Carbs: Veggies/Fruits vs. Starch/Grains

I believe it is possible to give good advice without fully understanding and knowing the how and the why. It is done everything day by many different people. I also believe there are ways to help people better understand by expounding on a topic with your knowledge without casting insults.

To the OP. I am confident that if you stick to green vegetables and antioxidant rich berries you will fill your body with healthy nutrition and still be able to get more definition.

Christopher

[quote]monkey_space wrote:
I believe it is possible to give good advice without fully understanding and knowing the how and the why. It is done everything day by many different people. I also believe there are ways to help people better understand by expounding on a topic with your knowledge without casting insults.

To the OP. I am confident that if you stick to green vegetables and antioxidant rich berries you will fill your body with healthy nutrition and still be able to get more definition.

Christopher[/quote]

Thats the brass tacks of it.

V

Monkey_Space and Vegita,

Thanks for confirming what I hoped to be true. And Veg, excellent additional advice. You also wrote:

Ha…I’m planning to do this for exactly 3-4 weeks. And yes, I’ll be doing some variations of Lyle McDonald’s lactate-inducing workouts from UD 2.0, along with cardio and two days of (split) powerlifting. Should be a fun (and by fun I mean painful).

I did an extended (and somewhat misguided) 4-month gradual cut last year with excellent results, but if I’d known then what I know now, I could’ve done it in 2, maybe 2.5 months.

One more question: If I’m doing lactate-inducing circuit training workouts (which I’m dreading–they start today), is it okay to have a banana or a slice of Ezekeiel bread beforehand? I don’t know if these 2 eggs/4 egg whites will be enough to fuel the whole thing.

Thanks.

[quote]sbjones wrote:
Monkey_Space and Vegita,

Thanks for confirming what I hoped to be true. And Veg, excellent additional advice. You also wrote:

This is surely a phase diet, so you want to make sure you up your cardio and or interval training to make use of the diet as best you can. Unless you are either a very boring person, or have really strong OCD, this diet will get boring and tasteless fast, like 3-4 weeks fast…

Ha…I’m planning to do this for exactly 3-4 weeks. And yes, I’ll be doing some variations of Lyle McDonald’s lactate-inducing workouts from UD 2.0, along with cardio and two days of (split) powerlifting. Should be a fun (and by fun I mean painful).

I did an extended (and somewhat misguided) 4-month gradual cut last year with excellent results, but if I’d known then what I know now, I could’ve done it in 2, maybe 2.5 months.

One more question: If I’m doing lactate-inducing circuit training workouts (which I’m dreading–they start today), is it okay to have a banana or a slice of Ezekeiel bread beforehand? I don’t know if these 2 eggs/4 egg whites will be enough to fuel the whole thing.

Thanks.[/quote]

I would think you would burn more than what you would get from a banana and/or piece of Ezekial bread. When doing the Velocity Diet I used Surge every day I lifted. Sipped on the way to the gym and during my workout and slammed what was left with some creatine at the end of my workout. I lost 28 pounds in 28 days while retaining muscle mass.

Christopher

[quote]sbjones wrote:
Monkey_Space and Vegita,

Thanks for confirming what I hoped to be true. And Veg, excellent additional advice. You also wrote:

This is surely a phase diet, so you want to make sure you up your cardio and or interval training to make use of the diet as best you can. Unless you are either a very boring person, or have really strong OCD, this diet will get boring and tasteless fast, like 3-4 weeks fast…

Ha…I’m planning to do this for exactly 3-4 weeks. And yes, I’ll be doing some variations of Lyle McDonald’s lactate-inducing workouts from UD 2.0, along with cardio and two days of (split) powerlifting. Should be a fun (and by fun I mean painful).

I did an extended (and somewhat misguided) 4-month gradual cut last year with excellent results, but if I’d known then what I know now, I could’ve done it in 2, maybe 2.5 months.

One more question: If I’m doing lactate-inducing circuit training workouts (which I’m dreading–they start today), is it okay to have a banana or a slice of Ezekeiel bread beforehand? I don’t know if these 2 eggs/4 egg whites will be enough to fuel the whole thing.

Thanks.[/quote]

I think one of the points of dieting is that you want your body to look for fat as an energy source and use it versus using muscle. All Carbs at least all that you should be concerned with are turned into glucose and then released into the blood to be used by the body as energy. Some systems use glucose directly, such as the brain, others like muscle, need to convert the glucose into a different carbohydrate to use them. Muscles need to turn Glucose into Glycogen. This process takes a bit of time, so Eating something right before your workout, is not going to really effect your energy levels for that workout, it WILL aid in restoring your muscle glycogen stores immediately following your workout.

