I don’t even know what abercrombie is. Some kind of fashion?
But if a beginner says he’s at 17% bodyfat in spite of his training, several things are wrong.
If you cannot see that, you shouldn’t give out advice, probably.
A beginner shouldn’t be obsessed with bf at all, but he should see in which direction his body composition should go. He should see when gaining more fat might be a bad choice.
This guy stated he doesn’t want gain more fat, which is only natural, considering for instance, he wants to get laid occasionally.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I don’t even know what abercrombie is. Some kind of fashion?
But if a beginner says he’s at 17% bodyfat in spite of his training, several things are wrong.
If you cannot see that, you shouldn’t give out advice, probably.[/quote]
i row 6 days a week and i went from a lightweight 130lbs rower to 143 lbs still light weight rower in 5 weeks when i increased my food intake and i still maintain 10%bf. i using a 5X5 training programme. so yes u can do 2 -3 sessions a week and gain.
Let’s say I have to stay in decent shape for my major because we have to do jogging for Kinesiology so what if I jogged on everyday except for ones with weights, before leg day, and Sunday? So in other words two times a week just to stay in alright shape.
[quote]APLASTICSPOON wrote:
Let’s say I have to stay in decent shape for my major because we have to do jogging for Kinesiology so what if I jogged on everyday except for ones with weights, before leg day, and Sunday? So in other words two times a week just to stay in alright shape.[/quote]
I hope my sarcasm detector is on the fritz…
Did you read the 20 posts above this one? In one word, yes.
However, if you find that 2 jogs a week isn’t enough, you could simply GASP add an extra day of jogging!!
guess my post didnt’ go through. summary: i’m an intermediate. need to get to 181 with less bodyfat so i can have most potential in a meet. also, going to stick to loner cardio 2-3x a week 20mins each, at slow jogging pace? time disallows organized sports.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
I think you are going on a false pretense, that cardio loses fat directly.
You could just cut the extra food if it is adding too much fat.
Why eat it and then have to work it off?[/quote]
how is the pretense incorrect? i know you can lose muscle, but light cardio should be fine, a plus for health too!
Steady state cardio is not going to make you waste away to nothing. As long as it’s not hours on end, you can hit the Gflux sweet spot as others have mentioned. It might even be possible to add MORE muscle by consuming MORE calories and doing MORE cardio. Again, not hours and hours here. 10-20 mins a few times a week is really all it takes.
I wish there was a comparison between a hard lifting session, an HIIT cardio session and a SS cardio session with regards to degree of impact on insulin sensitivity and nutrient partitioning. I would certainly show SS cardio as not being totally worthless and perhaps even beneficial during a ‘bulk.’
zraw, care to share?
ponce, link please, just out of curiosity.
today was my cardio. i didn’t do it
i was paiunfully sore throughout the day, which i did not expect, in the legs. haven’t free squatted in a long time and 5x5 owned me on monday. walking down the stairs was almost dangerous and just walking around looked like i was creeping around with a boner the size of california in basketball shorts.
am i supposed to just work through this and run? how else can i deal with this?
i may have to read/understand the gflux crap. i saw it a few weeks ago and figured it was unseemly.
[quote]kickureface wrote:
zraw, care to share?
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Low intensity cardio is part of the protocol we both use for size gains.
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am i supposed to just work through this and run? how else can i deal with this?.[/quote]
Why run? Just do low intensity(ie 3.5 mph on a moderate incline) cardio to help with the fat gain and improve recovery… running might hinder it further.
instinct tells me that after sleeping, the body is fasting and exercising will further a catabolic state. where am i wrong?
while the premise is that before breakfast (no food) will keep fat in check, is doing it any other time drastically ineffective?
i thought low intensity cardio meant light jog :P. i guess fast walk is enough.
[quote]kickureface wrote:
zraw, care to share?
ponce, link please, just out of curiosity.
today was my cardio. i didn’t do it
i was paiunfully sore throughout the day, which i did not expect, in the legs. haven’t free squatted in a long time and 5x5 owned me on monday. walking down the stairs was almost dangerous and just walking around looked like i was creeping around with a boner the size of california in basketball shorts.
am i supposed to just work through this and run? how else can i deal with this?
i may have to read/understand the gflux crap. i saw it a few weeks ago and figured it was unseemly.[/quote]
Analogy #5. My original question before the edit was about BCAA use causing an insulin spike that could potentially interfere with intended lypolysis.
[quote]kickureface wrote:
instinct tells me that after sleeping, the body is fasting and exercising will further a catabolic state. where am i wrong?
while the premise is that before breakfast (no food) will keep fat in check, is doing it any other time drastically ineffective?
i thought low intensity cardio meant light jog :P. i guess fast walk is enough.
thanks everyone for input[/quote]
If the human body broke down any significant muscle mass because you went on a walk for 30 minutes before you ate a full meal we would have probably never survived as a species.
I would still have someone take 5-10 g BCAA or 1/2 scoop zero carb zero fat protein shortly before the cardio as well as whatever supplements they use. Green Tea extract, 7 keto-dhea, mild fat burner etc.
Other times aren’t drastically different but I believe less effective, PWO(before your shake) and pre bed would be the other two times I would suggest trying to fit it in if you feel strongly against morning cardio.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
kickureface wrote:
instinct tells me that after sleeping, the body is fasting and exercising will further a catabolic state. where am i wrong?
while the premise is that before breakfast (no food) will keep fat in check, is doing it any other time drastically ineffective?
i thought low intensity cardio meant light jog :P. i guess fast walk is enough.
thanks everyone for input
If the human body broke down any significant muscle mass because you went on a walk for 30 minutes before you ate a full meal we would have probably never survived as a species.
I would still have someone take 5-10 g BCAA or 1/2 scoop zero carb zero fat protein shortly before the cardio as well as whatever supplements they use. Green Tea extract, 7 keto-dhea, mild fat burner etc.
Other times aren’t drastically different but I believe less effective, PWO(before your shake) and pre bed would be the other two times I would suggest trying to fit it in if you feel strongly against morning cardio.[/quote]
Why the protein and BCAA’s before morning cardio? I always thought that doing so would teach your body to use proteins for energy. I believe Tribulus was one who advocated for taking in a little fat before morning cardio for the same reason you would not want to take in protein.
Tiribulus has some thoughts on the subject, I’m just putting out there what has worked for many a bodybuilder in the past. You don’t see guys losing massive amounts of muscle doing this ever despite what some articles on here want to say. You can take nothing before if you choose but that’s the recommendation I’ve seen from people I trust and it has worked fine for me.
I’m of the impression that your body will preferentially feed off your remaining glycogen stores and dip into fat well before they digest that protein you JUST ingested 5 minutes ago.
