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here is an update on my progress. This is after about 5 weeks of use. I really haven’t done too much body comp measures in the last few weeks, because i didn’t want to get data that was obtained too soon to see any difference.

Anyway, from my start date until this past tuesday I have gained 6.5 lbs including approximately 0.5 lbs of fat and about 6 lbs of lean mass.

The only major change i made during this time was the addition of Carbolin 19 except for the last week in which i added Alpha Male to the mix.

Unfortunately i didn’t take a measure before the Alpha Male so it is not possible to determine exactly how much is due to the Carbolin 19 and how much is due to the combo. Either way i am very pleased with the changes in the last few weeks.

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[quote]Jesus_Freak wrote:
BAJ wrote:
This was touched on in the other thread. If you want to maximize natural test it would be better to space it between 6-8 hours apart. This is assuming you are taking your first dose upon waking which is recommended.

BAJ,

Quick Question about this. On the Carbolin 19 thread I was asking Cy about ways of experimenting with Spike and Carbolin 19. Spike has really helped me with morning motiviation, and this is important since I workout in the morning. Cy seemd to suggest at one point that taking Carbolin 19 in the afternoon and even would not decrease its effectiveness very much, as long as the doses were taken 6 hours apart. Are you suggesting here that this may not be true?

Thanks!

JF[/quote]

JF,

BAJ was making that statement in reference to increasing endogenous testosterone levels, as they are typically highest in the morning. That is merely a small side benefit however, and not the mechanism through which it exerts its effects upon body composition.

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No disrespect, CK… Admittedly, my measurement techniques, from a scientific perspective, are crude.

Perhaps, I’m just a non-responding freak : ) .

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[quote]Gnostic wrote:
Perhaps, I’m just a non-responding freak : ) .[/quote]

I feel your pain! Although my body comp has improved I threw far too many variables in at once to determine what the significant inputs are…

guess I will have to continue the study!

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I finished a 14 day cycle of 6 caps Alpha Male, 4 caps Methoxy-7 and 2 caps Carbolin 19 following dosage protocols. There was no significant body changes except for a slight decrease in bodyfat. The pumps in the gym were amazing and felt like i was on AAS. I never experienced that on any other non AAS supplement. I got some acne on my chest which i never had before in my life. i usually get acne on my back. I also had some intestinal upset. I’m thinking it has to do with all those nanodispersion formulas considering i did not change any part of my diet and i am very liver sensitive. Overall i think it is a great stack, even though it costs a lot of money. laters pk

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Hello All,

I am writing for some advice, probably from Cy or BAJ. I have been taking Carbolin 19 and Spike together successfully for 7 weeks. I experienced some racing heartbeats during workouts when I increased my Spike dose, so I decreased it and everything went fine.

I am switching from Spike to HOT-ROX today, and hope to get the same lack of interaction with Carbolin 19 that I got with Spike. So I can look for them, what would be the symptoms of an adverse interraction so that I can stop the Carbolin 19 if they happen?

JF

P.S. I am switching to HOT-ROX because I have started the V-Diet.

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[quote]Jesus_Freak wrote:
Hello All,

I am writing for some advice, probably from Cy or BAJ. I have been taking Carbolin 19 and Spike together successfully for 7 weeks. I experienced some racing heartbeats during workouts when I increased my Spike dose, so I decreased it and everything went fine.

I am switching from Spike to HOT-ROX today, and hope to get the same lack of interaction with Carbolin 19 that I got with Spike. So I can look for them, what would be the symptoms of an adverse interraction so that I can stop the Carbolin 19 if they happen?

JF

P.S. I am switching to HOT-ROX because I have started the V-Diet.

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JF,

First, I don’t recommend using HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19 concurrently. However, if you’re dead set on doing so, hypothetical symptoms of an adverse interaction might be, but not limited to, fatigue, dizziness, nausea and throbbing headache. There could potentially be an effect upon heart rate as well.

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[quote]Cy Willson wrote:

JF,

First, I don’t recommend using HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19 concurrently. However, if you’re dead set on doing so, hypothetical symptoms of an adverse interaction might be, but not limited to, fatigue, dizziness, nausea and throbbing headache. There could potentially be an effect upon heart rate as well.[/quote]

Cy,

Thank you. I presume then that the interraction would be completely different than the one with Spike, which I had none with. I am fatigued enough on the V-Diet curently, so I do not think I want to risk the interraction. I’ll just switch over to HOT-ROX, take a week cleansing break in about 6-7 weeks, and then start my Alpha Male, Carbolin 19, Methoxy-7 stack…

JF

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Just started my Carbolin 19 “never ending cycle” four days ago. I am eating like a pig, (clean of course). I am hungry all of the time. I have gained 4 pounds already (202# to 206#) while still fitting into my 32" waist pants. Usually when I bulk up or do some MAG-10 I have to get out the “fat pants” from the back of the closet. I will check back in again in a few days or weeks.

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Cy or anyone, I don’t recall if it was said that you can take Carbolin 19 or Spike in the same day as anti-inflammatory advil/ibuprofren? tia

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[quote]Mack wrote:
Cy or anyone, I don’t recall if it was said that you can take Carbolin 19 or Spike in the same day as anti-inflammatory advil/ibuprofren? tia[/quote]

There shouldn’t be any problems with either.

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Question for those who have used Carbolin 19 for at least three or four weeks. Did the increased hunger ever taper off? I can’t seem to eat enough and I seem to be putting on weight fast.

