Changing of the Guard

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Once again, how would I or anyone else test to see exactly how close they got to that “40-50lbs” of muscle you claimed?

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The thing is, it’s NOT exact, hence why it’s considered SPECULATION and ESTIMATION and ACADEMIC.

Perhaps you can express why you have a seemingly huge problem with speculation. Why not just disagree or ignore?[/quote]

I have a problem with it because you are saying this is a limit yet there is no way for anyone to confirm if they did it…which makes it useless.

What CAN be tested for is lean body mass and fat mass…so why not use methods we can test for instead of making up number and claiming no one natural can pass it when no one could ever test to see if they did or not?[/quote]
Isnt there a thread about limits already?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

You kno exactly what you wrote and the desired effect you were hoping to get, so do I.
Unlike many others here I do not think you are a dumb person.
You may play dumb but IMO you know what you are doing and post the way you post for a reason, entertainment for you and more thread clicks for Biotest.[/quote]

No, I said respond directly to what I wrote or tell me specifically what you disagree with.

If you can’t do that…what is there to complain about?
[/quote]
Classic X.
You want to know the exact hypocritical troll posts that I’m speaking of?[/quote]

I want you to explain what you disagree with without the personal attacks and with some semblance of intelligent discussion.

I want to see if you can do that.[/quote]
I am not going to take te time to yet and crop your posts together, maybe someone like Super Saiyan can do that since he seems to have a skill for clumping your contradictory posts together that you inevitably ignore.

On the last page you posted that your avatar is you below 20% (later you infer that it is you at 15%) and you seem to get offended when other people estimate your BF percentage to be higher (brick comes to mind here)
Follow so far? Is this incorrect yet?
A few posts later you question another Bricks BF percentage saying he could be 20+% even though he looks leaner (definitely looks leaner than you)
Do you see the hypocrisy so far?
Do you see how these are completely contradictory outlooks?
Of course you do.
You will now commence to mince words and meanings around in order to “win” this debate.

This is all without even getting into how many times you have taken jabs at The Mighty Stu then in here you take another (which you will say isn’t a jab but anyone reading knows why you wrote what you did) and immediately follow it up by saying you don’t do what you just did.

Ok now commence with the word mincing bit.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

On the last page you posted that your avatar is you below 20% (later you infer that it is you at 15%) and you seem to get offended when other people estimate your BF percentage to be higher (brick comes to mind here)
Follow so far? Is this incorrect yet?[/quote]

Why wouldn’t I have a problem with people wrongly estimating something I was already tested for?

[quote]
A few posts later you question another Bricks BF percentage saying he could be 20+% even though he looks leaner (definitely looks leaner than you)
Do you see the hypocrisy so far?[/quote]

No, I don’t…because I wasn’t questioning him. I was pointing out that anyone could use the same argument against him as he is using on me.

I personally don’t care what BF% Brick is.

I had my bf tested. No more need for speculation.

[quote]

Do you see how these are completely contradictory outlooks? [/quote]

No. I see me being questioned by Brick and then me using the same logic against him. Maybe you misunderstood that.

[quote]
This is all without even getting into how many times you have taken jabs at The Mighty Stu then in here you take another (which you will say isn’t a jab but anyone reading knows why you wrote what you did) and immediately follow it up by saying you don’t do what you just did.

Ok now commence with the word mincing bit.[/quote]

I took a jab at Stu?

Uh, didn’t he take a jab at me?

You seem to fault me for responding at all to people.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

So now that we have that out of the way and your question was answered, how about responding to how someone would test for whether they gained that “40-50lbs” of muscle you wrote about?
[/quote]

I’ve answered this dozens of times. You don’t like any of my answers, and I accept that. [/quote]

No, you have not responded to this.

Once again, how would I or anyone else test to see exactly how close they got to that “40-50lbs” of muscle you claimed?

Why not just answer the question?

How do I calculate that?[/quote]
I thought we already agreed that an autopsy was the only way to tell and were waiting for you to get one and get back to us?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I took a jab at Stu?

Uh, didn’t he take a jab at me?

