Celebrations in Gaza

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.

Egypt builds walls around them. Should they be murdering Egyptians?[/quote]

Egypt never oppressed or stole their land.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.

The check points would have no reason to exist if it were not for suicide attacks on Israeli civilians.

Palestinians do not discriminate when they teach their children that Israelis are dogs and pigs?

As long as there are attacks on Israeli civilians then the killing of Palestinians is also justifiable.[/quote]

Then it will continue to go back and forth forever and ever.

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[quote]Phate89 wrote:

Egypt never oppressed or stole their land.[/quote]

Expect for when they occupied the Palestinians in the Gaza strip with military force…

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[quote]Phate89 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.

Egypt builds walls around them. Should they be murdering Egyptians?

Egypt never oppressed or stole their land.[/quote]

lol

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[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

This is not the same.

Dismissing anything that comes from wikipedia is a genetic fallacy.

PROVING that you sound like a nazi by quoting nazis making the same comparisons as you do is not a genetic fallacy.

When wiki is not a reliable source for non-scientific debate, and has already been proven as such, there is no fallacy. It is dismissing drivel.

“I sound like a nazi, therefore I am one” is nothing but pure genetic fallacy.

What part of the debate centers around nazi’s in the first place?

You used #26 to do a #1.

Now - go learn the numbers, then maybe take the rest of the day off. You are not even in the ballpark today.

As long as we have established that you use the same rhetoric and reasoning as Nazis in propaganda speeches I concur that this does not automatically make you a Nazi.

Just as an animal that walks like a duck and talks like a talk could be something eerily duck-like, but not quite a duck.

“We” have not established shit. You used a fallacy to get to another.

Just because I refer to a group of murderous, nomadic, terrorists bent on the destruction of Israel as vermin does not make me a nazi. It makes me extremely pro-Israel.

But you just can’t wrap your tiny little pea-sized brain around that notion, so you have to resort to multiple fallacies.

Seriously - just stop embarrassing yourself.

Hey I´ll grant you even that.

You are a pro-Israel American using the same rhetoric and reasoning the Nazis used in their propaganda speeches.

And, as I conceded that does not make you a Nazi.

It makes you someone who argues like one for a similar outcome.

Would you prefer Nazi-esque?

Para- Nazi? Quasi- Nazi? Nazi-phil, or Philonazi?
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Nice tangent. Please continue with your strawman by yourself. Preferably somewhere else.

You have yet to answer the question what your nazi fascination has to do with this thread. I suspect because you know your straw man is a bunch of shit, and there is no connection with your preoccupation and anything in this thread.

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I’m seeing a lot of the same Jew hatred, paranoia, and Arab supremacism on this thread as I see in the writings of a certain man who lived about 1500 years ago.

It’s funny, when we infidels balk at the idea of the Muslims attempting to turn the world into an Arabist hell-hole, we’re told we’re racists. It’s like Axis powers telling the Allies that they’re racist for infringing upon their genetic supremacism.

It’s like if I were to say, “Whites are the best. I want all non-whites to live under the heel of the White man, and you’re a racist if you tell me otherwise!”

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
At some point in the very near future, the US is going to have to take the leash off Israel and allow them to do what needs to be done.

Hamas is like a fucking kid kicking the fence that confines a pitbull.

I hope Israel shows no mercy. [/quote]

Then what? Will you take to the streets and celebrate?

Take off the leash? Who are you kidding? The leash came off decades ago.

Is anyone looking for an exit here? Or is everybody trying to get in deeper shit?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Israel should have killed more “innocents”. [/quote]

You are a racist piece of shit.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
If the whole world cared, why wouldn’t Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, ect build settlements in their countries for these people and give them places to live?
[/quote]

Lebanon has several refugee camps for Palestinians, and has done a lot to aid them in the past. The country is tiny and broke however so there is a limit to what we can do.

Also, as I’ve mentioned several times in this forum all in the countries we’re discussing though the League of Arab Nations is pushing for a peaceful resolution to the conflict, trying to end it with negotiation instead of violence.

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[quote]will to power wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Israel should have killed more “innocents”.

You are a racist piece of shit.
[/quote]

No. I am not.

Notice the quotation marks. Learn to read other posts before making such a bullshit charge.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
rainjack wrote:
At some point in the very near future, the US is going to have to take the leash off Israel and allow them to do what needs to be done.

Hamas is like a fucking kid kicking the fence that confines a pitbull.

