Carbs Cycling Experience

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Hey guys, it’s been a while since anyone posted so I might be receiving an echo, echo ech…lol.

Anyways, on week 3 here and love the simplicity of a carb cycle diet. I’m never hungry and my weights are climbing in the gym daily!
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I think carb cycling is great but it’s the last diet I’d say is “simple” lol. It takes more calculations and attention to detail than most other plans I can think of. [/quote]

I think that depends on what kind of person you are and your goals. From reading some of your posts you seem to complicate things and over think a bit too much.

It’s pretty easy to keep carbs low, moderate and high without counting everything.

[quote]TEKEN wrote:
Since this was originally about carb cycling experience heres mine so far:

Carb Cycling Results (15 WEEKS)

WEIGHT: - 16.0 LB
WAIST: - 4.15 IN
BF%: - 8.5 %
LBM: + 0.1 LB
FAT: - 16.0 LB

I think this is the most effective way of losing fat. I havent tried a bulking cycle yet, so I�´ll keep you guys posted when I start.[/quote]

Awesome work, what’s your diet/cardio/training been like?

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Hey guys, it’s been a while since anyone posted so I might be receiving an echo, echo ech…lol.

Anyways, on week 3 here and love the simplicity of a carb cycle diet. I’m never hungry and my weights are climbing in the gym daily!
[/quote]

I think carb cycling is great but it’s the last diet I’d say is “simple” lol. It takes more calculations and attention to detail than most other plans I can think of. [/quote]

I think that depends on what kind of person you are and your goals. From reading some of your posts you seem to complicate things and over think a bit too much.

It’s pretty easy to keep carbs low, moderate and high without counting everything.[/quote]

Yes it can be easy, but is it easier than [/i]not[i] doing it? Obviously not…

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]TEKEN wrote:
Since this was originally about carb cycling experience heres mine so far:

Carb Cycling Results (15 WEEKS)

WEIGHT: - 16.0 LB
WAIST: - 4.15 IN
BF%: - 8.5 %
LBM: + 0.1 LB
FAT: - 16.0 LB

I think this is the most effective way of losing fat. I havent tried a bulking cycle yet, so I�??�?�´ll keep you guys posted when I start.[/quote]

Awesome work, what’s your diet/cardio/training been like?

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Hey guys, it’s been a while since anyone posted so I might be receiving an echo, echo ech…lol.

Anyways, on week 3 here and love the simplicity of a carb cycle diet. I’m never hungry and my weights are climbing in the gym daily!
[/quote]

I think carb cycling is great but it’s the last diet I’d say is “simple” lol. It takes more calculations and attention to detail than most other plans I can think of. [/quote]

I think that depends on what kind of person you are and your goals. From reading some of your posts you seem to complicate things and over think a bit too much.

It’s pretty easy to keep carbs low, moderate and high without counting everything.[/quote]

Yes it can be easy, but is it easier than not doing it? Obviously not…
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Well duh! Anything can be easier if you don’t do it.

How hard can it be to have 3 meals with carbs one day, 6 meals with carbs another day and no meals with carbs the next day?

im in my first week of carb cycling im using an old TC article as reference (the one in the firsst page)

im using this macos
Bmr :2934:
Calories to lose weight
2350

Moderate carb Days
255 gram protein
255 Gram Carbs
35 gram fat

High carb days
255 Gram protein
320 gram carbs
35 gram fat .

Low carb days
Protein 255 gram
Carbs 190 gram
Fat 35 gram

Breakfest , post workout and 1 hour after i consume carbs the rest of the day is just proteins and fats.

would you guys change anything ?
Also the article dident make it clear but is cheat meals once a week okay when cutting or shoud i just eat clean like i did this week :p.

on my cut , first week ive lost 1 lb .

Quick question guys, what is the reason for using fats as energy rather then carbs on low carb days? I know obviously you want to cut out the carbs but how does the body uses fats in order to burn more fat? I thought the body would burn fat at the same rate even if it is carbs or fat using as energy. I know carbs is quicker source of energy but don’t really understand it.

