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I am up 6 lbs. so for after about 3 weeks of Carbolin 19 use at 2 caps/day.

I tried to keep all variables the same- such as workouts and diet, but when I began the Carbolin 19 I got so crazy hungry that I could not stick to my previous p/c or p/f meals. For me, it was impossible to keep the diet the same. Another thing that I have noticed that nobody has talked about yet is an increased thirst. I probably drink an additional half gallon of water a day. Has anyone else experienced this increased thirst?

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The strange thing is Carbolin 19 is one of the few “supplements” that Ive taken and do not experience any side effects. Not increased appetite or anything. Im taken 4 a day (2 in the morning and 2 in the afternoon). Most other supplements Ive taken, (ephedra, yohimbe), I have to stop taking because it f’s with my body (nervousness, cant sleep, crashes, etc)…this is one of the few things Ive taken and its almost like not taken anything at all.

If it ends up being beneficial (physically), then it would definitely be something I could take on the regular.

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[quote]reddman wrote:
shaking head, wondering if I made a mistake posting anything yet

Let me try to clarify. I did not mean to imply I am seeing any outstanding results or patterns of change in my body I can directly attribute to Carbolin 19. I understand this is a marathon, not a sprint. The intent of my post was to see if anyone else is experiencing the appetite surge I am. Answers to TShaws questions:

TShaw wrote:
wufwugy,

I agree with you that the results posted so far seem incredible, based on what we’ve heard. In the original Carbolin 19 thread, however, we were cautioned that the results we read about from the study were an average. Therefore, some of the subjects in the study had results far less substantial than the average; and it stands to reason that some subjects had results far better than the average.

Who knows? Maybe there’s a small segment of the population that will experience wildly successful progress, even after a short span of time.

I wish the people posting these reports would tell us:

  1. What dosage are they using?

40mg (2 pills) a day in afternoon. I use Spike in morning along with Alpha Male.

  1. What is their caloric breakdown? (Hard to do when they don’t keep a food log.)

This is where I really question whether I should have posted in the first place. I have no hard data. My life is way too busy to be tracking a food log, not to mention I am not a highly organized person. I can only say that my appetite is just off the charts. I can eat a whole meal containing protein and carbs (that used to satisfy me for 2-3 hours), then 45 minutes later I am hungry again - and these are not small meals.

I have been filling in the new hunger voids with Grow! bars, usually two at a time. Since I lack any real data I was hoping to see if some other folks had the same experience as I, and also had the data to back it up.

  1. What their exercise regimen is. (I think that there would have to be greater opportunity for body comp change if you are working out heavily, even though the original study didn’t include organized and standardized exercise plans.)

I lift 3-4 days per week. Sunday 10x3 with three compound movements, Tuesday or Weds 5x5 with four compund movements, Thurs or Fri 3x8 with 5 compound movements. If I can fit a fourth day into the week I use it as a speed day, sort of my active recovery. I have been limiting my cardio to walking, occasional sprinting, and some BJJ at night 2-3x week.

If we knew more about these people posting great results after only 2-3 weeks, maybe we could start to hypothesize on the specific factors that help the Carbolin 19 process. Absent any hard data, however, I’d have to agree that it IS a little difficult to attribute their progress to “just” the addition of Carbolin 19 to their diet.

We need more data! (And I’m sure Cy and BAJ would agree.)

Since I started on Carbolin 19 I have gone from 191 to 194. I am about 5’11", 33 years old. I’d consider myself an average lifter - way ahead of most, but behind many of the folks that post here.

Carbolin 19 appealed to me as a way to add some lean muscle without going through cutting and bulking cycles. My experience with with these cycles has been negative - when I am bulking I get sick of eating, tend to cheat, and put on more weight in my mid section than anywhere else. Then I look in the mirror, get fed up, decide to cut, and lose the power I just gained. The back and forth drove me nuts.

This weight gain could be attributed to any number of factors and I have no way of directly attruting to Carbolin 19. I think the 3 lbs is statistically insignifant and could easily waver back and forth from week to week.

Sorry if my post mislead anyone to thinking I am concluding this a wonder drug that will change your life in 2 short weeks. Not my intention at all. Hope this clarifies my earlier post.

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Quick update, although probably not what many are looking for in terms of scientific data. I am now at 7 weeks on Carbolin 19. My weight is up another 3 lbs since my last post (about 5 weeks ago). In total I have gained 6 lbs since I started. Appetite has calmed down since those first couple of weeks but I’d still describe as elevated. No noticeable change in body comp, no huge change in strength beyond what I consider to be expected gains.

