A carb and fat meal would be good for someone on a balanced diet, about 30/30/40. If you’re on a low carb diet, the load day or refeed meal should be carbs only or carbs+protein. IMO
And when i was talking about a carb+fat meal, i wanted to say carb+fat+prot… i always have protein in my meal so i thought that you included them too.
JudsonFit: I think that if you chose the right carb, fat and protein together, you’ll no get fatter than a meal with only carb+prot. An insulin spike is low with a good source of carb and even lower with fat+carb. You’re enegergy level and insuline would be more under control this way. IMO
My bodyfat level was near 6% i think.
I feel fine after a meal like that.
[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
The fat in the carbs and fat meal will lower the insuline spike and slow down the absorbtions of nutrients. My coach always recommended me to eat carbs with fat and never carbs and protein alone(Only around workou) to keep my insulin low. sorry, my english is not good at all. [/quote]
This is not true. Adding fat to a meal does not keep insulin low.
[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
The fat in the carbs and fat meal will lower the insuline spike and slow down the absorbtions of nutrients. My coach always recommended me to eat carbs with fat and never carbs and protein alone(Only around workou) to keep my insulin low. sorry, my english is not good at all. [/quote]
This is not true. Adding fat to a meal does not keep insulin low. [/quote]
I think he got something very wrong… I think what the real subject here was is that adding some fats like olive oil to you’r evening protein meal which should usualy be slow realeasing protein, will help prolong it release even more. But the mix of carbs and fats is just plain wrong tbh. Especialy for someone that is trying to cut and as a last meal of the day as well -.- .
[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
The fat in the carbs and fat meal will lower the insuline spike and slow down the absorbtions of nutrients. My coach always recommended me to eat carbs with fat and never carbs and protein alone(Only around workou) to keep my insulin low. sorry, my english is not good at all. [/quote]
This is not true. Adding fat to a meal does not keep insulin low. [/quote]
I think he got something very wrong… I think what the real subject here was is that adding some fats like olive oil to you’r evening protein meal which should usualy be slow realeasing protein, will help prolong it release even more. But the mix of carbs and fats is just plain wrong tbh. Especialy for someone that is trying to cut and as a last meal of the day as well -.- . [/quote]
agreed. @andersons: adding fat to a meal does not “keep insulin low”, but it does cause a lower spike in insulin than carbs alone, by slowing digestion and absorption of CHO
Forgot to mention that even with moderate to highish carbohydrate intakes (and thus chronically elevated insulin levels), fat CAN still be oxidized provided you are in a caloric deficit and will be difficult to store.
[quote]Kerley wrote:
unless your having a low protein day why would you even want to have a just carbs & fat meal?
if your a newb i take that back[/quote]
Because they’re tasty!
Going low carb worked really well for me when I was poorly conditioned and overweight but as I’ve gotten in better shape I’ve had to adjust and increase carbs. I have them all in the morning after running and in the afternoon before workouts. It is a hard adjustment mentally to put carbs back into the diet after having success losing fat without them but I can really see the difference conditioning makes.
[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
The fat in the carbs and fat meal will lower the insuline spike and slow down the absorbtions of nutrients. My coach always recommended me to eat carbs with fat and never carbs and protein alone(Only around workou) to keep my insulin low. sorry, my english is not good at all. [/quote]
This is not true. Adding fat to a meal does not keep insulin low. [/quote]
I think he got something very wrong… I think what the real subject here was is that adding some fats like olive oil to you’r evening protein meal which should usualy be slow realeasing protein, will help prolong it release even more. But the mix of carbs and fats is just plain wrong tbh. Especialy for someone that is trying to cut and as a last meal of the day as well -.- . [/quote]
agreed. @andersons: adding fat to a meal does not “keep insulin low”, but it does cause a lower spike in insulin than carbs alone, by slowing digestion and absorption of CHO[/quote]
That is not what I saw in the research that I looked up. The time course of glucose and insulin was different in the meals with fat, but insulin was not lower. In fact, it was often higher.
