Cardio: Running 15-20 min Twice a Day?

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[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

Issue number ONE…why the fuck would someone looking to hold onto as much muscle as possible worry about running faster than this?

Is this what YOU are doing?

Issue number TWO…if you need a ton of cardio on a “recomp” you are possibly doing it wrong. If this is “damage control” and the goal is to simply drop a few pounds, I still wouldn’t rely on cardio like that. Why would you need 40+min of cardio a day for that if your diet is right?

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[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk[/quote]

Doing that on an inclined treadmill is what most of these guys are doing…either that or a stair stepper. This isn’t “intro to marathon running 101”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk[/quote]

Doing that on an inclined treadmill is what most of these guys are doing…either that or a stair stepper. This isn’t “intro to marathon running 101”.
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thats what I do as well… but there is no way in hell i would call that “running”

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk[/quote]

Doing that on an inclined treadmill is what most of these guys are doing…either that or a stair stepper. This isn’t “intro to marathon running 101”.
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thats what I do as well… but there is no way in hell i would call that “running”
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This is a bodybuilding forum. What would be the benefit of all out running AT ALL?

Fucked up knees?

Sounds great.

I am beginning to possibly understand why we don’t see tons of footage of a 300lbs Ronnie doing any marathons.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk[/quote]

Doing that on an inclined treadmill is what most of these guys are doing…either that or a stair stepper. This isn’t “intro to marathon running 101”.
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thats what I do as well… but there is no way in hell i would call that “running”
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This is a bodybuilding forum. What would be the benefit of all out running AT ALL?

Fucked up knees?

Sounds great.

I am beginning to possibly understand why we don’t see tons of footage of a 300lbs Ronnie doing any marathons.[/quote]

Where did I ever say “all out running”?

Where did I say anything about marathons?

Address the content of my post.

What I said was 4mph is in no way “running”.

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FWIW, I’ve only done one marathon, but I have competed in a couple triathlons. My knees are great.

I wasn’t trying to tell anyone to do any more than they think is necessary. It was just a comment. My bad.

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OP, if you cant do 20 min because of the boredom etc. why not try HIIT two or three times a week? thats not near as monotonous as steady state.

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Ok nevermind just saw you dont like HIIT. why not?

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

[quote]Mad HORSE wrote:
Do an out&back. Choose a point X miles away to run to that is half the distance you want to run total. By the time you get there, too bad if you’re bored 'cause it’s either run back or be stuck.

And dude, 4m/h is a 15 minute mile. You’re actually going faster than that, right?[/quote]

4mph is like standard jogging speed, whats wrong with that?[/quote]

4mph is a quick walk[/quote]

Doing that on an inclined treadmill is what most of these guys are doing…either that or a stair stepper. This isn’t “intro to marathon running 101”.
[/quote]

thats what I do as well… but there is no way in hell i would call that “running”
[/quote]

This is a bodybuilding forum. What would be the benefit of all out running AT ALL?

Fucked up knees?

Sounds great.

I am beginning to possibly understand why we don’t see tons of footage of a 300lbs Ronnie doing any marathons.[/quote]

Where did I ever say “all out running”?

Where did I say anything about marathons?

Address the content of my post.

What I said was 4mph is in no way “running”.[/quote]
Running doesn’t give you fucked up knees if you do it right and buy shoes that are fit for your foot(go to a running store and have the sales person actually see your foot). If you’re running on a daily basis with shitty Nike’s or Adidas you will have knee and shin problems eventually.

OP: you could always just hop on the elliptical. I do cardio all year round just because I like it and during the winter months I just put on a hoodie, I-pod and hop on the elliptical on off days, I feel like the elliptical gives you a better workout and it’s a better choice for the heavier guys( I don’t know how heavy you are).

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I really can’t “run” without getting a massive shin splint.

4-6 mph is fine to me, I’m not trying to outrun the skinny kids with hawt abz, I’m just wanna scare them. Of course there’s no way tell at which speed I’m going when I’m out there running in the woods, I just go at a comfortable speed and run the distance.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

Running doesn’t give you fucked up knees if you do it right and buy shoes that are fit for your foot(go to a running store and have the sales person actually see your foot). If you’re running on a daily basis with shitty Nike’s or Adidas you will have knee and shin problems
eventually. [/quote]

Body weight alone can affect this which is why your statement isn’t true. I weigh 280lbs. Do you think me running has the same effect on the sheer stress produced when running as someone who weighs 100lbs less?

My Nike’s aren’t shitty. I wear Nike Free’s more than anything because they reduced the pain I felt when running in the military.

This would be why many larger lifters don’t run and why smaller guys don’t get it.

Besides, that stair steeper is more of a workout anyway.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

Running doesn’t give you fucked up knees if you do it right and buy shoes that are fit for your foot(go to a running store and have the sales person actually see your foot). If you’re running on a daily basis with shitty Nike’s or Adidas you will have knee and shin problems
eventually. [/quote]

Body weight alone can affect this which is why your statement isn’t true. I weigh 280lbs. Do you think me running has the same effect on the sheer stress produced when running as someone who weighs 100lbs less?

My Nike’s aren’t shitty. I wear Nike Free’s more than anything because they reduced the pain I felt when running in the military.