Overall I am surprised by Carbolin 19, but in a good way. I have gained 6 lbs without any gain in mid section fat. This is not what I was expecting, and is actually better.

I’d also note I had a back off week in my lifting about 2 weeks ago. A completely miserable experience I will save for a different thread.

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Just an update for those who may have wondered what happened to my contributions to this thread, which I so enthusiastically started. I said that I would update everyone on how Carbolin 19 helped me maintain my gains while on a 2-week vacation.

Let’s see. I aggrivated a recently rehabed deadlifting injury trying to run through the airport with 200lbs. of luggage. From there I managed 8 hours sleep for the first 4 days of the trip (don’t ask). Then I contracted some weird flu/virus/chest cold. I went through cold sweats for 3-5 days and literally couldn’t breathe for the entire trip. At one point I had to run up 9 flights of stairs and then back down again and I wound up on all fours gasping for air and hacking my lungs out.

The net result of my vacation was a 9lb. loss of bodyweight!

Here’s the somewhat good news. Even without lifting and without eating, only about 1/2 of the weight loss was lean body weight. My bodyfat percentage actually dropped. Especially that stubborn fat around my waist. My abs actually looked the best they have in a long time… But, my upper arm measurement stayed the same! This is incredible to me because when I lose weight the first place it goes is my biceps and my waist is usually last.

So, as a result of this vacation disaster I have concluded that Carbolin 19 can really help you maintain lean weight when dieting.

Any thoughts from the T-Mag staff on this?

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[quote]ConanSpeaks wrote:
Just an update for those who may have wondered what happened to my contributions to this thread, which I so enthusiastically started. I said that I would update everyone on how Carbolin 19 helped me maintain my gains while on a 2-week vacation.

Let’s see. I aggrivated a recently rehabed deadlifting injury trying to run through the airport with 200lbs. of luggage. From there I managed 8 hours sleep for the first 4 days of the trip (don’t ask). Then I contracted some weird flu/virus/chest cold. I went through cold sweats for 3-5 days and literally couldn’t breathe for the entire trip. At one point I had to run up 9 flights of stairs and then back down again and I wound up on all fours gasping for air and hacking my lungs out.

The net result of my vacation was a 9lb. loss of bodyweight!

Here’s the somewhat good news. Even without lifting and without eating, only about 1/2 of the weight loss was lean body weight. My bodyfat percentage actually dropped. Especially that stubborn fat around my waist. My abs actually looked the best they have in a long time… But, my upper arm measurement stayed the same! This is incredible to me because when I lose weight the first place it goes is my biceps and my waist is usually last.

So, as a result of this vacation disaster I have concluded that Carbolin 19 can really help you maintain lean weight when dieting.

Any thoughts from the T-Mag staff on this?[/quote]

This is what I would expect, given your situation and the anabolic effects of Carbolin 19, and of course the lipolytic activity as well.

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Reddman (and others) when you say you gained some lean muscle, what are your diets like? Ie are you eating at maitenence, or a little above?

Also, how many capsules are you taking, 2 or 4? I was taking 4, but went down to 3 (one in the morning, and two in the afternoon) just to spread it out and make it last.

Ive been taking them for about 3 weeks, dont have much to report, but also was practically starving myself (in attempts to cut)…now I am eating at maitenence.

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[quote]raymond333 wrote:
Reddman (and others) when you say you gained some lean muscle, what are your diets like? Ie are you eating at maitenence, or a little above?

Also, how many capsules are you taking, 2 or 4? I was taking 4, but went down to 3 (one in the morning, and two in the afternoon) just to spread it out and make it last.

Ive been taking them for about 3 weeks, dont have much to report, but also was practically starving myself (in attempts to cut)…now I am eating at maitenence.[/quote]

I am taking 2 per day in afternoon. I eat clean, been adding more fats to my diet lately, but I do not keep a food log. I am hardly the optimal person to be posting since I don’t track the hard data I know most are looking for.

Since starting Carbolin 19 I am hungry more often, and I am able to put more food away at each sitting. Most importantly to me I am gaining weight without gaining any mid section fat.

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Hi all,

I’ve just finished my 3rd week of Carbolin 19. One cap at 8am, one cap at 3pm.

Like the majority here I have had a massive increase in hunger. I have also added 20% to my bench press in the last 3 weeks. Which is in line with all the others here claiming strength gains.

I have a question for the scientific types, maybe Cy:

Is there any point in stacking Carbloin 19 with MAG-10?