[quote]Big_Phil wrote:
The fat in the carbs and fat meal will lower the insuline spike and slow down the absorbtions of nutrients. My coach always recommended me to eat carbs with fat and never carbs and protein alone(Only around workou) to keep my insulin low. sorry, my english is not good at all. [/quote]
This is not true. Adding fat to a meal does not keep insulin low. [/quote]
I think he got something very wrong… I think what the real subject here was is that adding some fats like olive oil to you’r evening protein meal which should usualy be slow realeasing protein, will help prolong it release even more. But the mix of carbs and fats is just plain wrong tbh. Especialy for someone that is trying to cut and as a last meal of the day as well -.- . [/quote]
agreed. @andersons: adding fat to a meal does not “keep insulin low”, but it does cause a lower spike in insulin than carbs alone, by slowing digestion and absorption of CHO[/quote]
That is not what I saw in the research that I looked up. The time course of glucose and insulin was different in the meals with fat, but insulin was not lower. In fact, it was often higher.[/quote]
Want to PM me the link, or post it? I’d be interested to see it.
i can definitly relate to this post. was a chubby athlete my whole life and i allowed myself to baloon up to 270 pounds (at 5’7). long story short got focused and serious about training and sports. im currently at 165 lbs at 10%. during my weight loss journey i definitly was a carbaphobe but i am currently seeing how useful carbs can be if it is taken properly. maybe you guys can help me up set up a carb cycling approach with my schedule. (currently doing PT for my injured knee. torn acl). how would i go about mixing up my carb intake for the appropriate days.
mon. PT from 1230-3pm. 4-5pm gym ( push day)
tues. PT from 1230 -3 pm 4-5 gym ( conditioning, usually circuits that consist of bb complexes, kettlebells, sledgehammer and sled pushing)
wed. PT 1230-3pm, 4-5 gym ( pull day)
Thurs. PT 1230-3pm, 4-5 gym ( same as conditioning day)
friday. PT 1230-3pm, 4-5 gym( push day)
sat. 330- 5pm gym ( pull day with some sort of conditioning finisher)
PT session are as follows: MWF - is basically lower body weights( squats, lunges, legpress etc)
TTH - is basically agility training ( hops, jumps, floor drills etc)
my goal is for a lean athletic body. diet is clean and in check.
help would be appreciated…
i’ve been using SWF and MAG-10 for the last few weeks with what i feel has been great results. i’ve experienced new personal records, in both weight and rep counts. i look fuller, but leaner at the same time and i’m not falling asleep at my desk after a kick ass workout. i just noticed they released Anaconda protocol v2 which has reduced calories by removing FINiBARs and adding SWF. i’ve been indulging in a FINiBAR both pre and post workout even though i’m on a slightly reduced calorie/carb diet in an attempt to lose 15lbs.
should i reduce my FINiBAR intake and stick to the current SWF/MAG-10 stack or should i go to Anaconda v2 to get rid of my final 15lbs?
i’ve been using SWF and MAG-10 for the last few weeks with what i feel has been great results. i’ve experienced new personal records, in both weight and rep counts. i look fuller, but leaner at the same time and i’m not falling asleep at my desk after a kick ass workout. i just noticed they released Anaconda protocol v2 which has reduced calories by removing FINiBARs and adding SWF. i’ve been indulging in a FINiBAR both pre and post workout even though i’m on a slightly reduced calorie/carb diet in an attempt to lose 15lbs.
should i reduce my FINiBAR intake and stick to the current SWF/MAG-10 stack or should i go to Anaconda v2 to get rid of my final 15lbs?[/quote]
I’d go with v2. It was designed in part for fat loss phases without sacrificing muscle growth.
i’ve been using SWF and MAG-10 for the last few weeks with what i feel has been great results. i’ve experienced new personal records, in both weight and rep counts. i look fuller, but leaner at the same time and i’m not falling asleep at my desk after a kick ass workout. i just noticed they released Anaconda protocol v2 which has reduced calories by removing FINiBARs and adding SWF. i’ve been indulging in a FINiBAR both pre and post workout even though i’m on a slightly reduced calorie/carb diet in an attempt to lose 15lbs.
should i reduce my FINiBAR intake and stick to the current SWF/MAG-10 stack or should i go to Anaconda v2 to get rid of my final 15lbs?[/quote]
I’d go with v2. It was designed in part for fat loss phases without sacrificing muscle growth.[/quote]
designed in part for fat loss you say… if i was going to use it for gaining, could you make any recommendations as to what/how you would add other stuff like whey or bcaa’s without compromising its effectiveness?
i’ve been using SWF and MAG-10 for the last few weeks with what i feel has been great results. i’ve experienced new personal records, in both weight and rep counts. i look fuller, but leaner at the same time and i’m not falling asleep at my desk after a kick ass workout. i just noticed they released Anaconda protocol v2 which has reduced calories by removing FINiBARs and adding SWF. i’ve been indulging in a FINiBAR both pre and post workout even though i’m on a slightly reduced calorie/carb diet in an attempt to lose 15lbs.
