Celebrations in Gaza

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Phate, name an attack on Palestinians that was not precipitated by an attack on Israel.

The original taking of their land by Zionists?

It is not as if the first generation of Israelis did not openly admit that.

�??If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?�??

David Ben-Gurion

(Polish born Israeli Statesman and Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63). Chief architect of the state of Israel and revered as Father of the Nation, 1886-1973)

Israel too k nothing. It was given to them by the British.

Learn to be relevant, dickweed. You are nothing more than another lixy.

The Israelis most certainly did take Arab land, and Israeli atrocities helped drive the Palestinians out in the first place. The Ben-Gurion quote above is genuine. [/quote]

RJ didn’t question the genuineness of the quote. He questioned how much the father of the state of Israel knew about the conflict.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:

Pretty much nothing but shit

I don’t give a fuck what you think I am. I mean, coming from a pro-terrorist, anti-US piece of shit like you - I would be insulted if you agreed with anything I had to say.

Oh…citing wiki is a sure sign you have nothing to say.

I am sure that won’t stop you from clinging to it, however.

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You think and talk like a Nazi.

See quotes above.

I can post the corresponding Hitler and Göring speaches if you need them.

Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

PS:

“If I can send the flower of the German nation into the hell of war without the smallest pity for the spilling of precious German blood, then surely I have the right to remove millions of an inferior race that breeds like vermin.”

Adolf Hitler

Speeches by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler before senior SS officers in Poznan, October 4 and 6, 1943.
Trials of War Criminals Before the Nuernberg Military Tribunals - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1949-1953, Vol. XIII, p. 323, and Himmler, Reichsfuehrer-SS - P. Padfield, Henry Holt and Co, NY, 1990, p. 469:

I mean the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race. It’s one of those things it is easy to talk about, “the Jewish race is being exterminated”, says one party member, “that’s quite clear, it’s in our program, elimination of the Jews, and we’re doing it, exterminating them”. And then they come, 80 million worthy Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. Of course the others are vermin, but this one is an A-1 Jew. Not one of those who talk this way has watched it, not one of them has gone through it. Most of you know what it means when 100 corpses are lying side by side, or 500, or 1,000. To have stuck it out and at the same time - apart from exceptions caused by human weakness - to have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard. This is a page of glory in our history which has never been written and is never to be written.

I ask of you that what I say in this circle you really only hear and never speak of. We come to the question: how is it with the women and the children? I have resolved even here on a completely clear solution. That is to say I do not consider myself justified in eradicating the men - so to speak killing or ordering them killed - and allowing the avengers in the shape of the children to grow up for our sons and grandsons. The difficult decision has to be taken, to cause this Volk [people] to disappear from the earth.

[This speech was recorded; the magnetic tapes are in the National Archives in Washington, DC]

Speech by Reichsfuehrer-SS Himmler at Kharkow, April 1943.
Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 572-574:

We have - I would say, as very consistent National Socialists, taken the question of blood as our starting point. We were the first really to solve the problem of blood by action, and in this connection, by problem of blood, we of course do not mean antisemitism. Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Phate, name an attack on Palestinians that was not precipitated by an attack on Israel.

The original taking of their land by Zionists?

It is not as if the first generation of Israelis did not openly admit that.

�??If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?�??

David Ben-Gurion

(Polish born Israeli Statesman and Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63). Chief architect of the state of Israel and revered as Father of the Nation, 1886-1973)

Israel too k nothing. It was given to them by the British.

Learn to be relevant, dickweed. You are nothing more than another lixy. [/quote]

I am posting a quote of the father of modern Israel that states that they took the Palestinians land and yet this is not relevant?

???

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Phate, name an attack on Palestinians that was not precipitated by an attack on Israel.

The original taking of their land by Zionists?

It is not as if the first generation of Israelis did not openly admit that.

�??If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?�??