My idea is that with Carbolin 19 giving a massive increase in hunger and strength, I can use MAG-10 to take advantage of all that extra food and bigger wieghts to build a lot of muscle. I often struggle to eat enough on MAG-10.

Will these drugs cancel each other out?

Also if I was to stack it, could I take MAG-10 and Carbolin 19 at the same time in the morning?

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[quote]Chris (NZ) wrote:
Hi all,

I’ve just finished my 3rd week of Carbolin 19. One cap at 8am, one cap at 3pm.

Like the majority here I have had a massive increase in hunger. I have also added 20% to my bench press in the last 3 weeks. Which is in line with all the others here claiming strength gains.

I have a question for the scientific types, maybe Cy:

Is there any point in stacking Carbloin 19 with MAG-10?

My idea is that with Carbolin 19 giving a massive increase in hunger and strength, I can use MAG-10 to take advantage of all that extra food and bigger wieghts to build a lot of muscle. I often struggle to eat enough on MAG-10.

Will these drugs cancel each other out?

Also if I was to stack it, could I take MAG-10 and Carbolin 19 at the same time in the morning?

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Chris,

One could use Carbolin 19 with MAG-10. While there was never any alteration in caloric intake in the clinical data, if you experienced an increase in appetite, that would make sense if you have trouble consuming enough calories.

They will not cancel one another out.

Taking Carbolin 19 and MAG-10 at the same time is fine.

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Thanks for the quick response. This site rocks!

Also freaky getting personal advice from you, awesome.

In my lay opinion, and in regards to what I am seeing as far as results, I believe this would be an awesome stack for me.

MAG-10 always gives me size gains, but nothing in strength.

Given your advice I will try it out, starting week after next. (That will be the end of 4 weeks on just Carbolin 19).

I will post my results. I have taken MAG-10 4 times before, so I believe I will be able to discern any difference.

Thank you.

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Cy,

I am 6’7" and 265 lbs. Can you suggest a Carbolin 19 dose recommendation? I assume that larger guys need a higher dose; is this correct?
BTW: I am currently following a HST training program, about 4 weeks in.

Many Thanks!!

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Cy,

I am 6’7" and 265 lbs. Can you suggest a Carbolin 19 dose recommendation? I assume that larger guys need a higher dose; is this correct?
BTW: I am currently following a HST training program, about 4 weeks in.

Many Thanks!![/quote]

Headhunter,

Many things affect what dose is needed from person to person. The individual, genetically based differences in xenobiotic metabolism alone can account for a great deal of difference, often explaining (and to some extent differences in target tissue) the classic case of why your 130 lb buddy can tolerate much higher doses than you at say 250 lb.

Bodyweight is a factor, but body surface area is probably a better factor to use. There are really so many things to consider (e.g., cardiac output, renal and hepatic function, age, etc.) but anyhow, I’ll put an end to the rambling. A caveat however, is that even with a higher body surface area, one shouldn’t automatically assume they need a higher dosage with any given compound in order to achieve a therapeutic or desired response.

Yes, considering your size, I’d probably go with the maximum recommended dosage of 4 capsules daily. I would, however, take a week to work myself up to that dosage. Start out with 1 capsule on the first day, 1 capsule twice daily on the next, continue that for another day, add in a third capsule, and continue for a couple of days and then go with 2 capsules, twice daily.

Hope this helps.

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I mainly lurk on here and don’t post. But I’d like to give some feedback after just finishing my 8th week on Carbolin 19. first 3 weeks took 1 pill twice daily. starting week 4 i took 3 pills/day, and after 4 weeks began taking 4 pills/day. other than my other staple supps (multi, bcaa’s, fish-oil, creatine), this is the only additional supplement i added. diet and training remained the same.

my max bench went from 375 to 385, squat remained at 505, and deadlift increased from 565 to 585 - bench is raw, and i only use a belt for the deads and squats.

now here’s the interesting part - bodyweight dropped from 225 to currently 220 (i am 6’2"), and i’m assuming it was mostly all fat as my strength has increased this entire 2 months, my clothes are MUCH looser around the waste, and I have more definition particularly around the abdomen. i recently pulled a trap muscle locking out that 585 deadlift, and am now in the process of recovery - so i plan on taking a week or two off. will be interesting to see how strong i am coming back (i plan to continue with the Carbolin 19 @ 4pills/day for the two weeks i’m off.

overall i really like the supplement - the gains are very gradual, but hopefully will continue. (interestingly, i haven’t really noticed much of an appetite increase while on this supplement, unlike many others who reported an appetite increase - i guess everyone responds differently)

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I will also add my two cents re: Carbolin 19’s effectiveness. I’ve been taking it since it was released, and haven’t altered my diet in any meaningful way. I was taking it 1 capsule 2x/day; a few weeks ago I shifted to 2 caps 2x/day. Changes were gradual, but I (and observers) agree that I’m hitting a peak in muscular definition that I haven’t shown before.