should i reduce my FINiBAR intake and stick to the current SWF/MAG-10 stack or should i go to Anaconda v2 to get rid of my final 15lbs?[/quote]
I’d go with v2. It was designed in part for fat loss phases without sacrificing muscle growth.[/quote]
designed in part for fat loss you say… if i was going to use it for gaining, could you make any recommendations as to what/how you would add other stuff like whey or bcaa’s without compromising its effectiveness?[/quote]
i too am wondering about this. would it be significantly more effective for gaining muscle if we did say 3 scoops ANANCONDA and 2 scoops MAG-10? how much more effective would it really be?
CT, do you think this is a good solution for someone already pretty lean, trying to get rid of those last few pounds of fat? I’m on your Regressive keto diet now, I feel miserable and can’t train hard enough, so I’m thinking of trying this. However, I’m still carbfobic, especially when I’m already lean.
Thanks for any advices!
By the way, this is what coach Poliquin said about pre- vs. post- W.O. carbs(cited from FB discussion board):
“One cannot look at the World through a straw. Neurotransmitters are omitted in that approach. Ingesting carbs at the wrong time lowers acetylcholine and dopamine with are essential for lifting heavy loads. Raising insulin also negates GH production. Carbs are your friends post-workout, not during workouts.”
[quote]Mishurre wrote:
By the way, this is what coach Poliquin said about pre- vs. post- W.O. carbs(cited from FB discussion board):
“One cannot look at the World through a straw. Neurotransmitters are omitted in that approach. Ingesting carbs at the wrong time lowers acetylcholine and dopamine with are essential for lifting heavy loads. Raising insulin also negates GH production. Carbs are your friends post-workout, not during workouts.”
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He has his approach, I have mine. Plenty of studies show how effective pre and during workout carbs are. There is also plenty of studies showing that insulin production is vastly reduced post-workout, making ingesting carbs post-workout less effective.
But honestly I’m way past the stage of feeling like I need to argue my techniques with others, from experience it never does any good. My experience has shown me that the approach that I am using now has given me the best results and my clients also have had better results than with post-workout carbs.
We can find theories and studies that will show everything to work, or not work. Ultimately it comes down to your own in-the-trenches experience.
But I’ll say this… all of Tate’s crew is using the ANACONDA Protocol which includes carbs pre-workout (and during workout for them because of their long training time) and it has been shown to be so effective that Dave said that it completely changed his training paradigm. These powerlifters have to squat under 800-1000lbs… if pre-workout carbs were so bad for neurotransmitter production I would think that these guys would be the first to suffer.
[quote]Mishurre wrote:
By the way, this is what coach Poliquin said about pre- vs. post- W.O. carbs(cited from FB discussion board):
“One cannot look at the World through a straw. Neurotransmitters are omitted in that approach. Ingesting carbs at the wrong time lowers acetylcholine and dopamine with are essential for lifting heavy loads. Raising insulin also negates GH production. Carbs are your friends post-workout, not during workouts.”
[/quote]
He has his approach, I have mine. Plenty of studies show how effective pre and during workout carbs are. There is also plenty of studies showing that insulin production is vastly reduced post-workout, making ingesting carbs post-workout less effective.
But honestly I’m way past the stage of feeling like I need to argue my techniques with others, from experience it never does any good. My experience has shown me that the approach that I am using now has given me the best results and my clients also have had better results than with post-workout carbs.
We can find theories and studies that will show everything to work, or not work. Ultimately it comes down to your own in-the-trenches experience.
But I’ll say this… all of Tate’s crew is using the ANACONDA Protocol which includes carbs pre-workout (and during workout for them because of their long training time) and it has been shown to be so effective that Dave said that it completely changed his training paradigm. These powerlifters have to squat under 800-1000lbs… if pre-workout carbs were so bad for neurotransmitter production I would think that these guys would be the first to suffer.[/quote]
Thanks for a fast reply I will try ingesting those carbs pre-workout - maybe I couldn’t lose fat on carb-cycling diet because of putting those carbs in after workout… Well, at least I’ll be able to train harder than on a keto diet.
I will try ingesting those carbs pre-workout - maybe I couldn’t lose fat on carb-cycling diet because of putting those carbs in after workout… Well, at least I’ll be able to train harder than on a keto diet.