Pumped 340:

  1. I dont think that carbcycling is complicated, I actually think is pretty simple… you have to try it ! At first you would think that you are going to be couting all your macros throughout the day but by now you can tell if your chicken or meat has 8oz - 10oz, with time the same happens with carbs and also must of the time you can use cups to measure them, so try to be positive if you are interested in using this approach.

  2. Look at this example: Before I was using a targeted carb approach, all my meals were veggies, good fats a lean meat, chicken, fish or whatever. Carbs were added during breakfast (fruits) and post workout (something like Surge). My body fat was around 18% and I felt I was doing everything right but my body was not looking good at all.

I dont go to the gym to play, I lift heavy and strive to make progress everytime I go in there, but my progress had stalled for a long time. Then I switched to carbcycling and everything started to kick off. My training remained the same I only added cardio started at 30 min on my days off now Im at 60min everyday. Carb rotation started at 100, 150, 250 now just 40, 80 so no high day, with no muscle loss and strength gains.

I just realized how important nutrition is and how to manipulate nutrients in order to favor my goals.

When was the las time you followed a progra for 16 weeks, how did you track your progressm what adjustments did you do ?

Its easy if your trying to lose weight you have to drop 1-2 pounds (if your under 200lb) weekly, these numbers are not written in stone but from experience any faster than that for a few weeks and you will lose muscle. When bulking, if its a sensible one try to weight +1lb weekly.

Select a good training program which forces you to use heavy weight, no 12-15 reps kind of shit (I beleieve that for fat loss strength training is the best), select a nutritional program, track your progress, evaluate, manage the variables… its just a matter of time.

Some people get the hang of this right aways, some people dont even need to do it and get results, and some others dont even get the chance to try it before they give up.

I hope this helps man. It took me a LONG time to understand and learn how to aapply this, and Im just starting to see the benefits.

[quote]nickh2308 wrote:
Quick question guys, what is the reason for using fats as energy rather then carbs on low carb days? I know obviously you want to cut out the carbs but how does the body uses fats in order to burn more fat? I thought the body would burn fat at the same rate even if it is carbs or fat using as energy. I know carbs is quicker source of energy but don’t really understand it.[/quote]

Well Its pretty simple… why does carb cycling works ? Because it manages insulin sensitivity ! Why does the refeed method work ? Because it improves your insulin sensitivity, whenever the body is deprived of something that is really necessary it will use it quiet well when it reappears !

Thats why you cycle your carbs, also carbs raise insulin so you are not able to burn fat optimally if you eat carbs 24/7. So you get the best of both worlds, you are able to lose fat optimally during your off days (low carbs) and you are able to prevent muscle loss during high carbs days, sometimes even build muscle. Usually the high carb day comes after a low carb to improve what ?

Say it with me kids !

INSULIN SENSITIVITY :stuck_out_tongue:

Hopes this clears it up a bit !

[quote]TEKEN wrote:

[quote]nickh2308 wrote:
Quick question guys, what is the reason for using fats as energy rather then carbs on low carb days? I know obviously you want to cut out the carbs but how does the body uses fats in order to burn more fat? I thought the body would burn fat at the same rate even if it is carbs or fat using as energy. I know carbs is quicker source of energy but don’t really understand it.[/quote]

Well Its pretty simple… why does carb cycling works ? Because it manages insulin sensitivity ! Why does the refeed method work ? Because it improves your insulin sensitivity, whenever the body is deprived of something that is really necessary it will use it quiet well when it reappears !

Thats why you cycle your carbs, also carbs raise insulin so you are not able to burn fat optimally if you eat carbs 24/7. So you get the best of both worlds, you are able to lose fat optimally during your off days (low carbs) and you are able to prevent muscle loss during high carbs days, sometimes even build muscle. Usually the high carb day comes after a low carb to improve what ?

Say it with me kids !

INSULIN SENSITIVITY :stuck_out_tongue:

Hopes this clears it up a bit !

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Does this mean that by carb cycling, your insulin spikes more than if you were to consume carbs regularly in the same amount each day? Basically is carb cycling a good way to keep blood sugar levels stable or is it the other way around?

