You STILL don’t get the premise of the post do you?
Do you need an adult to spell it out to you?
Those who agree with you are doing cardio. Those who do not agree are not doing it, and likely NEVER will. Despite your constant, boring, futile attempts to persuade them to do otherwise. All you are doing with your objectionable approach is further stiffening their resolve.
For them, resistance training ( and I’m sorry, but the overwhelming recent research DOES show that resistance training has some heart protective benefits) and some daily activity, is and will be enough.
As for weight loss…look at Ponzer’s recent research. NO activity, cardio or resistance work will trump dietary restriction or make up for a bad diet. I’m that regard Mr Baye is correct, whether you like it or not. At best, exercise is merely icing on the cake when it comes to weight loss.
Now be a good lad, and stop chunnering on. I think that I can speak for pretty much all of the board when I say that your one track record is BORINg us all, and has been for a good while now.
As for the trolling accusation that you levelled earlier…well you pretty much fit that description perfectly…
yes for sure easier to control bodyweight with diet, but weight training misses the most important CV adaptions that only LT can provide.
Oh man SGG, Drew? He’s been right about … um… wait can’t think of anything lol 
We know for sure though that an active person overall, over a day (not a lazy HIT fatass that sits around and only does ‘cardio’ for 15 minutes twice a week) but a person who is active (cardio, biking, walking, sports, etc) will for sure use up quite a bit more calories per day and be a LOT healthier (the better blood flow through arteries, which 2 super slow HIT workouts a week won’t even stimulate at all).
No one NEEDS to do intensive cardio, but regular LIT through activity causes good healthy adaptations that weight training just doesn’t stimulate.
Amen!
HITers are just lazy when it comes to cardio!
Bare minimum of cardiovascular conditioning needs!
NW Lifter…I respect your point of view ( and the way you express it, far more than I do ATP’s.
I do cardio, so I’m not actually coming at this from the other side of the fence. In fact, ironically, I probably do more cardio, and am possibly in better cardio condition than ATP…
But that is not the point. The main point is that the trenches have been dug. ATP is a boring one trick pony, who, if there was a vote to ban him from here and shove him over to letsrun, would lose. Even you must be bored of him by now?
As for designated cardio sessions…I have yet to see anyone on here state that they “only” do one or two 15 minute HIT sessions a week, and then spend the rest of the time sat on the couch, or in bed. Recent research on exercise / activity “snacks” throughout the day, show that they can be as beneficial as a single designated exercise / cardio session. Who’s to say that most, if not all on here don’t do that, or maybe keep active as part of their profession?
Pontzer’s research ( sorry missed out the t in his name previously), shows that energy expenditure does not necessarily fit the calorie in, calorie out theory, that has been dominant for many years. There is new thinking behind all this. So yes, I am no Drew Baye fan, but in terms of exercise and calorie expenditure vs calorie restriction, he may be at least partially right.
And you just keep on digging yourself a hole. Tell me how you failed to graduate from that “Persuasion 101” course. Could it have been down to your delivery perhaps? I’m pretty sure that your “unique” style on here ( trolling while accusing others of doing the same) isn’t, or has never, won you any friends.
Honestly, believe me, you will be far more popular over on letsrun…
Here is a link to the work by Pontzer. He postulated, that after a low limit, exercise does little to alter the body’s fat levels. Instead, in an effort to protect itself from over exercising / activity, the body will take calories from other important tasks, such as the immune system or energy required for reproduction…
Hey…maybe there is the problem. Atp4u needs to cut back on the cardio, and perhaps get himself some…he may become less stressed and perhaps less objectionable in the process…
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yes for sure easier to control bodyweight with diet,
Anecdotally this can be seen at any large road race. Check the mid to the back of the field…there are a lot of overweight runners.
Similarly at any set of treadmills or ellipticals at a commercial gym, there are numerous “cardio bunnies” who are under the misapprehension that their cardio sessions will drop significant lbs, while allowing them to still eat what they want.
