[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Interesting, in that glutamine ingested with carbs can ‘enhance’ glycogen storage, but I fail to see why someone desiring glycogen storage in the first place PWO would even skip the carbs in their feeding, unless it’s simply a caloric concern… but if you ask me the time surrounding your training is the last place you should be cutting any calories.
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quick question, im 16 weeks out before IDFA show was wondering whats ur take on sugar alcohols? like in oatmeal for example in minor doses, or lets say sugar free energy drinks?
I don’t sweat the sugar alcohols. My contest preps always include plenty of Splenda, Diet soda, sugar free gum and sugar free jello. Obviously too many of these alcohols might have you in the bathroom more than you’d like, but in these items (vs an entire box of sugar free chocolate), you’d have to seriously go overboard with the amount included in each.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I don’t sweat the sugar alcohols. My contest preps always include plenty of Splenda, Diet soda, sugar free gum and sugar free jello. Obviously too many of these alcohols might have you in the bathroom more than you’d like, but in these items (vs an entire box of sugar free chocolate), you’d have to seriously go overboard with the amount included in each.
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I’m sure it doesn’t really matter but, if you had to guess, how much of the items listed would you say you had daily? Right before I left school I used the credit I had left to buy ~30 packs of sugar free gum knowing I’d be cutting down over the summer got some diet soda too, totally forgot about the jello
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I don’t sweat the sugar alcohols. My contest preps always include plenty of Splenda, Diet soda, sugar free gum and sugar free jello. Obviously too many of these alcohols might have you in the bathroom more than you’d like, but in these items (vs an entire box of sugar free chocolate), you’d have to seriously go overboard with the amount included in each.
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i was wondering about this too… plain oats with salt and cinnamon just arent cutting it for me. i’ll add some splenda sometimes but i have a sugar free syrup (all calories come from sugar alcohols) that i like to add to it…
so basically (im asking) 1) you dont count any calories from sugar alcohols? and 2) you dont feel it has any negative effects on your progress?
splenda, diet soda, etc aren’t sugar alcohols, they are artifical sweetners.
Sugar alcohols still have calories (2.7/gram) and still cause a slight rise in blood sugar. And have a bloating, negative gastric effect on some ppl (me included). If you are carb sensitive why even consider it?
[quote]mch60360 wrote:
splenda, diet soda, etc aren’t sugar alcohols, they are artifical sweetners.
Sugar alcohols still have calories (2.7/gram) and still cause a slight rise in blood sugar. And have a bloating, negative gastric effect on some ppl (me included). If you are carb sensitive why even consider it?[/quote]
Because contest dieting is damn difficult, and as EVERYTHING you eat causing some ‘slight rise in blood sugar’, worrying about something so minute is just stupid and in most people’s cases, counterproductive.
I was easily downing over a pack of gum a day, as well as several (2-3) sugar free jello snack-packs. Diet Soda I would have with dinner, but the rest of the day was all water (with a few scoops of Mag10 thrown in). The bloating is an individual thing, and even if you’re not carb hyper-sensitive, carbonation in excess will have that effect anyway.
[quote]mch60360 wrote:
splenda, diet soda, etc aren’t sugar alcohols, they are artifical sweetners.
Sugar alcohols still have calories (2.7/gram) and still cause a slight rise in blood sugar. And have a bloating, negative gastric effect on some ppl (me included). If you are carb sensitive why even consider it?[/quote]
Because contest dieting is damn difficult, and as EVERYTHING you eat causing some ‘slight rise in blood sugar’, worrying about something so minute is just stupid and in most people’s cases, counterproductive.
I was easily downing over a pack of gum a day, as well as several (2-3) sugar free jello snack-packs. Diet Soda I would have with dinner, but the rest of the day was all water (with a few scoops of Mag10 thrown in). The bloating is an individual thing, and even if you’re not carb hyper-sensitive, carbonation in excess will have that effect anyway.
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Hm, that’s more than I was expecting. Mentally since I’m also so meticulous/obsessive about things I tend to think about it (i.e. 1 pack probably has about 10-15g of sugar alcohols, etc.) but I just kind of ignore that. I’ll probably be having more than I am now soon as the diet continues.
The only thing I kind of watch is splenda, given that each pack is about 1g of actual carbs (dextrose and maltodextrin are the main ingredients) so 20 packs of that per day does add up.
Coach
The max 80 grams of carbs confuse me. I am at maintenance at 3200+ calories. On a workout day I have about 200 carbs pre-post workout (work out in morning) 300 grams of Protein and approx 120 grams of fat. On nonworkout day I cut carbs to 50 (breakfast only ) and fat goes up to just under 200.
If I were to cut my fat to 80 grams , I would be eating a lot more carbs and I am not very carb tolerant.
When gaining I add carbs and when cutting I do bring the fat down.
Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I just read an articles on T-Nation that said that an insulin response only happens when 100+ grams of carbs are ingested (although it does briefly mention that the quality of the carb source must also be taken into consideration as well).
My question is, for someone who is currently using a sports drink (Gatorade) or juice to spike insulin pre-workout, is 52g (one 32 oz bottle) of carbs enough? The carbs are mainly sucrose and dextrose.
For the most part, I’m still not a carb fan. Once I reduced the intake drastically, I was really able to lose weight and completely eliminate my GERD. I fully understand there are good carbs, but even then it is a tightrope to find that natural balance in the diet for them. I use oats, Kashi Go Lean, and a little fruit as part of my ‘regular’ eating plan (which includes a great deal of veggies along with protein sources). Lee Lebrada has written some very interesting information regarding the process of intaking enough carbs to make wourkouts productive while cutting back enough to limit fat retention. My limit seems to be about 150 grams per day at 210 pounds (roughly 25% of my caloric intake) and half of that is around the workouts.
got some diet soda too, totally forgot about the jello