This would be why many larger lifters don’t run and why smaller guys don’t get it.

Besides, that stair steeper is more of a workout anyway.
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I wasn’t implying that bigger guys should run instead of going on a machine, which is why I said that if you’re on the bigger side you might be better of using the elliptical or another “cardio machine”. As I said before, I don’t know how heavy the OP is which is why I threw that information out there, just food for thought.

As for shoes. Trust me man, Nike’s are a good brand BUT not for running, they are a main-stream brand that most people go to when they want to start running/exercising. It’s mostly marketing.

I used to run with Nikes all the time and eventually developed shin splints and knee pain which is why I went to a “Running store”. I can t even recall the brand of shoes I bought there but I could run a shit load of miles and not have any pain at all. It really made all the difference. I was also very small back then so even lighter guys with shitty shoes will get injured eventually.

I agree with what you said but if anyone decides to make running part of their routine: GET THE RIGHT RUNNING SHOES.

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I doubt the OP needs it, but if you gotta get in 40 minutes of cardio then you can be comforted buy the fact some huge, pro-level bodybuilders do multiple cardio sessions during their pre-contest phase. Ronnie Coleman would do 2 hours of cardio a day for some of his pre-contest prep. Short of being deep into a pre-contest phase I don’t see the need for a bodybuilder to do cardio twice a day or to be doing more than 20 minutes of cardio.

I’ll accept the chance that you’re probably not a 100% mass by any means necessary bodybuilder. Who am I to tell you that you shouldn’t run? Aleksandr Karelin was the greatest 286 pound Greco-Roman wrestler to ever live and he’d do thinks like run through waist-deep snow with a log on his back or tug on the rowing machine for hours. Kevin Levrone is around 230 natural right now and he goes on runs all the time.

Here’s a video of Stefan Havlik doing a Rowing + Biking Cardio session, then doing more cardio before moving onto a heavy ass squat session. He’s done pretty well for himself as a bodybuilder.

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[quote]optheta wrote:
So I have to do a little damage control and I realize that I just can’t run for more then 20 minutes without Gouging my fucken eyeballs out even If i have a ipod on, I just can’t handle it I get so bored.

So I was wondering how effective running twice a day for 15-20minutes would be? Like morning or Afternoon then at night after my workout. Just like jogging 4mph no HIIT running. [/quote]

How tall are you and how much do you weigh?

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
So I have to do a little damage control and I realize that I just can’t run for more then 20 minutes without Gouging my fucken eyeballs out even If i have a ipod on, I just can’t handle it I get so bored.

So I was wondering how effective running twice a day for 15-20minutes would be? Like morning or Afternoon then at night after my workout. Just like jogging 4mph no HIIT running. [/quote]

How tall are you and how much do you weigh?[/quote]

I weigh 220lbs and im 5’ 9", I just wanna lose about 15lbs get to 205 or 200 and assess it from there.

And the guy who asked why I don’t like HIIT. My biggest problem is that Im not sure if Im pushing myself hard enough and not exactly sure what kinda routine to do.

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[quote]optheta wrote:
And the guy who asked why I don’t like HIIT. My biggest problem is that Im not sure if Im pushing myself hard enough and not exactly sure what kinda routine to do.[/quote]

if you cant tell if you’re pushing hard enough or not on HIIT… then you’re definitely not pushing hard enough.

Just do some incline treadmill walking and get your diet in check. You’ll drop weight

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
And the guy who asked why I don’t like HIIT. My biggest problem is that Im not sure if Im pushing myself hard enough and not exactly sure what kinda routine to do.[/quote]

Really? how hard can it be tpo set up a HIIT routine? 1 minute sprint followed by a 1 minute walk repeated for 15-25 minutes or so.

And you might need to go a little faster than 4mph on the sprints. like gregron said, if you dont think your pushing yourself hard enough(on ANYTHING, let alone HIIT) then your not.

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[quote]optheta wrote:

I weigh 220lbs and im 5’ 9", I just wanna lose about 15lbs get to 205 or 200 and assess it from there.

And the guy who asked why I don’t like HIIT. My biggest problem is that Im not sure if Im pushing myself hard enough and not exactly sure what kinda routine to do.[/quote]

I can’t stand the monotony and boredom of walking on a treadmill either. I’m not sure where you live, but couldn’t just do a brisk walk or jog to the store instead of driving? Where I live there’s plenty of shit within walking distance so there’s always the option of walking instead of driving.

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[quote]sam_sneed wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:

I weigh 220lbs and im 5’ 9", I just wanna lose about 15lbs get to 205 or 200 and assess it from there.

And the guy who asked why I don’t like HIIT. My biggest problem is that Im not sure if Im pushing myself hard enough and not exactly sure what kinda routine to do.[/quote]

I can’t stand the monotony and boredom of walking on a treadmill either. I’m not sure where you live, but couldn’t just do a brisk walk or jog to the store instead of driving? Where I live there’s plenty of shit within walking distance so there’s always the option of walking instead of driving.
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Ya know the biggest problem I have with running outside is my Asthma acts up crazy. For instance jogging 4mph for 20minute at the Gym is somewhat taxing but overall very doable. However if I tried jogging outside I seriously can’t go 2-3minutes without needing my inhaler, it really sucks.