Carbs: Veggies/Fruits vs. Starch/Grains

Diet and Nutrition
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I’m planning to cut for a few weeks with reduced calories, lactate-inducing workouts and cardio. Would switching all my carbs to fruits and veggies (as opposed to the occasional oatmeal, Ezekiel bread, & sweet potato) make a big difference, too?

Also, lots of the fat loss diets I see (UD 2.0, War Room Strategies for Fat Loss, etc.) list low carb days as below 50 grams. Even with fruits and vegetables as my only carb sources, I can’t seem to keep it below about 75. Would that be okay since I’m not eating things like oatmeal, bread, rice and potatoes?

Thanks.

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You don’t need to count fibrous vegetables as carbs, so that should put you below 50.

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Well, that’s great news! Can I also subtract the grams of fiber from fruit carbs?

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[quote]sbjones wrote:
Well, that’s great news! Can I also subtract the grams of fiber from fruit carbs?[/quote]

NO…the only exception to this is GREEN veggies. The digestible fiber found in green veggies differs from the digestible fibers in other veggies. If you are to do this I would suggest sticking to Green veggies and Berries(only if you are under 50g of carbs for the day). Berries are “lower” carb compared to other fruits.

I used “Destroying fat” and it was great highly recommend it.

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Thanks! I just stocked up on blueberries, as luck would have it.

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I agree with MUthrows94, stick to green veggies and berries. No startches.

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[quote]Rach2784 wrote:
You don’t need to count fibrous vegetables as carbs, so that should put you below 50. [/quote]

This is not true.

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[quote]MUthrows94 wrote:
sbjones wrote:
Well, that’s great news! Can I also subtract the grams of fiber from fruit carbs?

NO…the only exception to this is GREEN veggies. The digestible fiber found in green veggies differs from the digestible fibers in other veggies. If you are to do this I would suggest sticking to Green veggies and Berries(only if you are under 50g of carbs for the day). Berries are “lower” carb compared to other fruits.

I used “Destroying fat” and it was great highly recommend it.[/quote]

This is not true and mostly incoherent.

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:

This is not true and mostly incoherent.[/quote]

Which part and why?

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Carbs(Carbohydrates) are not the same as Net carbohydrates.
Fiber may or may not contribute to added “Caloric intake”.
Fiber may or may not be the soluble type.
“Green” or “Fibrous” vegetables MAY OR MAY NOT be low in Net Carbohydrates.

Negligible Carbohydrates is not the same as no carbohydrates.

MOST IMPORTANTLY…

The actual number of carbohydrates you consume is less important than the overall effect on insulin and/or glycemic load of a meal or specific food AND overall nutrient(insulin based) timing.

EDIT: The use of the word(s) and/or phrases “MOST IMPORTANTLY>>>”, “you” and “less important” are intentional and subjective.

“Overall effect” and “overall nutrient timing” are ambiguous and the paragraph in which they are contained is objectively incoherent.

My apolagies.

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Your first statement is false.

Net Carbs ARE carbs, period. They are not special, simply a resultant of subtracting fiber (soluble and/or insoluble) from the total carb amount of a food/meal.

Whether fiber is soluble or insoluble is inconsequential. Neither is absorbed by the body. Soluble fiber simply turns into a gel when it comes into contact with fluid in your intestines, mimicking the function of the mucosal lining. Soluble fiber is recommended for those with a ‘leaky gut,’ which is why bread/rice/pasta is recommended for those who come back with traveler’s diarrhea.

Please name me a “green” vegetable that is NOT low in ‘net carbs.’

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to the OP:
In short.
Just go read the last 5 years of Berardi and then Thibaudeau articles on nutrition.

ALSO, the advice given wasn’t bad advice, just came from posters who don’t really SEEM to know the WHY behind their advice and really misunderstood the “don’t count fibrous veggies” recommendations.

Sorry bout not giving any real advice, but please don’t take it the wrong way.

Go READ Thibaudeau and others and you’ll find a more complete and unfiltered(accurate) understanding of nutrition than you can from posted responses(for the most part).

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What’s wrong? Too many green veggies to choose from?