Sorry I have no definitive numbers to share. I wasn’t expecting to become a poster boy for Carbolin 19, but it’s recently become clear that SOMETHING I’m doing has caused sudden and noticeable progress. Carbolin 19 is the most obvious change in my routine.

Sign me “Pleasantly Surprised.” A friend decided to stop taking it, and this past weekend gave me a one-third-full bottle and offered me an unopened bottle; I was happy to reimburse her!

In fact, for awhile I was planning a MAG-10 cycle in July, because I thought progress had stalled. I’ve decided to forego it because the progress I’m making right now is so substantial!

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I am at about 6 weeks and I am still putting on weight, although at a slower pace. I am up about 10 lbs while still fitting into my same jeans. This is a great product. There is no way this is merely a placebo effect.

I can’t believe more people aren’t posting results and getting excited about this product. The thing that makes me the most excited is the prospect of making even slow steady gains over time. I turn 40 tomorrow and am very pleased that I am able to make gains like this.

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I think just like any supplement, everyone responds differently. After three bottles of Carbolin, I’ve had no noticeable gains in body comp, weight, strength or pump. I’m happy others have experienced such great results but disappointed in results for me. I can’t afford to keep buying it in hopes that changes will happen.

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I’ll be getting my Carbolin 19 by the end of the week and will start using it in a couple weeks when I start the Westside for Skinny Bastards program.

Quick question though (I’d rather ask here than pay a doc $65 for the same answer) - I have a delta 6-desaturase deficiency that I take fish oil supplements for. Will Carbolin 19 have the same transient effect of lowering BP as it would for a person w/ normal delta 6-desaturase production?

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[quote]Panther1015 wrote:
I’ll be getting my Carbolin 19 by the end of the week and will start using it in a couple weeks when I start the Westside for Skinny Bastards program.

Quick question though (I’d rather ask here than pay a doc $65 for the same answer) - I have a delta 6-desaturase deficiency that I take fish oil supplements for. Will Carbolin 19 have the same transient effect of lowering BP as it would for a person w/ normal delta 6-desaturase production?[/quote]

I’m not a substitute for a consultation with your physician. Having said that, I don’t see any reason why that particular, potential effect, would be any different in you versus another person. Certainly, I don’t see any reason why it would be exacerbated.

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Question(s) for Cy.

I was planning to start my Carbolin 19 after a 3 month Methoxy-7 phase. Is there any need to wait or would it be a waste of money to stack these two? I am aiming to “peak” in mid August. Perhaps I have already waited too long…

I have gotten noticably harder on the Methoxy-7, and my weight has not changed. Very pleased with that. (lately a few newbies at the at the gym have even asked me if I was a personal trainer!)

Lastly, is it advisable to cycle supps like Methoxy-7 & Carbolin 19, meaning does the down time make your body more responsive to the next cycle?

Thanks for Methoxy-7, I hope I am equally impressed with Carbolin 19.

Eric

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[quote]eric_lacrosse wrote:
Question(s) for Cy.

I was planning to start my Carbolin 19 after a 3 month Methoxy-7 phase. Is there any need to wait or would it be a waste of money to stack these two? I am aiming to “peak” in mid August. Perhaps I have already waited too long…

I have gotten noticably harder on the Methoxy-7, and my weight has not changed. Very pleased with that. (lately a few newbies at the at the gym have even asked me if I was a personal trainer!)

Lastly, is it advisable to cycle supps like Methoxy-7 & Carbolin 19, meaning does the down time make your body more responsive to the next cycle?

Thanks for Methoxy-7, I hope I am equally impressed with Carbolin 19.

Eric
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Eric,

Using Methoxy-7 and Carbolin 19 concurrently is fine and will at the very least, be expected to have additive effects upon gains. Now, in your case, though, if you’re wanting to discern which effects are from which supplement, you’re probably better off using each separately.

With Methoxy-7 and Carbolin 19, specifically, down-regulation of activity isn’t expected over time. There’s really no need to take a break in hopes that it will provide greater or equal gains the next time around. Having said that, I think it’s a good idea to take a break from any supplement for around 2-3 weeks after you’ve been using it for 12 weeks.

Hope this helps.