Ok we have to scenarios:

1.When you carb cycle you dont rely on insulin spikes to get your results. The method that utilizes this technique would be the refeeds… in this case it works because you were deprived of carbs for a long time and you practicly try to overtrain yourself to achieve a supercompesation effect and basically all those nutriets get pushed right into the muscle cells as they are hungry and you also get a boost in your metabolism.

  1. When you use a carbcycling approach you maintain your inulin levels pretty sable during the whole day. For example, a high day might be 300gr grams of carbs but they would be spread throughout the day in 6 meals with 50gr each, carbs sources would be stuff like brown rice, oats, yams… which mean slow release. During a low day you may consume 50gr devided in 2 meals… the breakfast and the other after your cardio… by now I think you get the hang of it, its a pretty sensible approach is not a all you can eat contest loaded with crappy food.

If you consume the same amount of carbs during the week you lose your insulin sensitivity with time, and theres no need for highcarbs during an off day.

When you carb cycle you put a low day before a high, that way you manage you insulin better and you put it to work the way it should be…feeding your muscle not your fat cells.

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I confess: I used to be carbphobic. The first time I was able to get really lean I followed a low-carbs diet and immediately believed that this was the only way to get ripped.

As I gained more experience training various types of clients, I noticed that many actually needed carbs in their diet; if they didn’t they would regress… I trained people who got fatter and less muscular on a low-carbs diet. So that was a first change in my diet belief system… I went from a low-carbs zealot to a lowish carbs guy who understand that some might need a different approach.

As I gained even more experience and read more stuff, I came to realise that carbs in themselves are not that bad for fat loss… well, to be more precise carbs wont make you fat as easily as I once thought.

During my low-carb days I honestly believed that the body would easily turn carbs into fat. Based on my own experience this made sense since carbs were a huge part of my diet when I got fat and were removed from my diet when I got lean.

The thing is that I’m an excessive guy and do have a slight tendency toward bulimia or binging. Not to mention that most of the carb sources I like are very dense in calories. So it might not be the fact that I was ingesting carbs that made me fat, but rather the fact that I was consuming WAY too much calories for my body and activity level.

Even when I realised this, I still believed that carbs could easily be stored as fat. It turns out that this is not the case.

For carbs to be stored as fat you need:

  • To have relatively full muscle glycogen stores
  • To be inactive
  • To be consuming a caloric surplus

If your glycogen stores are empty, you will tend to store more carbs there than as body fat. Obviously you have a limited capacity to store glycogen and since you rarely deplete them completely, you can’t eat a very high amount of carbs daily and expect to get lean. But you still have some room to play with.

And the more active you are, the less carbs you’ll store as body fat. Physical activity depletes glycogen stores, which means that more carbs as stored in the muscles as glycogen, and less will be stored as fat. Physical activity also make the muscles more sensitive to insulin, which also increases the amount of carbs stored in the muscle.

If you are ingesting a caloric deficit, carbs will first be uses for energy instead of being stored as fat.

Ok… so a high carbs diet is fine if your goal is fat loss? Not exactly… see, if carbs are harder than I believed to store as fat, they can still impair fat loss. A high amount of ingested carbs will cause an insulin spike. Insulin is a storage hormone: it tells the body to store nutrients as energy. The body is really bad at doing two opposite things at the same time… so if insulin levels are high you will be in storing mode as opposed to ‘‘mobilizing’’ mode.

In simpler terms, when insulin is high, you wont release as much fat to be used for energy.

When it comes to losing body fat, the key is burning more fat for fuel than you ingest and store. So something that reduces fat burning and fat mobilization OR something that increases fat storage will hurt your fat loss efforts.

Elevated insulin levels halt fat mobilization (the first step in losing fat). If your insulin levels are always elevated during the day, you are basically preventing fat loss during the whole day.

The problem is that insulin can stay elevated up to 2 hours after you are done digesting a high carbs meal. If you are eating 6 meals a day and all of them have a highish amount of carbs, you basically shut down fat loss during the day.

And since you are in storing mode, any fat you consume during that time might very well be stored as fat. Even if that amount of minute, since you are not using a lot of fat for fuel, then you end up storing more than you are burning.

HOWEVER insulin IS anabolic… it helps build muscle. While you CAN build some muscle on a low carbs diet, it is much more difficult than if carbs are ingested.