You seem to fault me for responding at all to people.[/quote]
Yes you did.
What does what I wrote have to do with you taking jabs at one of, if not THE most respected posters on this site?
You act like a child who just got in trouble, “well he did it too!!”
I don’t “fault” you for anything.
I am just pointing out your hypocrisy which IMO is calculated to get responses, drive up the views and click counts for this site.
That is all.

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[quote]steven alex wrote:

Isnt there a thread about limits already?[/quote]

Apparently there is more discussion on it since that thread got filled with people complaining that I made the thread.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

So now that we have that out of the way and your question was answered, how about responding to how someone would test for whether they gained that “40-50lbs” of muscle you wrote about?
[/quote]

I’ve answered this dozens of times. You don’t like any of my answers, and I accept that. [/quote]

No, you have not responded to this.

Once again, how would I or anyone else test to see exactly how close they got to that “40-50lbs” of muscle you claimed?

Why not just answer the question?

How do I calculate that?[/quote]
I thought we already agreed that an autopsy was the only way to tell and were waiting for you to get one and get back to us?
[/quote]

If an autopsy is the only way someone can tell, then how does he know who did or did not do it?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

So now that we have that out of the way and your question was answered, how about responding to how someone would test for whether they gained that “40-50lbs” of muscle you wrote about?
[/quote]

I’ve answered this dozens of times. You don’t like any of my answers, and I accept that. [/quote]

No, you have not responded to this.

Once again, how would I or anyone else test to see exactly how close they got to that “40-50lbs” of muscle you claimed?

Why not just answer the question?

How do I calculate that?[/quote]
I thought we already agreed that an autopsy was the only way to tell and were waiting for you to get one and get back to us?
[/quote]

If an autopsy is the only way someone can tell, then how does he know who did or did not do it?
[/quote]
Obvious joke isn’t so obvious?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

Yes you did.[/quote]

Could you quote the “jab” that you read because I missed it.

[quote]
What does what I wrote have to do with you taking jabs at one of, if not THE most respected posters on this site?[/quote]

I would need to know what jab was taken to even know how to respond to this.

[quote]
You act like a child who just got in trouble, “well he did it too!!”
I don’t “fault” you for anything.
I am just pointing out your hypocrisy which IMO is calculated to get responses, drive up the views and click counts for this site.
That is all.[/quote]

Like I said, I used his own logic against him. That is not “hypocrisy”. It is a pretty common tactic in debate.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

So now that we have that out of the way and your question was answered, how about responding to how someone would test for whether they gained that “40-50lbs” of muscle you wrote about?
[/quote]

I’ve answered this dozens of times. You don’t like any of my answers, and I accept that. [/quote]

No, you have not responded to this.

Once again, how would I or anyone else test to see exactly how close they got to that “40-50lbs” of muscle you claimed?

Why not just answer the question?

How do I calculate that?[/quote]
I thought we already agreed that an autopsy was the only way to tell and were waiting for you to get one and get back to us?
[/quote]

If an autopsy is the only way someone can tell, then how does he know who did or did not do it?
[/quote]
Obvious joke isn’t so obvious?
[/quote]

What is obvious is Brick is allowed to literally make things up and set invisible limits that you can’t even tell if you crossed or not based on popularity alone and not based on whether it is the right thing to do.

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I am not going to go back and quote your posts Professor because I have no desire to debate you.
I am not on T Nation to get my kicks out of debating.
Never was a fan of it as you obviously are.
You know when you have taken jabs at stu and tried to throw him under the bus about his natural status (although, again, you will mince words and deny this)
Then in this very thread you resort to your same old broken record routine of “Nanananana! I’m BIGGER than you” and then a sentence or two later say you don’t get at him.
“______________________” (insert word mincing reply here)

Serious question, have you ever thought about becoming a lawyer? (Refrains from obvious joke)

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[quote]atypical1 wrote:
There’s a lot of talk in here about being lean and looking good. But where’s the “stronger” in all of that? More importantly where is the performance talk in here? Stu, Zraw, etc all look good but who cares if they can’t take a hit, or run down the football field, or play a game of pick up ball (note: I’m not saying that they can’t).

