Thats also a ton of Surge to use on a fat loss diet… 100g of fast acting sugar in under an hour.
The more I read these posts the more I see the need to read more articles on here and other sources. Your diet and exercise routine could be much more focused on fat loss than they are.
Check out the Physique Clinics to see exactly what those guys are doing/using.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Thats also a ton of Surge to use on a fat loss diet… 100g of fast acting sugar in under an hour.[/quote]
Ugghhh… I wish Biotest didn’t load its products with sugar! What’s the purpose? Just flavor? Nothing I’ve read here indicates that sugar is beneficial at all for building muscle, not to mention losing weight… I don’t know about the rest of you, but I could live with “bland” products that are nonetheless highly beneficial from a health standpoint! Just my opinion on this…
I just added the Surge recently after reading an article or two here about how its the perfect post-workout drink (and, more recently, the perfect pre-workout drink) for maximum muscle benefit. Since better muscle mass typically means higher metabolism and therefore better fat management, I just connected the dots… That said, I guess I’m back to exclusively low carb Metabolic Drive.
And reading up on “Physique Clinic”, per your suggestion…
Sorry to be such a “project” for you guys, but I appreciate your help! It’s not that I’m lazy or stupid, I’m just having trouble assimilating all the info on the site and in the forums… Typical newbie, I guess…
[quote]speakman wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Thats also a ton of Surge to use on a fat loss diet… 100g of fast acting sugar in under an hour.
Ugghhh… I wish Biotest didn’t load its products with sugar! What’s the purpose? Just flavor? Nothing I’ve read here indicates that sugar is beneficial at all for building muscle, not to mention losing weight… I don’t know about the rest of you, but I could live with “bland” products that are nonetheless highly beneficial from a health standpoint! Just my opinion on this…
I just added the Surge recently after reading an article or two here about how its the perfect post-workout drink (and, more recently, the perfect pre-workout drink) for maximum muscle benefit. Since better muscle mass typically means higher metabolism and therefore better fat management, I just connected the dots… That said, I guess I’m back to exclusively low carb Metabolic Drive.
And reading up on “Physique Clinic”, per your suggestion…
Sorry to be such a “project” for you guys, but I appreciate your help! It’s not that I’m lazy or stupid, I’m just having trouble assimilating all the info on the site and in the forums… Typical newbie, I guess…[/quote]
I guess you haven’t read much about peri-workout nutrition.
There is a good reason that Surge contains sugars (carbs). See the following articles.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=460833
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=462147
By the way, no one suggested that you avoid Surge completely. It’s just that you went to the extreme with having 2 servings per workout while trying to lose fat.
Based on your size and objectives, one serving per workout is plenty.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
I guess you haven’t read much about peri-workout nutrition.
There is a good reason that Surge contains sugars (carbs). See the following articles.
By the way, no one suggested that you avoid Surge completely. It’s just that you went to the extreme with having 2 servings per workout while trying to lose fat.
Based on your size and objectives, one serving per workout is plenty.[/quote]
Excellent article! I look forward to seeing the followup pieces on this…
In the meantime, I’ve been reading on T-Nation (and elsewhere) for awhile how important protein is both pre- and post-workout. I think this is the article that got me thinking that Surge is a good choice for both pre- and post-:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=461132
Definitely get your point about only one serving per workout, though, considering my body fat % issues…
uummmm, from what I have read so far I think it’s your training program. I personally think you should be doing more core excersises for example try doing lunges with a weight over your head, you’d be suprised on how much it works your mid section.
I have personally started this routine and i think you should try it out,
http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/real_fast_fat_loss&cr=
this routine will put you on your ass check it out.
Diet wise, eat 6 times a day, keep the metabolism going, cut out the bread, cut out the coffee, look for foods low on the GI (glycemic index)
You said earlier that you got rid of the total body routine, how did that routine look?
I think you should focus more on compound excersises. but thats just me.
[quote]speakman wrote:
Training:
Monday: Bench Press, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Incline Bench, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Decline Bench, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Seated Row, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Lat Pull, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Leg Curl, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Leg Extension, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Calf Raise, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Wednesday: Military Press, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Bicep Curl, 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Tricep (cable down), 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Forearm Curl (under), 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Forearm Curl (over), 5 sets, 5 to 8 reps/set
Friday: Same as Monday
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I am not a trainer or a advanced bodybuilder. But i have some thoughts you might be interested in.
The bench, incline bench, followed by a decline is probably not necessary. They are essentially the same movement, regardless of angle. All in roughly the same plane (duh, its the same movement). Your also not balancing out your pushing and pulling which is a good idea. Your 5 sets of rows is not going to balance out your 15 sets of pushing.
Id swap the lat pulls for chins or pullups they use more muscle. Ditch the leg curls and replace with squats/deads. Again more muscle recruitment. Your legs are one of the biggest groups of muscle you can use to drive your metabolism. So if your going to hit them id hit em hard with a big movement. After you’ve done that with all your effort you probably will have trouble finishing the rest of your workout. So you might want to give legs their own day, and do them first when your fresh. Wed would be a good day.
Just something to think about. i am not a trainer.
The cardio isnt an evil thing. You just have to remember alot of people come from the time when running was “all” you had to do for “fitness”.
If you keep it short it wont be a problem. Say under 30 mins? It would probably even help you keep lean. Many people are using sprints in addition to weights routines that are heavy then the one you posted. Look up HITT if your interested in that type of thing. Cosgrove wont shut up about it.