The key is thus to time your carbs intake properly. I like to have 2 carbs intake per day during a fat loss phase: at breakfast in the form of a small amount of fruits or a FINiBAR, and prior to the workout.

From my experience a training man of 180-200lbs can ingest roughly 100g of carbs pre-workout without fear of gaining fat or halting fat loss. It will actually improve your workouts and help you maintain or even gain muscle mass while dieting down.

The amount ingested at breakfast is more individual and will vary depending on metabolic type and activity level, but 30-50g is a good starting point.[/quote]

Here CT talks about carbs a bit, as you can see what we are tryining to do is to reduce the prescence of insulin during an off day so we can stimulate fatloss and then switch to an anabolic state during a hihg day with the prescence of carbs throughout the day, also with the moderate day we are able to accomplish this but to a lesser extent.

Hope this helps !

Outstanding thread. Up there with the very best on T-Nation, I felt compelled to read every single page.

Huge thankyou to Elusive and Phatkins for making this thread as informative and interesting as it is. Would love to see some updates from you both.

I like a lot of others have been doing a variation of carb cycling for a few weeks now and it is great to see a thread that explains fully the mechanics and practice of why it works and some tips to help me polish up the diet.

All hail the REFEED.

[quote]nightwolfer wrote:
im in my first week of carb cycling im using an old TC article as reference (the one in the firsst page)

im using this macos
Bmr :2934:
Calories to lose weight
2350

Moderate carb Days
255 gram protein
255 Gram Carbs
35 gram fat

High carb days
255 Gram protein
320 gram carbs
35 gram fat .

Low carb days
Protein 255 gram
Carbs 190 gram
Fat 35 gram

Breakfest , post workout and 1 hour after i consume carbs the rest of the day is just proteins and fats.

would you guys change anything ?
Also the article dident make it clear but is cheat meals once a week okay when cutting or shoud i just eat clean like i did this week :p.

on my cut , first week ive lost 1 lb .

[/quote]
any one???

[quote]TEKEN wrote:

[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I confess: I used to be carbphobic. The first time I was able to get really lean I followed a low-carbs diet and immediately believed that this was the only way to get ripped.

As I gained more experience training various types of clients, I noticed that many actually needed carbs in their diet; if they didn’t they would regress… I trained people who got fatter and less muscular on a low-carbs diet. So that was a first change in my diet belief system… I went from a low-carbs zealot to a lowish carbs guy who understand that some might need a different approach.

As I gained even more experience and read more stuff, I came to realise that carbs in themselves are not that bad for fat loss… well, to be more precise carbs wont make you fat as easily as I once thought.

During my low-carb days I honestly believed that the body would easily turn carbs into fat. Based on my own experience this made sense since carbs were a huge part of my diet when I got fat and were removed from my diet when I got lean.

The thing is that I’m an excessive guy and do have a slight tendency toward bulimia or binging. Not to mention that most of the carb sources I like are very dense in calories. So it might not be the fact that I was ingesting carbs that made me fat, but rather the fact that I was consuming WAY too much calories for my body and activity level.

Even when I realised this, I still believed that carbs could easily be stored as fat. It turns out that this is not the case.

For carbs to be stored as fat you need:

  • To have relatively full muscle glycogen stores
  • To be inactive
  • To be consuming a caloric surplus

If your glycogen stores are empty, you will tend to store more carbs there than as body fat. Obviously you have a limited capacity to store glycogen and since you rarely deplete them completely, you can’t eat a very high amount of carbs daily and expect to get lean. But you still have some room to play with.

And the more active you are, the less carbs you’ll store as body fat. Physical activity depletes glycogen stores, which means that more carbs as stored in the muscles as glycogen, and less will be stored as fat. Physical activity also make the muscles more sensitive to insulin, which also increases the amount of carbs stored in the muscle.

If you are ingesting a caloric deficit, carbs will first be uses for energy instead of being stored as fat.

Ok… so a high carbs diet is fine if your goal is fat loss? Not exactly… see, if carbs are harder than I believed to store as fat, they can still impair fat loss. A high amount of ingested carbs will cause an insulin spike. Insulin is a storage hormone: it tells the body to store nutrients as energy. The body is really bad at doing two opposite things at the same time… so if insulin levels are high you will be in storing mode as opposed to ‘‘mobilizing’’ mode.