David Ben-Gurion

(Polish born Israeli Statesman and Prime Minister (1948-53, 1955-63). Chief architect of the state of Israel and revered as Father of the Nation, 1886-1973)

Israel too k nothing. It was given to them by the British.

Learn to be relevant, dickweed. You are nothing more than another lixy.

I am posting a quote of the father of modern Israel that states that they took the Palestinians land and yet this is not relevant?

???

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Took - as in received and occupied. There was no Israeli-Arab war in the 1940’s like you want it to sound like.

I will agree that they took land by their own force in 1967.

But what does it matter? The Palestinians are the Gypsies of the ME. No one cares if they have a homeland, except maybe the palestinians.

Anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that Iran, Syria, SA, et al are using them as a reason to attack Israel.

I don’t disagree with what Ben-Gurion is saying. I only wished that everyone clamoring for peace would understand that there will never be a peace agreement that works short of one side destroying the other.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
But what does it matter? The Palestinians are the Gypsies of the ME. No one cares if they have a homeland, except maybe the palestinians. [/quote]

The whole world cares. Look for yourself:

[quote]orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.
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#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But what does it matter? The Palestinians are the Gypsies of the ME. No one cares if they have a homeland, except maybe the palestinians.

The whole world cares. Look for yourself:

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Sorry - wiki is no source.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

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This is not the same.

Dismissing anything that comes from wikipedia is a genetic fallacy.

PROVING that you sound like a nazi by quoting nazis making the same comparisons as you do is not a genetic fallacy.

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

This is not the same.

Dismissing anything that comes from wikipedia is a genetic fallacy.

PROVING that you sound like a nazi by quoting nazis making the same comparisons as you do is not a genetic fallacy.

[/quote]

When wiki is not a reliable source for non-scientific debate, and has already been proven as such, there is no fallacy. It is dismissing drivel.

“I sound like a nazi, therefore I am one” is nothing but pure genetic fallacy.

What part of the debate centers around nazi’s in the first place?

You used #26 to do a #1.

Now - go learn the numbers, then maybe take the rest of the day off. You are not even in the ballpark today.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.[/quote]

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
I feel no pity.
Zionists kill palestinian women and children, only fair to pay it back.

You are scum.[/quote]

I have seen your anti-arab posts and threads, call me what you will, imo you are scum.

Your avatar is real cute too by the way, really shows your jingoism.

As for the person that said Israel was still on a leash during Lebanon, Ha. They were completely off the leash, they just got their ass fucking owned against an enemy that was prepared in their homeland. All Israel managed to do was kill 1000 innocent civilians while Hezbollah atleast killed Israeli soldiers.
Guerrila warfare FTW…

[quote]Phate89 wrote:
As for the person that said Israel was still on a leash during Lebanon, Ha. They were completely off the leash, they just got their ass fucking owned against an enemy that was prepared in their homeland. All Israel managed to do was kill 1000 innocent civilians while Hezbollah atleast killed Israeli soldiers.
Guerrila warfare FTW…
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I am assuming you are just a kid, because anyone that was alive in the early 70’s knows you are talking out of your ass. Hell - even our resident terrorist, lixy, knows Israel is not to be fucked with militarily.

Israel has not been unleashed since 1973.

Israel should have killed more “innocents”. Ask Syria if they want to fuck with Israel again. That’s why they fund hezbolah.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

This is not the same.

Dismissing anything that comes from wikipedia is a genetic fallacy.

PROVING that you sound like a nazi by quoting nazis making the same comparisons as you do is not a genetic fallacy.

When wiki is not a reliable source for non-scientific debate, and has already been proven as such, there is no fallacy. It is dismissing drivel.

“I sound like a nazi, therefore I am one” is nothing but pure genetic fallacy.

What part of the debate centers around nazi’s in the first place?

You used #26 to do a #1.

Now - go learn the numbers, then maybe take the rest of the day off. You are not even in the ballpark today.

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As long as we have established that you use the same rhetoric and reasoning as Nazis in propaganda speeches I concur that this does not automatically make you a Nazi.