Okay, that about does it… This is my last post in this thread (unless a response to this warrants a reply from me)…
I started this thread nearly four months ago with the admirable intent of providing some valuable feedback to the rest of the group regarding my trial of Carbolin 19. I’d read about the product here on T-Nation, and my theory was that it would help me solve my body fat percentage “problem”. At the time, I was about 22.5% BF (based on a home scale that I’ve since realized, thanks to all of you, probably isn’t accurate anyway).
At one point over the last four months, I seemed to make it all the way down to 18.5%. Today, I’m at 19.5%, and the scale has shown as high as 20.5% in the last couple of weeks…
But who cares!!! After all the great feedback from the group, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that my training routine is a joke, I’m fairly clueless in the nutrition department, and there’s no “magic pill” (Carbolin 19 or otherwise) that’s going to fix my problems.
So, though I have one bottle of Carbolin 19 left (and will probably just go ahead and burn through it; what the heck), this exercise has, for me, become about a whole lot more than that little green pill. So, I’m going to do something really, really brave and start a new thread over in the “Bodybuilding” forum. You guys have been pretty nice here… I expect to get the crap beat out of me over there!!! But I think I really need that if I’m ever going to achieve any success with my weight training (etc.) efforts…
So, thank you for your push in this direction, and I hope to see you guys over on the new thread. I plan to “bare my soul” there and take my medicine (so to speak).
Let the fun begin!!!
Okay, I guess I lied when I said my last post (on 4/13) would be my last post! I guess I was hoping to see a lot of you who contributed most to this thread (like Lonnie123 and HK24719) over on my new thread in the Bodybuilding forum:
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2081495&pageNo=0
The main thing is I wanted to thank ALL of you for pushing me in the right direction… I started this Supplements and Nutrition thread because I was experimenting with Carbolin 19, hoping that would turn out to be a “magic pill” that would solve all of my body composition problems…
You all worked hard to convince me that it was my weight-lifting routine of the last two years that’s been the main problem! It took awhile to sink in, but I’m happy to report that I just completed my second week of Rippetoe’s, and I’m loving it!
So, just wanted to drop by one more time to thank you all for steering me in the right direction and to let you know that I finally heard what you were trying to tell me! Check out the new thread if you feel like it…
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Honestly, that monday session looks insane. You actually may be OVER doing it… Thats 40 sets in one workout. While I’m not a beat by any stretch, I’ve done as little as 5 sets per workout and as many as 15 or so, but I’ve never done 20,30, or even 40 as you are doing.
To me this also says that you are not training with the right level of intensity. If you can do 40 sets, something is wrong. I’m absolutely fried after set 10-12 in my workouts, sometimes even lower than that. The way I workout 40 sets is just not possible.
Also, your workout looks like its based around isolation movements almost exclusively… this is not good from a fatloss standpoint.
Look up the articles I mentioned earlier and get to them, you will be surprised how hard the complexes and stuff are… and at how short the workouts are.[/quote]
You’ve never done 20 sets in a workout? Thats really not very many, 4 exercises of 5x5 gets you 20 sets, thats not unreasonable by any means. I usually do between 15-30 depending on how many reps per set I’m doing.
[quote]bw1985 wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Honestly, that monday session looks insane. You actually may be OVER doing it… Thats 40 sets in one workout. While I’m not a beat by any stretch, I’ve done as little as 5 sets per workout and as many as 15 or so, but I’ve never done 20,30, or even 40 as you are doing.
To me this also says that you are not training with the right level of intensity. If you can do 40 sets, something is wrong. I’m absolutely fried after set 10-12 in my workouts, sometimes even lower than that. The way I workout 40 sets is just not possible.
Also, your workout looks like its based around isolation movements almost exclusively… this is not good from a fatloss standpoint.
Look up the articles I mentioned earlier and get to them, you will be surprised how hard the complexes and stuff are… and at how short the workouts are.
You’ve never done 20 sets in a workout? Thats really not very many, 4 exercises of 5x5 gets you 20 sets, thats not unreasonable by any means. I usually do between 15-30 depending on how many reps per set I’m doing.
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This is an old, dead thread, however I still stand by my statement that if you are doing upwards of 30 sets, and certainly 40 sets, you are not training with nearly enough intensity. If you are honestly giving every set 100% of your mind and body, depending on the body part you are working I might even say 20 is a bit high.
For something like “full body” this becomes slightly different because you can do 4 sets for quads, hams, chest, shoulders, arms, back and probably be alright… But if you are doing a standard body part split I just cant imagine anything productive happening after set number 20, and even thats an upper ceiling.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
This is an old, dead thread, however I still stand by my statement that if you are doing upwards of 30 sets, and certainly 40 sets, you are not training with nearly enough intensity. If you are honestly giving every set 100% of your mind and body, depending on the body part you are working I might even say 20 is a bit high.
For something like “full body” this becomes slightly different because you can do 4 sets for quads, hams, chest, shoulders, arms, back and probably be alright… But if you are doing a standard body part split I just cant imagine anything productive happening after set number 20, and even thats an upper ceiling.[/quote]
Now that I finally got my act together and started Rippetoe’s (about a month ago), I’m down to about 14 sets per workout… And finally getting some results!!! There really are great benefits to this approach, probably especially for a “beginner” like me…
(resurrection of thread? LOL)
Not even just for beginners. If you read about HIT or guys like Dorian Yates, he performed ONE all-out set for his main exercises and left it at that. In some cases you don’t need volume, you need intensity of effort to enable the growth response and a good nutrition plan to create the growth.
So i guess this was a dead thread but i just found it… i’m curious now a couple months after the original post how you are doing on Carbolin 19. Any before and after pics or what? I was looking into it to try for a couple months out of the summer.