In simpler terms, when insulin is high, you wont release as much fat to be used for energy.

When it comes to losing body fat, the key is burning more fat for fuel than you ingest and store. So something that reduces fat burning and fat mobilization OR something that increases fat storage will hurt your fat loss efforts.

Elevated insulin levels halt fat mobilization (the first step in losing fat). If your insulin levels are always elevated during the day, you are basically preventing fat loss during the whole day.

The problem is that insulin can stay elevated up to 2 hours after you are done digesting a high carbs meal. If you are eating 6 meals a day and all of them have a highish amount of carbs, you basically shut down fat loss during the day.

And since you are in storing mode, any fat you consume during that time might very well be stored as fat. Even if that amount of minute, since you are not using a lot of fat for fuel, then you end up storing more than you are burning.

HOWEVER insulin IS anabolic… it helps build muscle. While you CAN build some muscle on a low carbs diet, it is much more difficult than if carbs are ingested.

The key is thus to time your carbs intake properly. I like to have 2 carbs intake per day during a fat loss phase: at breakfast in the form of a small amount of fruits or a FINiBAR, and prior to the workout.

From my experience a training man of 180-200lbs can ingest roughly 100g of carbs pre-workout without fear of gaining fat or halting fat loss. It will actually improve your workouts and help you maintain or even gain muscle mass while dieting down.

The amount ingested at breakfast is more individual and will vary depending on metabolic type and activity level, but 30-50g is a good starting point.[/quote]

Here CT talks about carbs a bit, as you can see what we are tryining to do is to reduce the prescence of insulin during an off day so we can stimulate fatloss and then switch to an anabolic state during a hihg day with the prescence of carbs throughout the day, also with the moderate day we are able to accomplish this but to a lesser extent.

Hope this helps ![/quote]

Great read, thanks for posting. I am very similar in my all or nothing approach, and have noticed a stalling effect in my training since switching over to the Paleo Diet 4 months ago. This helps clear up a lot of questions.

Of course ! I really hope you give type of nutrition approach a try cause I was on the Paleo Diet and got stock for a LONG time, i have 16 weeks dieting with carbcycling and Im still PRing. I used to read a lot stuff from poliquin but I feel that his Paleo diet is only doable if you are able to invest ALL your money on supplements ! Dont get me wrong it works for some people but I believe that learning how to manipulate insulin through carbcycling is the best approach Ive ever tried… and I have been in this game for more than 5 years.

Bro,

I think you are a bit confused you are mixing carb cycling with a diet based on refeeds.

Low days (OFF) - 80 gr (Meal 1 50 gr, meal 2 30gr)
Moderate (ON) - 150 gr (Meal 1 60gr, meal 2 30gr, pwo 60gr)
High (ON) - 300 gr (Divided equal througout the day, last meal shoulb be low carb)

First of all drop the 800gr day!

Perform your cardio during the off days. If you need to add more sessions add them during your moderate days.

If you want to lose fat dont eat carb pre workout you dont want to spike your insulin before you go off to the gym to burn some fat.

Keep protein at 1.5 during moderate and low days. During high drop to 1gr x pound of weight.

You need to read a little bit more.

Visit
elitefts.com

To contact Shelby Starnes

Google
Carb Cycling for MMA Athletes

Track your progress and let us now how it goes.

[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Outstanding thread. Up there with the very best on T-Nation, I felt compelled to read every single page.

Huge thankyou to Elusive and Phatkins for making this thread as informative and interesting as it is. Would love to see some updates from you both.

I like a lot of others have been doing a variation of carb cycling for a few weeks now and it is great to see a thread that explains fully the mechanics and practice of why it works and some tips to help me polish up the diet.

All hail the REFEED. [/quote]

Thanks a lot Live, we had FUN with this thread and result followed. I enjoyed the refeed as much if not more than bulking and it’s actually made me into one helluva low fat cook.

I used a carb cycling approach from early January until late April and lost 15 lbs of fat. I had a weekly cheat meal and only incorporated refeeds the last three weeks of the diet. My weight went from 201 to 176 (totally depleted). I’m sitting around 184 and have been eating at maintenance to stabilize my leptin and other hormone levels.