Right, and I’m not sure who does what, but there are a few HIT gurus that state how 1 or 2 HIT sessions a week are all the cardio people need. They also put the idea out that doing anything like that between workouts only harms recovery.
My main point on all this is just trying to get people to understand there is more to ‘CV conditioning’ and health than just an elevated heart rate. That higher HR with lifting (and high back pressure) causes ‘different’ adaptations than a higher HR with no back pressure. )
Very true, exercise cannot out run a poor diet for fat loss. A smart person would use both, exercise for health and fitness and diet for weight control. If a person goes from very sedentary to active, it might change their caloric needs by a few hundred calories a day, which of course helps with fat loss for a while, but they still need to pay attention to their ‘calories’ in and their macro proportions.
The difference being…you will only say it once, maybe a few times at best…and then you will leave it be. Your knowledge and interests in this field are far more extensive than the boring one trick pony that a certain individual has become…
This is interesting…
The workout burned over 500 calories and BMR increased for 14 hours after which could significantly ‘burn’ more bodyfat, this could be equivalent to cutting daily calories by 700+ per day.
" Results: The 45-min exercise bout resulted in a net energy expenditure of 519 ± 60.9 kcal (P < 0.001). For 14 h after exercise, energy expenditure was increased 190 ± 71.4 kcal compared with the rest day (P < 0.001)."
A 45-minute vigorous exercise bout increases metabolic rate for 14 hours - PubMed (nih.gov)
And yet still only burned 1/2 the calories I could shove in my fat face in about 6 or 7 min…
I remember the late Dr Michael Moseley ( those in the UK will know who I am talking about) doing a program titled “The Truth About Exercise”.
He liked to do experiments on himself in programs like these to prove his point.
At one point in the show, he travelled to Loughborough Sports Science department.
While stood on the side of their running track he was given a typical Costa Coffee and one of their large muffins, which he ate / drank in about 5 minutes. He then set off running round the track, at a reasonable clip, not record setting pace, but not slow either. He asked, “How long will I have to keep running like this, to burn off what I’ve just eaten?”
He was told, “About an hour.”
Hardly a good return / investment, especially when you consider the possible orthopaedic outcomes from doing that on a consistent basis, continually, year in, year out.
IF we were so good at burning calories from exercise, then theoretically, the species would have died out long ago. Could you imagine the calorie costs of failed hunts / food forages by our ancestors, of which, there were probably a good few. We’d have probably starved to death en mass at certain points of the year.
well yeah anyone can ruin any fat loss strategy by stuffing their face , diet or exercise.
yep, the exercise session itself doesn’t burn a ton of calories, but when we are talking about someone who’s not an idiot so is controlling their diet, burning an extra 250-700 calories a day is better than not burning it at all. (not to mention the health and fitness improvements that also are had from exercise).
and just for practicality, most people drop their caloric intake by about 500 for a slow loss (projected 1 lb a week at first), and that’s about the same amount that 30 minutes of exercise would also accomplish (the exercise + the post workout increase in BMR).
I hope no one is dumb enough to think a person can eat anything and any amount they want, ride an exercise bike for 20 minutes and still lose fat.
Just found out that athletes who are involved in running, rowing, cycling, and swimming have the largest left ventricle dimensions and athletes from more static events, such as weightlifting and wrestling, have the smallest left ventricle dimensions, but the thickest heart walls, which would indicate decreased blood vessel compliance. If one wants to develop their cardio-vascular system, and increase your VO2max, you absolutely have to perform traditional cardiovascular exercise.
for sure, people who take something good and over-do it. Pushing their HR into the max zone for extended periods long term not a good thing.
Proper cardiovascular conditioning consists of long intervals of high cardiac output, high heart rate, high stroke volume, and only a moderate increase in the mean arterial blood pressure. There is a substantial volume load on the left ventricle during proper cardiovascular conditioning and, consequently, a cardio-heart needs to adapt to this type of load. The net effect on the heart is an increase in the internal diameter of the left ventricle and, to a lesser extent, heart wall thickness referred to as eccentric hypertrophy remodeling.