Just as an animal that walks like a duck and talks like a talk could be something eerily duck-like, but not quite a duck.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
As for the person that said Israel was still on a leash during Lebanon, Ha. They were completely off the leash, they just got their ass fucking owned against an enemy that was prepared in their homeland. All Israel managed to do was kill 1000 innocent civilians while Hezbollah atleast killed Israeli soldiers.
Guerrila warfare FTW…

I am assuming you are just a kid, because anyone that was alive in the early 70’s knows you are talking out of your ass. Hell - even our resident terrorist, lixy, knows Israel is not to be fucked with militarily.

Israel has not been unleashed since 1973.

Israel should have killed more “innocents”. Ask Syria if they want to fuck with Israel again. That’s why they fund hezbolah.

[/quote]

“Israel should have killed more innocents”
Comments like that that make me feel no pity when zionists are killed!

Keep crying you big baby, Israel isn’t shit without American’s weapons and money.

[quote]Phate89 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Phate89 wrote:
I feel no pity.
Zionists kill palestinian women and children, only fair to pay it back.

You are scum.

I have seen your anti-arab posts and threads, call me what you will, imo you are scum.

Your avatar is real cute too by the way, really shows your jingoism.

As for the person that said Israel was still on a leash during Lebanon, Ha. They were completely off the leash, they just got their ass fucking owned against an enemy that was prepared in their homeland. All Israel managed to do was kill 1000 innocent civilians while Hezbollah atleast killed Israeli soldiers.
Guerrila warfare FTW…
[/quote]

By “Guerrila warefare” you mean hiding among and behind women and children during the fighting correct? Substitute “muslim” for “Guerrila” warefare, and you are on to something. They are pretty good at using their “holy” mosques as a place to fight from as well. Very impressive.

There is no group more adept than muslims at using their families (or other innocents) as shields in warfare, then bitching to Reuters & the Arab media about their civillian casualties.

[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
But what does it matter? The Palestinians are the Gypsies of the ME. No one cares if they have a homeland, except maybe the palestinians.

The whole world cares. Look for yourself:

If the whole world does not care. They want to keep this conflict going because both sides are gaining something from it. The Israelis have part of Palestine. They are constantly building settlements in what was once wasteland.

If the whole world cared, why wouldn’t Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, ect build settlements in their countries for these people and give them places to live?

You guys complain about the economic poverty of the Palestinians, yet, Israel gave back the Gaza strip, and what happened there? Warfare between 2 rival groups and warfare with Israel.

I do not see any effort on the part of the Palestinians or the world to build up the Gaza area and lift the Palestinians out of poverty. Or in any part of the Palestinian territories for that matter.

Maybe if the Palestinians stopped bitching about Israel, stopped attacking Israel and began building A NATION instead of a terror state, they would get out of their economic poverty.

[quote]Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.[/quote]

The check points would have no reason to exist if it were not for suicide attacks on Israeli civilians.

Palestinians do not discriminate when they teach their children that Israelis are dogs and pigs?

As long as there are attacks on Israeli civilians then the killing of Palestinians is also justifiable.

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Plus, you used fallacy number 24 (genetic fallacy) and , your personal favorite, good old number 32 (ad hominem).

Since your whole “argument” is a string of fallacies, technically, you made no argument at all.

#32 is personal attack -not ad hominem - which a I freely admit to.

#24 is not Genetic Fallacy, it is False Dilema.

You are the one who is a master of your favorite: #1. And how can you accuseme of Genetic fallacy, when your little Nazi bullshit is the same fucking example they give for #26?

Are you really this stupid, or can you just not fucking read? (#32)

Here’s the link again: Fallacies - Nizkor

Please try harder. You are particularly pathetic today.

This is not the same.

Dismissing anything that comes from wikipedia is a genetic fallacy.

PROVING that you sound like a nazi by quoting nazis making the same comparisons as you do is not a genetic fallacy.