I think carb cycling is an outstanding way to educate someone who is new to dieting or someone who is extremely meticulous/anal about their calories and macros. I’m experimenting with something much more laid back this summer. My calories will basically cycle between lifting and off days and aside from the 1g/lb protein I really don’t care how my fat/carbs come out. I’ll be in about a 500 kcal deficit on off days and +300 kcal surplus on lifting days. The “recomp” (body recomposition) theory is being put to the test and I’ll try to maintain my weight but keep losing fat/building muscle. I eat 3 large meals a day and add peri-WO calories when I lift.

I think the take home point is that energy balance is the #1 factor in determining fat loss. Carbs/fat/protein are all forms of energy and if you eat more than your body requires, you’ll store it as fat. Our bodies are smart. We use fat or carbs for energy depending on which is readily available and the total amounts kind of come out in the wash.

Insulin sensitivity has been mentioned a lot on this page. Insulin really isn’t the determinant of body composition. Calories are much more important. It’s true, leaner individuals will improve their insulin sensitivity as will training. If you’re in a deficit the insulin sensitivity shouldn’t be an issue since all you’re trying to do is maintain LBM (just lift heavy 3X’s a week). Insulin sensitivity is much more important when bulking because you’d prefer nutrient partitioning to favor LBM over fat stores.

lol Teken I wasn’t asking for advice, I’ve done carb cycling multiple times, I was just interested in what you did.

And (and @ ronaldo) I didn’t say it was complicated, I was pointing out that it doesn’t make sense to say you love carb cycling because of it’s “simplicity” when it’s no more simplistic than any other approach for the most part, and is more complicated than a traditional approach. Still not complicated though

And how can you tell “yusef” his diet is wrong when you don’t know much about him. Who’s to say an 800g carb day is bad? Especially if he’s got a decent amount of muscle and handles carbs well, which he stated he does. Honestly at 11% bf I wouldn’t even be looking to lose fat at 176lb but given that it’s the goal I would recommend running with the plan and seeing how it goes. If carbs need to be lowered later than you have some wiggle room but no way everyone should automatically be at those set numbers. Not trying to be a dick but you can’t just generalize that much for starting a diet.

So how long can you do carb cycling for? What happens if you start to plateau and your on low calories such as 1800 (for low carb day) and the diet is decent?

I guess I will cross that bridge when it comes for now.

[quote]phatkins187 wrote:

[quote]Live4Deadlift wrote:
Outstanding thread. Up there with the very best on T-Nation, I felt compelled to read every single page.

Huge thankyou to Elusive and Phatkins for making this thread as informative and interesting as it is. Would love to see some updates from you both.

I like a lot of others have been doing a variation of carb cycling for a few weeks now and it is great to see a thread that explains fully the mechanics and practice of why it works and some tips to help me polish up the diet.

All hail the REFEED. [/quote]

Thanks a lot Live, we had FUN with this thread and result followed. I enjoyed the refeed as much if not more than bulking and it’s actually made me into one helluva low fat cook.

I used a carb cycling approach from early January until late April and lost 15 lbs of fat. I had a weekly cheat meal and only incorporated refeeds the last three weeks of the diet. My weight went from 201 to 176 (totally depleted). I’m sitting around 184 and have been eating at maintenance to stabilize my leptin and other hormone levels.

I think carb cycling is an outstanding way to educate someone who is new to dieting or someone who is extremely meticulous/anal about their calories and macros. I’m experimenting with something much more laid back this summer. My calories will basically cycle between lifting and off days and aside from the 1g/lb protein I really don’t care how my fat/carbs come out.

I’ll be in about a 500 kcal deficit on off days and +300 kcal surplus on lifting days. The “recomp” (body recomposition) theory is being put to the test and I’ll try to maintain my weight but keep losing fat/building muscle. I eat 3 large meals a day and add peri-WO calories when I lift.

I think the take home point is that energy balance is the #1 factor in determining fat loss. Carbs/fat/protein are all forms of energy and if you eat more than your body requires, you’ll store it as fat. Our bodies are smart. We use fat or carbs for energy depending on which is readily available and the total amounts kind of come out in the wash.