I hope Israel shows no mercy.

Then what? Will you take to the streets and celebrate?

Take off the leash? Who are you kidding? The leash came off decades ago.

Is anyone looking for an exit here? Or is everybody trying to get in deeper shit?[/quote]

Exit from what? There is no peaceful solution to this.

I don’t celebrate war until it is over.

If you think for a second Israel is unleashed, you need to quit drinking the bong water.

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[quote]will to power wrote:
Also, as I’ve mentioned several times in this forum all in the countries we’re discussing though the League of Arab Nations is pushing for a peaceful resolution to the conflict, trying to end it with negotiation instead of violence. [/quote]

Bullshit. Peace will only come when the Jew is driven from Israel, and the country is dismantled.

There is nothing the League of Arab Nations can do in this situation that will lead to peace.

My God - You guys have been attacking Israel since at least 1967. Don’t tell me the Arabs want a non-violent end to this.

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[quote]Phate89 wrote:

Then it will continue to go back and forth forever and ever.
[/quote]

Yes, unless the Palestinians get their heads out of their ass and decide to create a nation instead of putting all of their energies into destroying Israel.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
will to power wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Israel should have killed more “innocents”.

You are a racist piece of shit.

No. I am not.

Notice the quotation marks. Learn to read other posts before making such a bullshit charge. [/quote]

I noticed, and I read them. You are referring to the Palestinian women and children. ‘There’s no such thing as an innocent Palestinian’ you said.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Bullshit. Peace will only come when the Jew is driven from Israel, and the country is dismantled.

There is nothing the League of Arab Nations can do in this situation that will lead to peace.

My God - You guys have been attacking Israel since at least 1967. Don’t tell me the Arabs want a non-violent end to this.
[/quote]

We’re talking about a different generation, in which key players have lost all taste for war [Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan], others have grown weary of it [Lebanon], and there’s Syria that has realised it can only get the Golan back peacefully.

I can accept that it might not lead to peace, but if I was in any position to do so I would be pushing for it as much as I can instead of calling for more violence as the solution.

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[quote]will to power wrote:
Lebanon has several refugee camps for Palestinians, and has done a lot to aid them in the past. The country is tiny and broke however so there is a limit to what we can do.

Also, as I’ve mentioned several times in this forum all in the countries we’re discussing though the League of Arab Nations is pushing for a peaceful resolution to the conflict, trying to end it with negotiation instead of violence. [/quote]

I’m not talking about crowded refugee camps where they can get guns, rockets ect and keep their anti-Zionist propaganda going. I am talking about settlements to bring their standard of living up. Maybe not Lebanon, who housed the PLO and now Hezbollah, but what about all the other countries mentioned? The UAE can make fake islands in the Mediterranean, but won’t help create adequate housing for Palestinians?

It’s like TBolt said, they have to keep them down to further their hate propaganda.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I’m not talking about crowded refugee camps where they can get guns, rockets ect and keep their anti-Zionist propaganda going. I am talking about settlements to bring their standard of living up. Maybe not Lebanon, who housed the PLO and now Hezbollah, but what about all the other countries mentioned? The UAE can make fake islands in the Mediterranean, but won’t help create adequate housing for Palestinians?

It’s like TBolt said, they have to keep them down to further their hate propaganda.[/quote]

I won’t argue that the other countries administration aren’t assholes for not helping.

Incidentally, I’m aware of the conditions at the refugee camps. How much money do you think a war ravaged, broke country of 4 million has to aid others?

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[quote]will to power wrote:
rainjack wrote:
will to power wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Israel should have killed more “innocents”.

You are a racist piece of shit.

No. I am not.

Notice the quotation marks. Learn to read other posts before making such a bullshit charge.

I noticed, and I read them. You are referring to the Palestinian women and children. ‘There’s no such thing as an innocent Palestinian’ you said.

rainjack wrote:
Bullshit. Peace will only come when the Jew is driven from Israel, and the country is dismantled.

There is nothing the League of Arab Nations can do in this situation that will lead to peace.

My God - You guys have been attacking Israel since at least 1967. Don’t tell me the Arabs want a non-violent end to this.

We’re talking about a different generation, in which key players have lost all taste for war [Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan], others have grown weary of it [Lebanon], and there’s Syria that has realised it can only get the Golan back peacefully.

