Chobbs GETTING BIG AND LEAN

[quote]chobbs wrote:
Hey zraw, I was looking at the back of my Greek yogurt and it has 21 grams of sugar for every 22 grams of protein. It’s chobani, is there another brand that has a lower amount that you use?[/quote]

You should be buying the plain stuff and adding in fruits. Don’t buy the stuff with fruit in it already cause as you see, it has a lot of sugar(low quality sugar too).

Mine is just vanilla but I’m sure it’s the same nutritional facts as the fruit added in kind, thanks

Zraw, when my dextrose and bcaas come in…can I sprinkle in some caffeine? :slight_smile:

[quote]krummdiddy wrote:

[quote]Ampedlift wrote:
I really hate how shitty fruits are in North America.

I remember when I was back in Europe, actually eating ripe strawberries.

The reason kids don’t eat fruits in NA is cause none of them are ripe, fruits are supposed to be sweet not fkin sour [/quote]
If you buy it organic it is sweet… First time I had organic fruit I was like wtf is this??? Its a night and day different…[/quote]

Even organic can be picked early before the sugar content is high. What you really want is locally grown fruit, which is what you’d find at farmer’s markets.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]krummdiddy wrote:
I mean I am not expert at all I am just trying to figure out a good diet for myself… I have always had more of my carbs in the morning but maybe that has been the problem!! LOL[/quote]

People generally recommend carbs in the morning because you are more insulin sensitive, BUT that goes for fat tissue too. [/quote]
That’s what I thought but his says no carbs for first meal

No scientific back up, but maybe it’s a mechanism to keep fat gain at a minimum. Being possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time by dialling your diet in with the right macros at the right time. Just my guess though

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
No scientific back up, but maybe it’s a mechanism to keep fat gain at a minimum. Being possible to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time by dialling your diet in with the right macros at the right time. Just my guess though [/quote]
Yea that makes sense, I am thinking it might be the insulin sensitive after a while with no food… So if you were to eat carbs it would cause insulin to spike and obviously that isn’t good…

"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning

[quote]zraw wrote:
"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning[/quote]
Nice!

[quote]zraw wrote:
"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning[/quote]

I’m pretty sure this is broscience

In terms of body composition it’s simply calories in / calories out , if I find my TDEE and eat all my calories during breakfast it doesn’t matter (body composition wise)

[quote]Ampedlift wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning[/quote]

I’m pretty sure this is broscience

In terms of body composition it’s simply calories in / calories out , if I find my TDEE and eat all my calories during breakfast it doesn’t matter (body composition wise)
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Nope. There is a wealth of info on carb timing. Haven’t you ever heard anything about a window before and after lifting to get your carbs in and carb backloading and stuff like that?

[quote]Ampedlift wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning[/quote]

I’m pretty sure this is broscience

In terms of body composition it’s simply calories in / calories out , if I find my TDEE and eat all my calories during breakfast it doesn’t matter (body composition wise)
[/quote]
I am going to take ZRAW’s word for it…

[quote]Ampedlift wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
"When you wake up your fat cells are sensitive just like your muscle cells, so for many jamming a ton of carbs in this meal can impede fat burning. "

Quote from JM from his forum

When you are sleeping the “energy source” that you use is fat. There is a writeup from Dante about that iirc. basically no carbs on first meal means you still run on your “fat” energy and are using this… so basically just gives you an extra 2-3hrs of fat burning[/quote]

I’m pretty sure this is broscience

In terms of body composition it’s simply calories in / calories out , if I find my TDEE and eat all my calories during breakfast it doesn’t matter (body composition wise)
[/quote]

By tampering with hormones you can starve to death rats who remain obese to the end and die from starvation while still being obese. Going into winter squirrels will still get fat if you cut their calories by 50%. Calories in vs. calories out is oversimplified to the point of being wrong.

The amount of wood in a fire equals wood put in minus wood burned. BUT if you are putting wet wood on the fire, you are going to have more retention than putting a larger amount of dry wood on.

Broscience or not, if it works it works and there is a reason for it. So many things are going on in your body at the same time, with everyone being different and everyone reacting slower/slightly different, to say something is “broscience” because it doesnt have sound medical proof doesn’t make it less effective.

Why question it if it works, right?

[quote]Ampedlift wrote:
I’m pretty sure this is broscience

In terms of body composition it’s simply calories in / calories out , if I find my TDEE and eat all my calories during breakfast it doesn’t matter (body composition wise) [/quote]

If you find out your TDEE and eat all your calories during breakfast – as Pixie Sticks (om nom nom) – you will quickly find out that it DOES matter (body composition wise).

CICO is for weight; macros are for composition.

That being said, the whole bit about how avoiding carbs to keep yourself in “fat burning” mode is a bit derpity derp, too, but that’s a discussion for another day.

[quote]Ben_VFR85 wrote:
Broscience or not, if it works it works and there is a reason for it. So many things are going on in your body at the same time, with everyone being different and everyone reacting slower/slightly different, to say something is “broscience” because it doesnt have sound medical proof doesn’t make it less effective.

Why question it if it works, right?[/quote]

I disagree…slightly. As you advance in your career, I think it’s best to try to converge to what’s optimal, not just what works. Alot works, but doesn’t mean it’s best.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
By tampering with hormones you can starve to death rats who remain obese to the end and die from starvation while still being obese.[/quote]

I’d actually be pretty interested in reading these studies if you have them handy.

Layne has a really good article about carbs. Google Layne Norton Carbs at Night.

Fuck this threads awesome lol

[quote]myself1992 wrote:
Fuck this threads awesome lol[/quote]
Hell yea there are several of them and the are all inspiring… I am about to do a “cut” myself… I’m no bodybuilder but I am trying to lean up… I am thinking about making a thread for myself on here…