Insulin sensitivity has been mentioned a lot on this page. Insulin really isn’t the determinant of body composition. Calories are much more important. It’s true, leaner individuals will improve their insulin sensitivity as will training.

If you’re in a deficit the insulin sensitivity shouldn’t be an issue since all you’re trying to do is maintain LBM (just lift heavy 3X’s a week). Insulin sensitivity is much more important when bulking because you’d prefer nutrient partitioning to favor LBM over fat stores.[/quote]

I think that when we talk about carb cycling we are talking about insulin manipulation, If you say that insulin does sensitivity does not play a role while losing fat then you are saying that if I were to consume 2,500 cals daily and I burn 3,000 my body composition will improve as my weight goes down no matter the macro split ?

A calorie is not a calorie and the body responds differently depending on food and macro timing which affects insulin directly so I dont think it should be overlooked.

From Shelby s article:

The method is called carbohydrate cycling. Its main premise is that by exploiting your bodyâ??s insulin levels via cycling your daily carbohydrate intake, you can maximize its anabolic (muscle building) and anticatabolic (muscle sparing) effects while minimizing its ability to store fat and maximizing your bodyâ??s ability to burn fat. And how do we do that, you ask? Letâ??s get started!

Put in simple terms, we consume a high carbohydrate diet on some days of the week (typically on our most physically demanding days such as training days or days of heavy skill work) and a low to moderate carbohydrate diet on the other days (typically on days that are less physically demanding or on rest days).

The high carbohydrate days raise our insulin levels, fill our glycogen stores, keep our metabolism burning efficiently, and stave off muscle catabolism. The low carbohydrate days are the â??fat burning days.â?? They keep insulin levels low enough to allow for maximum fat burning while retaining muscle.

Insulin is the most important hormone in this game it tells the body what to do with glucose.

Im not saying there are not other ways to do this Im just saying that carb cycling is the best approach I´ve tried and it works based on the way your body reacts in the presence of carbs.

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
lol Teken I wasn’t asking for advice, I’ve done carb cycling multiple times, I was just interested in what you did.

And (and @ ronaldo) I didn’t say it was complicated, I was pointing out that it doesn’t make sense to say you love carb cycling because of it’s “simplicity” when it’s no more simplistic than any other approach for the most part, and is more complicated than a traditional approach. Still not complicated though

And how can you tell “yusef” his diet is wrong when you don’t know much about him. Who’s to say an 800g carb day is bad? Especially if he’s got a decent amount of muscle and handles carbs well, which he stated he does. Honestly at 11% bf I wouldn’t even be looking to lose fat at 176lb but given that it’s the goal I would recommend running with the plan and seeing how it goes.

If carbs need to be lowered later than you have some wiggle room but no way everyone should automatically be at those set numbers. Not trying to be a dick but you can’t just generalize that much for starting a diet. [/quote]

  1. I dont want to start a war but you ask questions then you dont want answers or advise.
    And you say you´ve done a few carbcycling diets and yet you say is complicated, that doesnt make sense to me.

  2. Now for yusef actually Im telling him to INCREASE his calories and REDUCE his carbs, hes eating around 2,000 cals which is kind of low and he has setup a moderete carb diet with a very high day. Such refeeds are only used to re-boot your metabolism and increase your leptin level.

If he said he wants to drop his bf% why are telling him he should not ? If that is what he wants I believe wat I recomended is going to help. Im not saying those numbers are written in stone nobody will respond equally he needs to experiment and adjust, taking what I gave as a starting point. And also I gave those numbers based on experience not just because I felt they looked pretty. Im trying to help here.

yusef… dont worry about fat to much just bring it down to a minimun during your high day, the other days get your healthy fats with low carb meals, macros will fall into place you´ll see.

You can experiment with carbs the advise I gave is based on what worked for me, but remember that after your glucose is gone your body will start burning fat, so during low and moderate days we dont want insulin in the way because it prevents fat loss.

I dont want to start a debate here Im talking about my experience what Im saying is not written in stone, if you want professional advise hire Shelby he´s not very expensive and get great results !