I can accept that it might not lead to peace, but if I was in any position to do so I would be pushing for it as much as I can instead of calling for more violence as the solution.[/quote]

You are woefully misguided. Saudi’s are still bankrolling terror. Syria is funding hamas, and is a revolving door for insurgants into Iraq. Please. Don’t insult my intelligence with the feel good, “let’s all get along” bullshit.

Why is your outrage so one sided? I didn’t see you on here decrying what hamas did to Israeli students the other day.

Is it only racist when one dislikes the enemies of Israel?

Be honest. You don’t give a shit about dead Israelis anymore than I give a shit about dead palestinians.

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[quote]will to power wrote:
Incidentally, I’m aware of the conditions at the refugee camps. How much money do you think a war ravaged, broke country of 4 million has to aid others? [/quote]

What country are you talking about? UAE seems to be a wealthy country, how about some islamic charity instead of using your cash to buy arms and rockets. Instead of exporting Jihad, maybe some of the oil rich nations could get together and spend some cash to make some primo settlements for the Palestinians.

You know, make something from nothing, sort of like the Israelis did.

And I’m not busting on muslims. The world could get together and send these people aid. That is if they proved they are more than just a nest of terrorists.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
What country are you talking about? UAE seems to be a wealthy country, how about some islamic charity instead of using your cash to buy arms and rockets. Instead of exporting Jihad, maybe some of the oil rich nations could get together and spend some cash to make some primo settlements for the Palestinians. You know, make something from nothing, sort of like the Israelis did.

And I’m not busting on muslims. The world could get together and send these people aid. That is if they proved they are more than just a nest of terrorists. [/quote]

Not gonna happen. Those elites are too busy buying yachts and funding foreign discriminatory Ivy-league schools to give a rat’s ass about Palestinians. The people on the other hand care very much, and would really like to see a peaceful “Isralestine”.

But even if the people had sovereignty, I suspect they’ll start by working on their own countries before thinking about the Palestinians. Much of the Arab world is many decades (in some cases centuries) behind the times.

I was bitching about the Facebook affair the other day, when one of my compatriots rebukes “Who cares about one innocent in jail? What about Gaza?”. I felt like slapping him. You can’t go around demanding freedom for others when you don’t even have it at home, I replied. Shit, we have majorities who can’t even read or write!

Plus, sending Palestinians food or money is only turning them into an assisted body who can’t function without the help of others.

And I have no delusions. The conflict has no solution now. It could have been fixed at the early stage, but now, it’s useless. They’ll continue to kill each other (at very different rates), and sooner or later, the Arab Israelis will constitute the majority. It’ll get really really ugly that day. Of course, the Knesset might wake up and and strip them of some rights before it’s too late.

By the way, how many Polish Jews do you think will go back home now?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You are woefully misguided. Saudi’s are still bankrolling terror. Syria is funding hamas, and is a revolving door for insurgants into Iraq. Please. Don’t insult my intelligence with the feel good, “let’s all get along” bullshit.
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I am not a fan of the Saudi’s, you’ll get no argument there. But if peace is achieved it’ll reduce the number of people who are willing to be recruited for terrorist attacks. The situation may not be solved, but it will improve.

Some of us Arabs do want to ‘just get along’. I don’t care how stupid people think it is, I will always be a proponent of peace.

Do I have to express my outrage about everything? There were enough people on here holding up Israel’s side.

For the record, I was outraged, I did feel for the innocents killed, and I was pissed off as well that this just makes things worse for the Palestinians whether they realise it or not.

I can see innocents even among my enemies.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
will to power wrote:
Incidentally, I’m aware of the conditions at the refugee camps. How much money do you think a war ravaged, broke country of 4 million has to aid others?

What country are you talking about? UAE seems to be a wealthy country, how about some islamic charity instead of using your cash to buy arms and rockets. Instead of exporting Jihad, maybe some of the oil rich nations could get together and spend some cash to make some primo settlements for the Palestinians. You know, make something from nothing, sort of like the Israelis did.

And I’m not busting on muslims. The world could get together and send these people aid. That is if they proved they are more than just a nest of terrorists. [/quote]

I’m talking about Lebanon. Being Lebanese, I feel a need to defend my country’s name.

I assure you, I feel more outrage towards most Arab governments than you. As lixy said, the populace in these countries has a different opinion than the governments, and often push for aid sent to Palestine which is why a little is sometimes sent [then mostly stolen by the corrupt government in Palestine… but I digress].