vs. Total Body Weight? Statistically very close UNLESS you carry a large percentage of body fat (arbitrarily defined as greater than about 20-25%), in which case you use LBW. However, you should be consistent with which you use in all your calculations. Hope this helps!
I was rechecking my notes; in one place, JB seems to indicate that the 0.8/0.4 is a carb/protein RATIO, wherein in another place, they are gram amounts relative to our weight in kilograms…maybe someone will post and clear this up…Mufasa…
Yes, Mufasa!..An extra scoop or so of “SURGE” never hurt anyone!
For me personally, a post workout formula of 50 grams of pro. and
a 100 grams of carbs always worked well…Reason-if I finish working
out at 5:00 p.m. and belt down my drink then, I can have a nice home-
cooked diner at 7:00…This gives my life a little normalcy besides I’m
already using 40 to 50 grams of carbs during my workout (mixed in 1.5
liters of water) and that’s all the carbs I can tolerate, without fatting out.
(Hope this helps you, Mufasa, always Joey Z.)