If you will for a minute, think of your muscles a tanks. The tanks are drained with a fire hose, and filled with a garden hose. You can empty them much quicker than you can fill them. So your meals the day before a workout have the most impact on your energy levels during your workout. Also, one of the best times to pump nutrients and carbs and protein into those tanks is the post workout window, Essentially, you get to fill the tank with a fire hose during that special window. So in reality one of the most important meals for your next workout is the one you had at the end of this one.

Now, after all you are looking for fat loss here, so lets get into that. You are taking step 1 and cutting carbs down. This is good, carbs are the easiest to use and the first energy source your body will look to. So once you are burning more calories in a day than your body is taking in during a day your body will start looking to your stores of energy to fuel important biological functions. Generally, putting your body under muscular stress is enough for people to shed large amounts of fat while in a caloric defecit. The body realizes that muscle is going to be needed for this intense muscular effort you are putting out every day and your body will prefer fat as a result. As you get lower in bodyfat, the fat will start to gain importance, as it is still a vital part of your biological system, therefore your body may cut down on the amount of fat it uses for energy. This is where advanced techniques come in to break through this natural plateu.

One way you can trick your body into using even more of the fat as energy, is to actually consume more fat. You eat fat with every meal and your body notices this and adjusts, if it has fat coming in in every meal, well then using up a little more of the fat stores is ok. This is kinda how the anabolic diet works, but you don’t have to actually do that diet to a T, just add in some extra fat to every meal, and still keep your calories in a defecit.

As an overall statement, I think you should look at your Pre/Post-workout nutrition, and your pre-bedtime meal as recovery meals. These are the times where you want to give your body the building blocks it need to make repairs and replenish depleted stores. All other meals, should be looked at as setting up the body to save muscle and use fat as a preferred energy source. There are many more tips and techniques to do this and you can achieve results doing one or multiple of them. But there are far too many for me to go into more detail here. If you read enough, you will come across them and you can then choose which methods will work best for you and your lifestyle.

V

[quote]monkey_space wrote:

I would think you would burn more than what you would get from a banana and/or piece of Ezekial bread. When doing the Velocity Diet I used Surge every day I lifted. Sipped on the way to the gym and during my workout and slammed what was left with some creatine at the end of my workout. I lost 28 pounds in 28 days while retaining muscle mass.

Christopher[/quote]

Did you get your body fat tested using a dunk tank to measure how much fat was lost?

[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
monkey_space wrote:

I would think you would burn more than what you would get from a banana and/or piece of Ezekial bread. When doing the Velocity Diet I used Surge every day I lifted. Sipped on the way to the gym and during my workout and slammed what was left with some creatine at the end of my workout. I lost 28 pounds in 28 days while retaining muscle mass.

Christopher

Did you get your body fat tested using a dunk tank to measure how much fat was lost?[/quote]

No. I took before and after pictures. I do not have hard numbers on how much body fat was lost. I do know that I lost 28 pounds and looked as though I had gained muscle. My lifts also increased over those 28 days. Small increase but increase nonetheless.

I posted a very detailed log after the first time several years ago.

Christopher

[quote]ninjaboy wrote:
Just for shits and giggles.

a + “goat” = 3 + “chicken” ------>well defined equation with a constant and 3 variables. Can’t be solved without more information, but far from incoherent.

{x = -(-x)}={-1x=-1-(-x)}={-x=-x} ------> Identity statement, completely non-subjective

a + b =c + d ---------> basic algebraic equation with 4 variables. Given the values of any three variables, the 4th can be obtained.
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damn, someone beat me too it, I had my notes out from an algebra class i taught to do something similiar to this and make sure I didnt botch something…

back to my corner…

[quote]Ratchet wrote:
ninjaboy wrote:
Just for shits and giggles.

a + “goat” = 3 + “chicken” ------>well defined equation with a constant and 3 variables. Can’t be solved without more information, but far from incoherent.

{x = -(-x)}={-1x=-1-(-x)}={-x=-x} ------> Identity statement, completely non-subjective

a + b =c + d ---------> basic algebraic equation with 4 variables. Given the values of any three variables, the 4th can be obtained.

damn, someone beat me too it, I had my notes out from an algebra class i taught to do something similiar to this and make sure I didnt botch something…

back to my corner…

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ROFL
Algebra class?
I very seriously hope you don’t mean you taught this garbage to linear algebra students.