When wiki is not a reliable source for non-scientific debate, and has already been proven as such, there is no fallacy. It is dismissing drivel.

“I sound like a nazi, therefore I am one” is nothing but pure genetic fallacy.

What part of the debate centers around nazi’s in the first place?

You used #26 to do a #1.

Now - go learn the numbers, then maybe take the rest of the day off. You are not even in the ballpark today.

As long as we have established that you use the same rhetoric and reasoning as Nazis in propaganda speeches I concur that this does not automatically make you a Nazi.

Just as an animal that walks like a duck and talks like a talk could be something eerily duck-like, but not quite a duck.

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“We” have not established shit. You used a fallacy to get to another.

Just because I refer to a group of murderous, nomadic, terrorists bent on the destruction of Israel as vermin does not make me a nazi. It makes me extremely pro-Israel.

But you just can’t wrap your tiny little pea-sized brain around that notion, so you have to resort to multiple fallacies.

Seriously - just stop embarrassing yourself.

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:

The Israelis most certainly did take Arab land, and Israeli atrocities helped drive the Palestinians out in the first place. The Ben-Gurion quote above is genuine. [/quote]

The “Palestinians” had no crisis except a manufactured one by Arab states convincing them to vacate, only to refuse them entrance into these countries. It was a scheme, plain and simple, to create a grievance against the “apes and pigs”.

As for Jewish “invasion” into precious Arab lands, Jews began buying up land long before the 1940s. Not invading with armies, swords, and gunpowder - they purchased the property from the Turkish Crown.

And, when this happened, Arab populations in the area didn’t decrease - between 1855 and 1947, the Arab population rose to 1.3 million, which is a quadrupling of its population in roughly 100 years. So much for the canard of “driving Arabs out of their land”.

And, of course, the Jews transformed a badlands into a flourishing area - so much that Arabs began moving there to take advantage of the development.

And since we are all atwitter about quotes, here is one:

How come the Zionist gang has managed to be superior to us, despite being so few? It has become superior through knowledge, through technology, and through strength. It has become superior to us through work. We had the desert before our eyes but we didn’t do anything with it. When they took over, they turned it into a green oasis. How can a nation that does not work progress? How can it grow?

-Sheikh Yousuf al-Qaradhawi

This is precisely the problem. Not only do the barbarians object to the mere presence of “apes and pigs” on their “soil” - Aryans had blood rights to soil, too, that excluded the filthy Jew, recall, not unusually - Israel’s existence is a daily symbol of humiliation.

No theft, no driving people from their land.

And, of course, the “Palestine question” was submitted to the UN to be solved. Arab nations were, in fact, participating members of the UN - the same UN they now hide behind wanting relief from the “apes and pigs”. Of course, the Arab nations wanted no such political solution and instead launched a war of annihilation.

Israel is far from perfect, but enough with the politically correct revisionism. Arab nations, Palestinians - the whole lot - don’t want a political solution. They don’t want to co-exist with Israel. Israel’s existence - in large part a result of the Ottoman Empire, that last gasp of empire, being shattered - is a constant reminder of intense humiliation at the hands of sworn mortal enemies.

The Palestinian “cause” was created because the Arab nations ran out of military options after having their collective ass handed to them.

These pathetic wounds run deep in what are some very regressive societies. That isn’t Israel’s fault, though it is certainly Israel’s problem.

That said, it is quite a sniveling proposition to be responsible for creating Israel’s problem only to then complain as to how they deal with the problem you created.

[quote]Phate89 wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
So, it’s okay to kill people because of economic starvation?

Cool.

When you strangle the ability for a country to support itself by creating check points everywhere that is the reason for the extreme poverty, where a mother can’t even give birth to her child or visit a hospital because her “pass” is not up to date, when the aggressor continues to discriminate, then yes it is justified.[/quote]

Egypt builds walls around them. Should they be murdering Egyptians?