The bottom line for me is looking fit and athletic is sub par to actually being fit and athletic.

james
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I know there are more performance oriented forums here (strongman, PLing, conditioning…), although honestly, it’s not my personal interest on this site, so I kinda hang around the BBing type threads. That’s the thing with the bodybuilding mentality, sure some guys feel the need to be all around athletes, but others view it as a purely aesthetic pursuit (my current outlook being in this category, although it wasn’t always so).

You’re always gonna have people disagreeing though, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

S

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am lean enough to look the way I want to look. [/quote]

While I’m 100% certain that most people on here would agree with training for your own individual goals, I have a hard time believing that anyone who truly likes how they look, despite other people not being fans, would be bothered to the point where the majority of their posts inevitably turn towards trying to get others to see things differently and constantly pat them on the back for a job well done.

(longest run-on sentence ever?)

S
[/quote]

This post makes no sense. All of us are trying to reach a goal. My goal included being BIGGER than you are. I don’t need you to pat me on the back for a job well done. I keep asking questions because trying to act like someone who built that much muscle HASN’T done something significant is disingenuous and against what many of us should be for.

I am not insulting YOUR progress…nor do I rant constantly that you didn’t get as big as my goal is…because that is YOUR goal and you did well at what YOU wanted to do.

It is a very strange act to try to constantly whine that I think too highly of myself. I simply know what I did…which was build more muscle than most of the people trying so hard to get me to see how poorly I did.[/quote]

I never insulted your progress, I simply pointed out that for all your claims of not caring about what other think of your goals, progress, or methods you spend the majority of your 50 zillion posts on here arguing with people who see things differently rather than simply saying “okay, I think differently, but whatever”. Also, your constant need to talk about how people your size (I love that characterization by the way) have to do things differently, or people with goals to be ‘really big’ have to blah blah blah… all little ways of trying to position yourself above the average, or even accomplished people on here. All in all, it’s kind of disrespectful, self serving in a sad ego satisfying manner and generally off putting, hence the usual fall out once you enter a thread.

That’s all I’ve got. I have better things to do than bump heads with some guy online. And for the record, I know it’s not a personality contest as you keep pointing out to everyone, but I certainly never came on here trying to get people to like me. I live my life doing my best to act like a well mannered, respectable person, even online. I don’t have all the answers, but I realize that I’ve managed to do reasonably well with my own goals, and if I can help people out I will. If someone disagrees with me, that’s cool, and I let it go after voicing my thoughts. All you do when you continually try to draw comparisons and the perceived ‘double standard’ is further enforce the way most people already view you.

I’m out.

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am lean enough to look the way I want to look. [/quote]

While I’m 100% certain that most people on here would agree with training for your own individual goals, I have a hard time believing that anyone who truly likes how they look, despite other people not being fans, would be bothered to the point where the majority of their posts inevitably turn towards trying to get others to see things differently and constantly pat them on the back for a job well done.

(longest run-on sentence ever?)

S
[/quote]

This post makes no sense. All of us are trying to reach a goal. My goal included being BIGGER than you are. I don’t need you to pat me on the back for a job well done. I keep asking questions because trying to act like someone who built that much muscle HASN’T done something significant is disingenuous and against what many of us should be for.

I am not insulting YOUR progress…nor do I rant constantly that you didn’t get as big as my goal is…because that is YOUR goal and you did well at what YOU wanted to do.

It is a very strange act to try to constantly whine that I think too highly of myself. I simply know what I did…which was build more muscle than most of the people trying so hard to get me to see how poorly I did.[/quote]

I never insulted your progress, I simply pointed out that for all your claims of not caring about what other think of your goals, progress, or methods you spend the majority of your 50 zillion posts on here arguing with people who see things differently rather than simply saying “okay, I think differently, but whatever”. Also, your constant need to talk about how people your size (I love that characterization by the way) have to do things differently, or people with goals to be ‘really big’ have to blah blah blah… all little ways of trying to position yourself above the average, or even accomplished people on here. All in all, it’s kind of disrespectful, self serving in a sad ego satisfying manner and generally off putting, hence the usual fall out once you enter a thread.

