You have piqued my curiosity. If you don’t swallow protein, what the hell else do you do with it?
[quote]Epimetheus wrote:
Did you even consider the fact that you quoted two people with no biological background? Your body is a homeostatic mechanism, able to synthesize and breakdown things that are ingested into what it needs. Sufficient glycogen can be synthesized through fats or proteins. I just don’t understand how you can just read something so simple and accept it as true; there is obviously more to the story than what these two quotes tell you. [/quote]
i am currently considering the fact that i quoted two people that probably know more than you do.
[quote]Whey Man wrote:
So you’re saying I can eat 2,500 calories worth of donuts and be ok as long as I burn off 2,700 calories? If only it were that simple, chief…
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no that isn’t what i was saying. i was just making an unrealistic example by saying he wouldn’t gain fat by doing that. you forgot to add the part where i said i wouldn’t recommend it. chief.
[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
ktennies wrote:
without enough carbs you will not have the energy necessary to lift hard
Bullshit.[/quote]
hi,
i agree, but try to get at least 200gr of carbs/day
LoL @ ktennies.
Bodycraft: agree with who?
mm i agree with een, but i should specify : not a long time, it’s possible to keep hardwork without sugars for a few days, to cause a drop in the bodyfat, but not during a month!
Cutting carbs is the only way for me to get really lean (that I know of). I more or less follow a low carb approach year round, with one or two cheat days a week. I’ve dropped a LOT of fat and gained a lot of strength.
I also feel better and more energetic than when I wasn’t low-carbing, although I have a suspucion it’s because I can’t handle gluten and this kind of diet forces me to reduce my intake.
I remember reading an article in Men’s Health about an experiment where to groups kept eating the same amount of calories, yet one group reduced carbs. This group lost a significant amount of bodyfat.
ya ok,
in fact i would like to say rather i possible to reduce the first visual effect of bodyfat, just the thickness of skin, before a contest, for exemple…
but it’s true that for have a hard and intense training for a long period, it’s necessary to have carbs, personnally i got 450-550gr of carbs per day and i remain cut, but nobody is similar.
sorry for my crap english, but believe me, it’s hard to write with technical words when you’re not accustomed lol
A low fat, high carb/protein approach does make sense when bulking. Think about it, if your fat intake only covers what’s necessary for the body to function properly, where does the excess calories form carbs and protein go? While this maybe optimal for gaining muscle while keeping bodyfat in check, I don’t think it’s the best way to lose fat. Not from my experience anyway.
Kind of makes sense. The problem with all of this is that nobody is defining ‘high’ or ‘low’ etc. Regardless to those people who think everything should be done high carb, thats fine for you but for a lot of other people it’s completely wrong.
[quote]danchubb wrote:
Kind of makes sense. The problem with all of this is that nobody is defining ‘high’ or ‘low’ etc. Regardless to those people who think everything should be done high carb, thats fine for you but for a lot of other people it’s completely wrong. [/quote]
I don’t consider somebody to be eating “low carb” until they are metabolically adapted to fat. You can lowER your carb intake, eat less carbs than average, but most of these conversations go round and round and hence nowhere, even with overall knowledgable people sometimes, because that distinction is rarely made.
[quote]ktennies wrote:
third, as hinted above, losing body fat is about burning more calories than you consume. technically, if you ate only carbs at say 2500 calories per day, while burning 2700 calories per day, those love handles would still shrink. though i wouldn’t recommend this.
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This is a proven method for losing weight. The only problem is, he’d be losing muscle, not fat.
IF you want to get lean eat more protein veggies fruits and limit your carbs till proper times of the day BREAKFAST and PostWorkout… BodyCraft eating 500 grams of carbs a day consistently for a normal human will make them FAT (including me) but i guess your not human are you.
Eating all those carbs at random times of the day your insulin levels will not be spiked on times you want them to really spike for muscle nutriet shuttling postworkout…SOOO CARBS or not for some Fat Loss? NOT Limit them and be careful what you eat elimate all beverages but water and protein shakes as well. peace
well lildaddy… yes, i’m human 
in fact, you talk about insulin, and it’s precisely what i learn to control.
each carb has its own “glycemic level”, and thuts its own more or less action on insulin secretion.
so i try to have throughout the day of “low glycemic level” carbs except immediatly after my workout when i take a very high glycemic carb like dextrose.
in this way, insulin is not produced continuously, but just when it’s needed…
does fruit cause less of an insulin spike than oats? which would be better for a pre-workout b-fast?
Some HI-GLI carbs are ok, especially with breakfast and after a workout.
For the rest of the day Low-GLI carbs (if any) are probably a better idea while being on a diet.
Getting your carbs from milk alone might not be a good idea because dairy products cause an unusually large insulin spike which could make you
a)very hungry and sabotage your diet and
b)interfere with fat loss.
What do you consider to be low? Less than 100 grams?
[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
does fruit cause less of an insulin spike than oats? which would be better for a pre-workout b-fast?[/quote]
Fructose does not cause an insulin spike.
It is interesting that the carbs we evolved with have very little impact on our insulin response…
Anyway you would want an insulin spike during breakfast though to “break the fast” => breakfast.
In his last article Thibadeau counts oats as “semi-bad” carbs, but if you are skinny as your screen name leads me to believe, dig in.
In fact the whole scrawny to brawny diet (Berardi, look it up) revolves around insulin manipulation to get you to eat more (if I remember correctly).
[quote]CantStop wrote:
What do you consider to be low? Less than 100 grams?[/quote]
Moi?
[quote]CantStop wrote:
What do you consider to be low? Less than 100 grams?[/quote]
hi,
we don’t talk about quantity of carb, but about the “glycemic level” of each carbs… it’s not the same think.
in fact, you can eat more carbs, but tries to avoid carbs with a high “glycemic level” except just after your workout.
ps : i don’t know the good way of writing “glycemic level” :-/
I assume what you are trying to say is Glycemic Index (GI) or Glycemic Load (GL) or Insulin Index (II). Regardless, that’s not strictly true. I care a lot about the quantities of carbs I eat and not so much about their ratings on the aforementioned scales.