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[quote]dgeyman wrote:
Question for those who have used Carbolin 19 for at least three or four weeks. Did the increased hunger ever taper off? I can’t seem to eat enough and I seem to be putting on weight fast.[/quote]

I’d still describe my appetite as elevated, but nowhere near what it was that first week or two.

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[quote]reddman wrote:
dgeyman wrote:
Question for those who have used Carbolin 19 for at least three or four weeks. Did the increased hunger ever taper off? I can’t seem to eat enough and I seem to be putting on weight fast.

I’d still describe my appetite as elevated, but nowhere near what it was that first week or two.

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I’d agree with that. I was eating hugely (too much so) with Carbolin 19 when I first began. My appetite definitely increased when I began. Now, I’m nearing the end of my bulk (temporarily of course) and my appetite seems to have tapered off some.

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[quote]TriGWU wrote:
As long as you are using the scale as a comparison to the same measure it is accurate as to whether you are losing or gaining. [/quote]

This is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. Bodyfat scales (or any electrical bodyfat measurers for that matter) are horribly inaccurate b/c they do not produce consistent results. In a mere matter of minutes, you could easily get a 10% swing on your bodyfat reading - depending on many dozens of factors (such as when you last drank water, how much, if you’re cold, warm, went to the bathroom recently, if you worked out that day, etc…) They are worst than randomly picking numbers out of the air IMO.

Calipers are VERY accurate if you’re experienced. My advice? Get experienced. Seriously, it’ll be well worth it.

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[quote]greatgro wrote:
TriGWU wrote:
As long as you are using the scale as a comparison to the same measure it is accurate as to whether you are losing or gaining.

This is ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. Bodyfat scales (or any electrical bodyfat measurers for that matter) are horribly inaccurate b/c they do not produce consistent results. In a mere matter of minutes, you could easily get a 10% swing on your bodyfat reading - depending on many dozens of factors (such as when you last drank water, how much, if you’re cold, warm, went to the bathroom recently, if you worked out that day, etc…) They are worst than randomly picking numbers out of the air IMO.

Calipers are VERY accurate if you’re experienced. My advice? Get experienced. Seriously, it’ll be well worth it.

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Excuse my terminology. I believe we are confusing precise vs. accurate. Body fat scales may not be accurate but they are precise. Precise is the ability to repeat a measure time after time. Accurate is the ability to effectively measure to the exact degree.

So my terminology of accuracy was in the sense that it can tell you if you lost or gained however it may not tell you your actual body fat percentage. As long as you are using the same scale at the same time of day and the same relative conditions (ie after you piss) then it will be able to give you a trend. You may start out at 11% and move to 10% on the scale when you are actually 9% and moved to 8%. In a sense both are telling you that you lost body fat and that is all that matters.

Calipers are somewhat accurate, again, there are many spots for calipers namely using 3 point and 5 point measurements. Generally considered more accurate based on more positions the measurements were taken place from. Please tell me how you did your subscapular pinch by yourself.

Oh and lets consider this, you are telling me that an equation that was based on an all white male population is entirely accurate and applicable to the rest of the world population? How about we consider the fact that all of our body fat measurements are based off the gold standard of hydrostatic weighing which was derived from the dissection and chemical analysis of 3 white males before the 1950s. Go figure.

Again, I believe we are looking at trends. It is much easier to find PRECISION in a scale that removes human error than calipers which do not. We can agree that neither are accurate.

I am not out to attack you or any thing of that sort. This is a mere misunderstanding of what I was referring to as accurate.

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OK ladies,

I am going to start taking Carbolin 19 early in July (whenever I run out of HOT-ROX.) I gather that I need to obtain some thorough body composition statistics before proceeding. In the past I’ve primarily used the weight room and the mirror and secondarily the scale. So you say I need more. I will use my caliper, take pictures, record weights, and use the scale. Any other suggestions?

BFG

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Something that has me a bit concerned is the trend to begin a “bulking” diet at the same time of supplementation. I can boost my cals by 500+ per day and see a couple of pounds in a couple of days. Especially if I’m eating more carbos. In order to ascertain the benefit of Carbolin 19, ALL other variables should be kept constant. Changing the training, dietary intake, and adding other supps does nothing but skew the results and mislead others. Between more training volume or intensity, increased cals, and a potential placebo effect from the raw excitement, it’s hard to tell anything of any real value. The vast majority of you would be having these same results without the Carbolin 19. We’ve got to be consistent.

Best,
DH

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Good post…My entire nutrition and training regimen has remained static since starting Carbolin 19 8 weeks ago. At this point, it would take an objective body-comp analysis assessed against baseline to determine changes. In other words, it’s definitely a subtle progression. I do believe a lot of people posting feedback in the first four weeks were experiencing a psychosomatic response or misattributing perceived changes to Carbolin 19.

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I just thought I’d throw in, I was taking HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19 at the same time, with 4/4 HOT-ROX and 1/1 Carbolin 19. Well my HOT-ROX supply ran out, so I upped my Carbolin 19 to 1 in the morning 1 6-8 hours later and 1 6-8 hours after that.

So 3 tabs a day instead of 2. But the cool part, is after a month of 2 tabs, I noticed a little change, but after 2 weeks of 3 I can see a more rappid change.

But now I’m about to run out, the downside of a higher doseage.