That’s all I’ve got. I have better things to do than bump heads with some guy online. And for the record, I know it’s not a personality contest as you keep pointing out to everyone, but I certainly never came on here trying to get people to like me. I live my life doing my best to act like a well mannered, respectable person, even online. I don’t have all the answers, but I realize that I’ve managed to do reasonably well with my own goals, and if I can help people out I will. If someone disagrees with me, that’s cool, and I let it go after voicing my thoughts. All you do when you continually try to draw comparisons and the perceived ‘double standard’ is further enforce the way most people already view you.

I’m out.

S[/quote]
Typical racist non natty Zraw posse member answer.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

You know when you have taken jabs at stu and tried to throw him under the bus about his natural status (although, again, you will mince words and deny this)[/quote]

I do deny it. All I did was say that he used the same pro-hormone at the same time I did but competes as natural…because of all of the people saying my gains don’t matter because I am “unnatural”.

I haven’t written anything here as juvenile as “nananananana”.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I never insulted your progress, I simply pointed out that for all your claims of not caring about what other think of your goals, progress, or methods you spend the majority of your 50 zillion posts on here arguing with people who see things differently rather than simply saying “okay, I think differently, but whatever”.[/quote]

Why aren’t you saying that to me now?

Oh, wait…you believe in something and are simply writing it…which you think I should not be able to do apparently.

[quote]

Also, your constant need to talk about how people your size (I love that characterization by the way) have to do things differently, or people with goals to be ‘really big’ have to blah blah blah… all little ways of trying to position yourself above the average, or even accomplished people on here.[/quote]

? Are you saying you don’t think someone who has a goal of being really big should approach his goal any different than someone stating they are fine at 190lbs or less?

That isn’t positioning myself above anyone specific at all. It is strange you see it that way.

[quote]
All in all, it’s kind of disrespectful, self serving in a sad ego satisfying manner and generally off putting, hence the usual fall out once you enter a thread.[/quote]

Wait…so when someone tells me I don’t know basic nutrition even though I actually studied that in school to get my DDS…you do NOT think that is insulting?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

You know when you have taken jabs at stu and tried to throw him under the bus about his natural status (although, again, you will mince words and deny this)[/quote]

I do deny it. All I did was say that he used the same pro-hormone at the same time I did but competes as natural…because of all of the people saying my gains don’t matter because I am “unnatural”.

I haven’t written anything here as juvenile as “nananananana”.[/quote]
oh ok.
If you say so :wink: :wink:
I get you professor.
You may have some of these other guys fooled but I get you.

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Hey look its the guy wanting to elevate the forums to an whole new level turning yet another thread into the same shit

Talk about elevating things up and not completely derailing shit

This is getting old

How many of your last 1K post actually discussed bodybuilding or even just getting big

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Like talking to a brick wall…

Plenty of people can be “bigger” than someone else. Acting like you are so much bigger than stu because he is a small 195ish and you are a huge monster at 250 is the type of thing people have a problem with. Obviously you weigh more and take up more space. But you just refuse to acknowledge that you carry significantly more fat than him. If stu “bulked” up to your bodyfat percent I’m sure he would seem much bigger(if px, read more muscular) too.

And this statement makes me laugh a little bit:

“That’s why I got a caliper reading so there would be no guess work”

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[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
Like talking to a brick wall…

Plenty of people can be “bigger” than someone else. Acting like you are so much bigger than stu because he is a small 195ish and you are a huge monster at 250 is the type of thing people have a problem with. Obviously you weigh more and take up more space. But you just refuse to acknowledge that you carry significantly more fat than him. If stu “billed” up to your bodyfat percent I’m sure he would seem much bigger(if px, read more muscular) too.

And this statement makes me laugh a little bit:

“That’s why I got a caliper reading so there would be no guess work”[/quote]

Wow. I didn’t say “so much bigger”…I said bigger…which I am…and my lean body mass would state as well.

You said I don’t acknowledge I am carrying more body fat.

Response: I don’t know how much fat Stu is carrying now and don’t care but I am well aware that I may be carrying more fat than he is. You were incorrect to think otherwise.