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
Your first statement is false.

Net Carbs ARE carbs, period. They are not special, simply a resultant of subtracting fiber (soluble and/or insoluble) from the total carb amount of a food/meal.
[/quote]
This is, again, totally incoherent.

This is subjective and incoherent.

[quote]
Please name me a “green” vegetable that is NOT low in ‘net carbs.’[/quote]

“Green” is ambiguous and “low” is entirely subjective.
Peas.

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If those statements are ‘incoherent’ to you it is because your reading comprehension plateaued in grade school.

If what I said regarding net carbs is so incoherent, why would YOU even acknowledge that there is a difference between carbs and ‘net carbs.’ What, then, is the difference?

They are ‘net carbs’ because they are absorbed.

There is nothing debatable about soluble fiber being WATER SOLUBLE (hence, the name). Don’t believe me? Go throw some xantham gum (soluble fiber) into a glass of water or water-based fluid. Watch what happens.

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a + “goat” = 3 + “chicken” ----->INCOHERENT

x = -(-x) ----->SUBJECTIVE

a + b = c + d ----->AMBIGUOUS

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Stop it.

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I should have been more clear to the OP. This is with regards to being in ketosis (below 50g a day). The only vegatbles that you can consume and not count carbs when trying to be in ketosis is cruciferous. All other veggies are counted.

TOO Human, the very author you are suggesting they read from is the very author who has stated clearly on here that green veggies are the only veggies who’s carbs are not counted (again this is only cruciferous). I think you should check out Thib’s forum…

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
Your first statement is false.

Net Carbs ARE carbs, period. They are not special, simply a resultant of subtracting fiber (soluble and/or insoluble) from the total carb amount of a food/meal.

This is, again, totally incoherent.

Whether fiber is soluble or insoluble is inconsequential. Neither is absorbed by the body. Soluble fiber simply turns into a gel when it comes into contact with fluid in your intestines, mimicking the function of the mucosal lining. Soluble fiber is recommended for those with a ‘leaky gut,’ which is why bread/rice/pasta is recommended for those who come back with traveler’s diarrhea.

This is subjective and incoherent.

Please name me a “green” vegetable that is NOT low in ‘net carbs.’

“Green” is ambiguous and “low” is entirely subjective.
Peas.[/quote]

I was gonna say sugar snap peas too, you could also probably add in sugar cane just for kicks.

Now while you are doing a nice job teaching ponce a lesson in sentance structure and grammer, Fibrous Green Veggies should bring a few things to peoples minds. Broccoli, Green Beans, Asparagus, Spinach, Celery.

OP Stick with those and you will attain the desired results you are looking for. Also if you really want to shred off fat, I agree with the no fruit suggestions. Berries in small amounts, like 1/2 cup per serving added to a few shakes or a few meals will be fine. Also they boost your antioxidant totals because lets face it, on a meat and green veggie diet, your gonna be low in antioxidants. This is surely a phase diet, so you want to make sure you up your cardio and or interval training to make use of the diet as best you can. Unless you are either a very boring person, or have really strong OCD, this diet will get boring and tasteless fast, like 3-4 weeks fast, and a normally dedicated person can probably get through about 6-8 weeks of it before coming off.

One way you can combat this is to give yourself a week of completely normal eating around week 6 or 7. This will boost your hormone profile back to near it’s normal state, and it will give you a much needed repreive from this type of diet. This “refeed” if you will will help you get through the plateu you are either already at, or rapidly approaching.

V

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[quote]TooHuman wrote:
a + “goat” = 3 + “chicken” ----->INCOHERENT

x = -(-x) ----->SUBJECTIVE

a + b = c + d ----->AMBIGUOUS
[/quote]

Just for shits and giggles.

a + “goat” = 3 + “chicken” ------>well defined equation with a constant and 3 variables. Can’t be solved without more information, but far from incoherent.

{x = -(-x)}={-1x=-1-(-x)}={-x=-x} ------> Identity statement, completely non-subjective

a + b =c + d ---------> basic algebraic equation with 4 variables. Given the values of any three variables, the 4th can be obtained.